Any idea why those people do that?   

I posted an image that is absolute crap - seriously and someone comes along and says "very cool image"  - um, not really...

I mean if he would have posted lol, that would make sense, but ....

Maybe I am just being a crab apple about it, I don't know - but it has annoyed me since the first image I posted and I got those kinds of responses.    I mean I can make a bet right here and now, that I can upload another image of a dirty diaper and this same person will come along and say "very cool image"  another one will come and say "EXCELLENT WORK"  yet another will add "very nice _____ work"

Why do they do it anyway?  Someone enlighten me so that I can understand this strange purpose and not get so annoyed by it.  Are they just renderosity bots implemented to make me think I don't suck?

Some folks don't know how to critique work without coming across rudely I suppose. So the next best thing is to say nice things even when they don't mean it.  I tell folks "go take an art course, you'll learn the art of critique"  It's never fun to hear the down sides to your work but when someone follows it up with advice or ideas that may help you improve it then it's worth hearing (reading) it!

If you upload an image of a dirty diaper - I for one will definitely tell you that it is a "crappy" image ! LOL

I would rather hear constructive criticism rather than compliments (though they are very much appreciated) on my images as well. I also appreciate the fact that someone took the time to actually stop and post something at all :biggrin:

Hmmm... I suppose, in a sense, I do something that might look similar.....  some of what I see I would, from personal preferences and tastes, be a "pass", for me. However, this does not mean that I don't recognise the work that went into, say, the lighting, or the postwork..... I think that I should point out that I don't do that... say it's excellent ... unless I think so. Some things are "hereditary" with Poser... the elbow fold, and armpits for example. You can't tick someone off for that unless you know they can actually fix it.
  Maybe a detailed critique would be more to the point. BTW.... I still laugh over the mental image of "a flashlight up the nostrils".  Some haven't quite conquered that yet. Lou.

Com'on folks, tell her the truth.

We get points for each complimentary post, debits for each criticism, and double debits for looking without commenting. When your CP points reach ten million, you get nothing. When your double debits reach above your knee, you get ten more. If the artist complains about your critical posts (also known as CP points), they are multiplied by seventeen and subtracted from your other CP score until the total resulting value is divisible by 641, at which point all the images in your gallery are reduced to thumbnails, all your thumbnails are stripped of their clothing, and you are... ready? BANNED!!!

It's pretty intuitive common sense anybody would agree to, if you just think about it. Don't be expecting to see what your current CP score (CCPS) is, though. That would be telling.

Mick

That's the reason the "Critique Group" was formed because of people geting tired of the gushy praise for the sake of comments and hopefully garning a recipricol view of their gallery type comments.

Some people go through the gallery and comment on everything and everything...good or bad, with gushing praise comments, in the hopes that the person will have a look at their gallery and leave comments. It's their way of establishing a "network" to generate views anc comments.

I know when I was a co-ordinator and did my gallery day, that I frequently saw the same members leaving what had to be copy/paste comments on practically every image uploaded. 

I'd rather have 5 views and  5 really meaningful, honest comments than 1000 views and 200 fake ones. However, not everyone is like that. Many seem to measure their worth based on their popularity in the gallery. Not all... but many do.

When I view an image in the gallery of someone who is not a member of the "Critique Group", I spend time looking at the image, but will only comment if I really feel that the image has moved me in some way.

If the image has done nothing for me except give me the "pretty image" feeling without anything emotional attached to it, then I won't comment. Same goes for images that I find trashy or just plain awful. 

I will however always comment on someone's very first gallery upload in order to give them encouragement and let them know that they are doing well for a first upload. I will let them know what I like about the image and offer them suggestions on ways that they can improve it. Simply said... I treat them as members of the "critique group" and give them honest feed back, but in a more subtle way.

Some people just do the "carpet bombing" with clone comments I guess, without actually looking a the image but in hopes that the artist commented will comment back or even give a rate :) Simple, isn't it? Browsing the galleries daily I already know most of these copy/paste texts by heart LOL

Quote - Some people just do the "carpet bombing" with clone comments I guess, without actually looking a the image but in hopes that the artist commented will comment back or even give a rate :) Simple, isn't it? Browsing the galleries daily I already know most of these copy/paste texts by heart LOL

haha, me too. Especially the ones with cute little symbols and all kinds of huggy wuggys going on,  lol

there are some excellent images in the galleries here. my estimate would be approx. 1% of them are excellent. what bugs me is when one of the tubers posts a photoshopped version of a photo from a porno site, and the peanut gallery chimes in with their usual kudos. o.k., so they allow tubers to post stuff here, but how could anybody be fooled into praising it? I reckon they never lose any sleep about underestimating the intelligence of the audience. :lol:

I took a look at the image and compaired to dozens of other poser-pictures It doens't look that crappy to me, I agree that it isn't finished and needs some approvemen but it has something. Perhaps it wasn't what you had in mind, but sometimes even unfinished pictures can have quality: just take a look a all the sketches of Rembrandt or Leonardo da Vinci. For the artist they were just studies but today they are worth thousands of dollars.

Best regards,

Bopperthijs.

Quote - That's the reason the "Critique Group" was formed because of people geting tired of the gushy praise for the sake of comments and hopefully garning a recipricol view of their gallery type comments.

Some people go through the gallery and comment on everything and everything...good or bad, with gushing praise comments, in the hopes that the person will have a look at their gallery and leave comments. It's their way of establishing a "network" to generate views anc comments.

I'd rather have 5 views and  5 really meaningful, honest comments than 1000 views and 200 fake ones. However, not everyone is like that. Many seem to measure their worth based on their popularity in the gallery. Not all... but many do.

When I view an image in the gallery of someone who is not a member of the "Critique Group", I spend time looking at the image, but will only comment if I really feel that the image has moved me in some way.

I will however always comment on someone's very first gallery upload in order to give them encouragement and let them know that they are doing well for a first upload. I will let them know what I like about the image and offer them suggestions on ways that they can improve it. Simply said... I treat them as members of the "critique group" and give them honest feed back, but in a more subtle way.

Fair!

I'm just getting back into Poser and CGI, so feel a bit of a newbie. But I was here at Renderosity back in 2000, so not that new maybe :)

I remember (a few years back) when I posted my first post to a 'community' I really did want feedback, if only to feel part of that community.  I believe it is very important to communicate (feedback) but not all of us are artists, experts, or even if we are, we are not necessarily good at imparting critique.  I did find, however,  that the most annoying thing was being 'marked down' without explanation. 

This is a great community with an unbelievable amount of talent. Talent, which over the years I have seen ploughed right back into the community.

Just remember that tomorrow's experts, are todays newbies, who without our support, may never evolve to move us all forward.

Yeah, critique group, yeah, definately awsome. Excellent idea!

Gary

I have to agree with everything said. I would like to add that as a newbie, I have only been doing poser for 1 year, that as nice as it is to hear good job,,,,, I would rather hear how to improve. I once had a lady that sent me a site mail to give me some tips on how to improve an image. I had no idea how to do what she suggested although i wanted to try. She was kind enough to link me to a great tutorial. I learned a lot out of that simple gesture and my work has improved thanks to her. I asked why she did it that way and she said she didnt want to embarrass me or have something that hurt my feelings in public.

Quote - Any idea why those people do that?   

Why do they do it anyway?  Someone enlighten me so that I can understand this strange purpose and not get so annoyed by it.  Are they just renderosity bots implemented to make me think I don't suck?

Perhaps it is just a form of Applause!

Not critique + or -

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Then there are the few who do make honest criticisms of work.  

The artist will then request that the forum moderator removes the offending comment.

All the friends of the artist who see the comment before it is removed rush over to the infidels gallery and post rude and nasty comments on any images they may have uploaded, regardless of the quality, as payback for him/her hurting their poor artist friends feelings.

The exception, of course, being those artists in the Critique Group who truly want help to improve their talent

It could also be that they are trying to encourage an artist that they feel is just beginning. Fragile egos of newbies need sometimes to be encouraged and not slamed down, so that may be it?? If so, that's nice and not a bad thing at all.

I compliment - even if it is for any of these reasons is always appreciated.  This is different and I must be expressing myself poorly.  

To describe - it is as if a man walks up to a red headed woman and says GEE I LOVE your blonde hair.  Then proceeds to walk up to every other man woman and say GEE I LOVE your blonde hair.   After 5000 or so ppl the statement becomes meaningless and random ppl start to wonder if the man has lost his mind and is absent mindedly mumbling.

I appreciate the compliments where the people actually looked.  But there are 3 to my knowledge who I am SURE aren't even glancing.

I think the word your looking for is troll. Everyone gets one sooner or later. Just have a laught at them. Quite often they don't have a gallery to look at. They just want to feel superior than someone else at the moment.

The bright side of it is, quite often it works to your benefit.

Perhaps you're thinking non-english speaker? One congratulatory line translated in babelfish per day. Er, of course, I have seen individuals that seem to be english speakers do it as well....

jjroland - Very cool post, excellent work, bravo, hugs!!!!!
Yeah, we see alot of this on here. People just post a comment without really looking so you'll go & give them a comment on one of theirs. Don't worry about it. At the end of the day all that matters is that you are happy with your work & take any critique which helps us to improve.

"very cool image"  - um, not really...

That is a troll remark. I don't think even Babelfish could translate that wrong.

Okay... Not my favorite culprits. I doubt it's trolling, people just need to have something to say.  The image was pretty ... um, interesting, but it also made me giggle. And raised all sorts of questions...

Did he strip her clothes off first in retalliation? Did she disrobe to appease him? Have you downloaded Apollo's clothes?

I´m afraid this is the result of the art-charts. So many users have begun to post stock-comments with copy and paste to each image that is showen as new in the gallery. When I have begun here, they where happy with 20 comments, but now they are in the need for 100 that they are showen in the top of "most commented images", and they are in the need for many new favorites to climb in the top of art-charts. 
So they are post about 200 comments dayly with the hope to get 50 back. 

For me, I don´t like to write the 85th comment under an image as I know, nobody will read it really.

If you want to read some real comments and critiques to your works, join the critique group!! ;-)

Maybe someone really liked your work even though you hated it. When I was a Poser beginner, everyon'e stuff looked fabulous to me because I couldn't do it. I hated Andy Warhol, yet he was famous and a millionaire.

Quote - I compliment - even if it is for any of these reasons is always appreciated.  This is different and I must be expressing myself poorly.  

To describe - it is as if a man walks up to a red headed woman and says GEE I LOVE your blonde hair.  Then proceeds to walk up to every other man woman and say GEE I LOVE your blonde hair.   After 5000 or so ppl the statement becomes meaningless and random ppl start to wonder if the man has lost his mind and is absent mindedly mumbling.

I appreciate the compliments where the people actually looked.  But there are 3 to my knowledge who I am SURE aren't even glancing.

@jjroland: GEE I LOVE your blonde hair! :lol:

Ok, actually I kinda hate blonde hair, but sometimes I leave some sort of praise without criticism on some images.
Sometimes I do it simply to let the artist know I looked at the image. That's btw, always a good looking, not a quick glance.Sometimes I don't feel like looking up the right english words to express my critic about an image.
And sometimes it even happens that an image is really good and I like it on an technical and emotional level. That happens maybe once a year but there won't be much negative criticism about this work then.
Since the fixes, if I know how to do them are often pretty long text and or illustrations, I do that via PM. If the artist states exactly what he want's to improve it is easy to write about this specific issue. If the artists says "all kind of comments are welcome" then I'm often to lazy to write about everything that I can see in a picture.

Kalon:  LOL, yes I just got his clothes installed today, I must not have installed them before.  Now he is happily wearing a pair of jeans and may very well help her back up ; )

Excellent thread SUPER
BEST THREAD EVER!!

:p pjz

Quote - Why do they do it anyway?  Someone enlighten me so that I can understand this strange purpose and not get so annoyed by it.  Are they just renderosity bots implemented to make me think I don't suck?

Sometimes people like to let you know that they looked at your image, even if they are at loss for more profound words at the moment, or maybe don't have the time or the inclination to comment or analyze in more depth. Perhaps they thought it may make you feel good for a minute to know they liked what you did, even if your work wasn't much more 'profound' then perhaps their comment.  
So someone thought your omage was worth giving you a little pat on the back , it's not such a bad thing. It is just one or two or three comments from fellow artists of very varying graphic and verbal abilities and knowledge, not a "great job" here's an oscar for a work that didn't deserve it.

oh, and .....  GROUP HUUUUGG   XOXOXOXOXOXOXO
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Some people may just take the time to leave a comment on pics that others have looked at and ignored hoping to encourage the poster to keep on trying and showing improvement. Try not to let a tiny comment annoy you so much.

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Really cool comments everyone, fantastic!!
Now let's get this thread to the top of the 'thread of the week charts'!!
I think I may have at some point made a comment on a picture which may have sounded like I didn't really pay attention but I assure you that I only leave comments when I think the artist has portrayed something to me, whether it be overall good imagery or some cool render, lighting effects etc. It's not always the best artists which produce the best pictures. Also, what stands out as a good piece to one person might be garbage to someone else. I still look at the art charts because there is some outstanding work there, but It has been ridiculous when you see a piece of work up there with so many nonsense comments just because of the 'friends' situation. OK, there are more important things in the world to be annoyed about but it does ruin the charts becasue I'm sure there are lots of  really good work out there which just doesn't get the appreciation it deserves, because they're not in the friends club.
Sorry, my Sunday rant is over, LOL!!

jjroland, I actually really think your work is very good.  I would have posted great composition, which I still might.  Sharen

But if you think your image is terrible, why post it...?

Probably like me, like many of us, to get independent, objective feedback on how to improve.  A little ego fluffing is nice, sure, but I'd really rather get good constructive criticism and suggestions on how to improve my work.

I don't very often venture into the galleries & almost never post a comment, it's not worth the emails & pms full of insults that it'll generate if I'm honest in my comment.

The overall praise of everything was the reason I never loaded anything up here. I started uploading pictures when I joined the critique group, because the comments there are helpfull. But the overall tone in the gallery is strange. Everything is "great" "marvelous" etc. I already feel impolite if I do not say "great work" or something like that - but seriously, I would never have said that to your testing image.

But the people do it here that way. Post a picture here, and get praised. On other 3d-communities the standards are much higher. But I think the most people here like it this way.  I only comment pictures from the critique group, because I do not want be a spoiler. "Great picture" here just means "I was here, come to me too".

""But if you think your image is terrible, why post it...?""

Hehe I still think a few people are missing my point - ah well.

I posted the terrible image because it was comical.  It made me giggle a bit, and I figured there were others who had the same trouble as I did that night so they would understand the humor in it.  It was just very far from a "spectacular piece of artwork".

Again Im not referring to 90% of people who come by and say "hey that's pretty good".  I am referring to the THREE people who post the exact same comment on every single image posted on renderosity EVERY SINGLE day.  If when you comment your wording varies than I was not referring to you.  If you do not comment on every single image that has EVER been uploaded to renderosity or even 90% of them, then I was not referring to you.

I hope that has cleared it up some ; )

OT - anyone else ever feel like renderosity is translating thier posts to chinese after they hit "Post Reply"?  ...

I'm beginning to think there's a secret setting in the comments box that translates complex criticisms like "using the standard lighting is a very bad idea" into a standard "great work" comment. It's only when something truly hideous pops into the gallery that this practice becomes noticable to the less observant viewers ;)

Your latest pic is funny, horrible but funny ;)

Quote - OT - anyone else ever feel like renderosity is translating thier posts to chinese after they hit "Post Reply"?

有什麼使你覺得呢?

*"What's with the "excellent work!" in the galleries?"
*It's because at Renderosity everything works the other way around. Crappy images get lot's of views, good ones don't. Crappy images get the excellent remarks, good images get no remarks or this sucks one.....

If you try to against the flow and upset this system, Renderosity will cease to exsist.

I have an idea!
... we should get the attention of the people whom make numreous and mindless gallery remarks and direct them to those whom on occasion complain about getting no remarks...
Rhe rendolibrium will be restore and complaints will stop!

pinch 
ouch    :blink:
Shhhhh! 
Don't bug me, I was was having an awesome dream.... :blink: :blink:

OK, Ithoght you were complaining because someone said, Not really. That was your comment. Sounds like you should join that critique group and you may be happy with thier comments.

Maybe the person the said excellent, thought it was funny too.

jjroland, I get what you're saying!

I too wondered for a long time if there was some Renderosity ebot that handed out some praise to artists to make them feel like someone had stopped by.

I especially was starting to wonder this when I saw the exact same comments on a number of images I was looking at.

The first time I ran into this, I figured, I would go and chekc out this busy art lover's gallery and see what they had to show.

And, voila, no gallery!!

Yep, it does seem mighty suspicious.  Somoone with no gallery leaving gazilions of nice remarks (well, the same one or two copy and pasted) all over.

This does really disprove the whole "trying to get popular" theory and does support the "automatic flatter" hypothosis.

But, as of late, these individuals haven't been stopping by my gallery with their nice comments.  So I now feel left out.

If someone wonders around complimenting everyone on their "nice blonde hair", but walks past you without saying anything, what does that say!? lol.

TrommArcadia

That you've arrived!

They've now wondered on to discover the next big hai.. I mean talent...

Can I get your autograph?

lol

"OK, Ithoght you were complaining because someone said, Not really. That was your comment. Sounds like you should join that critique group and you may be happy with thier comments.

Maybe the person the said excellent, thought it was funny too.""

I doubt it beryld - I'm quite confident that the person I'm referring to didn't even see my image.  I did join the critique group - = ).  Attempting to explain this has become - slightly redundant imo so Im going to give up now , those who were going to understand my point already have, those who weren't never will so - I wont go into another blonde hair definition again lol.

That was supose to be a sarcastic comment that you  missed. No blonde definition needed as you so put it.

That "blonde hair definition" was actually funny. :D

I tend to look at things this way: people can say whatever they want to say -- much, little, or in-between.  If I open up an image for comments, then so long as those comments don't violate the TOS -- the commentators have total freedom of gallery speech.

If someone wishes to indicate that they find an image -- ANY image -- to be 'excellent'.........then that's their business.  They are free to say what they think.

Whether or not the image actually is 'excellent' is another matter.  But they can still say that it is, if they like.

BTW - this is another one of those perennial forum subjects.  It's almost as common of a forum topic as "Excellent!" comments are in the gallery.  I wonder why people are always posting stuff like that?

excellent thread, well done

Oh, yeah......I should add that if someone wants to take the time to post a long-winded, in-depth critque of the image, then that's their business, too.

It's all a matter of personal liberty.  I can't say other people's words for them.  They control their own keyboards.