I was making a cute kid pic for my daughter, and I realized there is hardly anything for the millennium preschoolers or Matt and Maddie. I also have Rosie Cheeks Lina. Not much for her. Aiko has taken over the faes. I would love to see some realistic textures for the preschoolers. The only ones I know of are by Zeta Studios. The little kids seem to be ignored. Why is that?

Sadly I think it's because people are scared of being branded as perverts if they do use them publicly.

I mean use them in all their cute clothes, not naked!

I have a similar view to Lucifer, with all the warnings and stuff, peeps are prolly staying away from them even in clothed situations!
OTOH it could be as you said, there's not really a great deal of stuff available for them either!
That said, it's a sad state of affairs!

it is sad. People complain about all the naked Vickies. Make something else and there are so many cute kids. I can't sit at my PC very long because of my knee (horse accident) and so I have been redownloading stuff to make pics for my daughter who is majoring in Japanese. I got Tenten from Yamato, used Steffyzz eyes to get a dark brown (preschoolers seem to be an all-in-on texture map) and storytime dress by Yamato and Lucrezia hair. Nothing perverted about this. People are paranoid. I suppose Rosy Cheeks Lina is not safe, either.

I use them all the time, I do kid pics mostly.  Wish there were more morphs for the preschoolers.  I use Capsces Litl Uns alot.

Quote - I mean use them in all their cute clothes, not naked!

Even clothed there is a stigma attached to their use these days, it's a real shame as they are decent enough figures but with the recent developments in Portugal you can understand why everyone is nervous of having anything to do with kids in any form.

It's more dangerous for us fellas to use the kid figures than it is for the ladies.

I just don't have any interest in producing child imagery or any use for it, although if I did I wouldn't be all that worried about properly clothed stuff.

I think it's mainly due to the fact that people would rather work with characters that have the WOW factor, thus using V3, V4 & Aiko would stand out more to the people browsing the galleries. I imagine when people make images of faes etc they use A3 because even though she can look realistic she still has that fantasy appearance which would probably be harder with the preschoolers.

I used to use Kiki alot (along with Capsces Posey) but again, there are very few clothes for her either. My daughter had made a cute outfit for her (Spankie Wear), but it has been moved to the clearance section of the store and will soon disapear all together.  I'd venture to say that will happen to a lot of things for the kids also.   I would use the kids, but by the time you buy the characters, textures, clothing and clothing textures (Mada has made some cute things) it all adds up to more than I want to spend on them.  :crying:

having a live-in granddaughter, I have all the cuteness I can handle..;)

The idea that people are "afraid to use the kids" is pretty funny. The only reason to be afraid is the unspoken assumption that the Poser world is essentially a world of macho fantasy, soft core porn, and erotica. The "home" community of Poser is just that, and eFrontier and DAZ have catered to that market (go where the money is) for years. (No one ever did take my challenge to compare the vertices per square inch of Miki's perineum vs. her ear.) However, people who actually use Poser for things outside the Temple of Nearly Unimaginable Upper Naughty Bits have no reason to be afraid. Oddly enough, most people looking at a human figure do not immediately wonder if it has a fully detailed crotch. I've used the kids in cartoons and illustrations. RDNA runs a very lucrative-seeming market in plushie kids and dolls that have, to my jaded but limited imagination, no use as erotica.

There are props available to support the things little kids do -- playgrounds, bicycles, and so forth. I remember seeing lots of stuff, some of it free, at PlanIt3d, for example. I'm pretty sure there are similar clothing offers there and elsewhere. Not at R'osity, necessarily, where they would interfere with the hawking of g-strings, Las Vegas-style "goddess" and "princess" getups, catsuits, discipline paddles, Axes of Mayhem and light sabres. The kids' wardrobes are limited because there's no money to be made selling clothes for them.  However, Wardrobe Wizard will downsize other clothes to fit them. Texturing them shouldn't be all that demanding, since one wouldn't need exotic tattoos, pubic hair, 42nd Street makeup, or authentic bruises....

M

This has always been a good question about using the Preschoolers.  No one makes things for them and all I see is V4 stuff in the market place.  IF only I knew how to make textures and model clothes. :tt2:
Adrian

Additionally the majority of the male users is simply not interrested,Me either.The first thing I do with a new Poser release is :throw out the kids.Sorry for this macho-thing ;) .The main topic in my runtime is Heros ,Babes and Villians.( At least since Lara croft we learnd that also Babes can be Heros too).So no time and space for the kids.

Yeah, no one wants to use the kids however, there seems to be a never ending supply of morphs and textures to make the Vickies look under age go figure. It's a cruel cycle, no one uses the kids much 'cause there is little support for them in the way fo textures and clothing yet, no one makes a lot of textures, clothing, etc 'cause no one uses them. In the poser world the kids have always been treated like red headed step children. (No offense to red heads I'm married to one..LOL).

I think the majority of people who draw/paint/render humans tend to use models who are in their age range (by which I mean, child, teenager, young adult, adult, or elder - to borrow life stages from the Sims!)

I remember drawing kids when I was a kid, and my little boy draws children, but the only adults he draws (and the only ones I drew) are people he knows (me, his Dad, etc) or "fan art" like Doctor Who. 

This tendency to not use the kids is then reinforced by their not having much clothing/textures available - a bit of a vicious circle.

Aside from the toon/fairy stuff, when I see an image here using a child figure, it's very often used in some sort of "social commentary" situation - a child begging, or sleeping rough; a child in fear of an adult; being bullied or excluded; etc. Often I see artists producing this kind of work as a catharsis for their own childhood pain (or that of loved ones), or to "speak out" on a particular issue.

Speaking for myself, I produce that kind of work so rarely that I won't buy clothing for the kids because I can't justify spending money on something I'll only use once, if ever.

Notice how drifterlee said she was making a cute kid pic - for her daughter? She has 674 images in her gallery but until now she never realised how small the market for kid stuff is :-)

I think there are many reasons people don't include children in their images. Some people have no intrest in including children in their images (i.e. 'heros and babes' as stated above), some don't because of lack of support (not enought to put on them), some have moved to other galleries because of the restrictions here (i.e. people who create fairy images may create no fairy images but still not post them here).

that said, about half of the images i have posted include a child figure. more than half of what i produce includes a child figure but many can't or won't be posted here for various reasons. I think many of my images do stand out from the rest because i am using child figures.

  Semi-OT.... So, if someone made clothes for them, it would be useful? Age range from, say 3-7? ... the reason I ask, is that I'm about to start work on a truckload of  clothing.... all ages, but primarily for a midevil setting... it's fantasy... but I think some of it could easily be modded to modern. On the side.... one of my most cherished memories, is of my daughter ready to go out into the snow, looking, for all the world like a balloon. Lou.

Quote -   Semi-OT.... So, if someone made clothes for them, it would be useful? Age range from, say 3-7? ... the reason I ask, is that I'm about to start work on a truckload of  clothing.... all ages, but primarily for a midevil setting... it's fantasy... but I think some of it could easily be modded to modern. On the side.... one of my most cherished memories, is of my daughter ready to go out into the snow, looking, for all the world like a balloon. Lou.

Yes, in my opinion it would be useful.  People here are always wondering how they can make money with their Poser art and I'm here to tell you that there is a market for art for children.

Quote - My daughter had made a cute outfit for her (Spankie Wear), but it has been moved to the clearance section of the store and will soon disapear all together. 

Isn't there an option in the merchant settings that allow you to remove your item from clearance?  If not, there should be. Forcing an item out of the store like that is positively disgusting!!!!!!!!

Quote - > Quote - My daughter had made a cute outfit for her (Spankie Wear), but it has been moved to the clearance section of the store and will soon disapear all together. 

Isn't there an option in the merchant settings that allow you to remove your item from clearance?  If not, there should be. Forcing an item out of the store like that is positively disgusting!!!!!!!!

No there is not that option.  You can remove it from clearance, but then it's just out of the store anyway.

  Thank you, Rockets, then I'll do that, then...... it'll be a little while before I'm fully set up for the clothes... I'll announce when I start posting them. Lou.

Well, if you look at Hallmark cards and illustrations in children's books, I would think there would be a market for illustrations of cute children. I understand what Pakled says about a live-in granddaughter being cute enough for him - I had and still do not have any interest in the teenagers because I had two at home and now that they're are in their '20's they still act like teens. I had no desire to render teenagers, LOL!  Has anyone ever sold any Poser illustrations for books? I would think children's books would be a good market to try to break into to.
PS What happened in Portugal????

Methinks they just don't draw as much attention as pinups do.

I know for one that past getting familiar with the genre, I'm not going to be creating a lot of pinups...   
Maybe some kid stuff may be a good thing for me to model and experiment wit that niche.

There just doesn't seem to be much interest in the kids.  DAZ never even made a basic clothing pack for them.  Plus, there is the whole sexual angle.  DAZ won't even allow nipples on "child" textures (even though you can use the same textures with adult figures). 

The MilGirls had a lot of stuff, but most of it was fairy clothing and such.  A lot of it was pretty adult and sexy, and I think people just aren't comfortable with that any more.

I would buy stuff for the kids, but I'm more interested in fantasy or historical than in contemporary clothing. 

Picker's Angel has made some really cute clothes for the kids.  And PoserFashion.net has some nice historical dresses for Laura.

Kids?  As others have already expressed: the subject just isn't an interest.  I'd have more use for the teenage figures (like Laura) morphed up to look older than the default.  But not for the kids -- unless perhaps if they're morphed into gnomes or little monsters or some such -- in which case they aren't children.

And BTW - regardless of what others have stated, it's a fact that in today's world -- any adult male who specializes in producing art which features children -- even children of the fully-clothed, 'cute' variety -- will instantly fall under suspicion.  One wonders how some of Norman Rockwell's old paintings would have been interpreted in today's climate.  Or how the Coppertone girl would be regarded......I doubt that such an advertising icon would come fresh on the scene today.  Although Coppertone still uses her, surprisingly.

It's just the way that things are in the current era.  In many ways: children have become positively  radioactive.  And a climate of paranoia tends to make everyone paranoid. 

So......if it's a subject of no particular interest to begin with (as in my case).....then it's best just to avoid them altogether.  I've never purchased the Matt & Maddie figures from DAZ.  So I'm not likely to be buying clothes and accessories for them.  I do have Luke and Laura.  But I almost never use them, either.

However: if someone comes up with a good gnome or dwarf character based on the pre-school figures, and I happen to have a use for them -- then I might consider it.

I wouldn't say there's no interests in children.  for about 2 months or so, I had children in all my pictures, and they generated a nice number of comments and a couple of them products a nice number of hits and a pic of the week over and Pros.  So from my experience kids pics rank around the same numbers as any non-half naked woman pic.

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Isn't there an option in the merchant settings that allow you to remove your item from clearance?  If not, there should be. Forcing an item out of the store like that is positively disgusting!!!!!!!!

A product goes into clearence and then if doesn't make a sale it gets deleted, if it makes a sale or five it still stays in clearence.

So, all those niche products - like clothes for the children - that you had wishlisted for future projects suddenly disappear into the ether.  I would suggest that if you feel strongly about it that you post somewhere where the Store Admin can see it - maybe the Marketplace Forum or email the store.

I don't use the kids because although I look at cute and quite like cute I can't produce cute and I do like playing with my grown up girlies.  I'm not particularily maternal either and I can't abide being around other people's children - I start remembering The Omen for some reason and get uneasy ;o)

Oh, I wasn't saying that there's no interest in children's images coming from anyone -- just that there's no particular interest from me.  And I suspect that's the case with most adult males.  Unless if the pictures happen to be of a birthday party or Christmas pics, etc. of the man's own family.  Then he might be interested.  Otherwise, you are much more likely to see women being interested in cute kid pictures than you are men.

Quote - Oh, I wasn't saying that there's no interest in children's images coming from anyone -- just that there's no particular interest from me.  And I suspect that's the case with most adult males.  Unless if the pictures happen to be of a birthday party or Christmas pics, etc. of the man's own family.  Then he might be interested.  Otherwise, you are much more likely to see women being interested in cute kid pictures than you are men.

 
You make a very good point there.  lol. before I had children, I didn't do any kids pictues.  and truthfully aside from doing pics of my kids, I probably wouldn't do any kids pictures. 

BTW - screaming / crying kids in public annoy me.  It can ruin an otherwise excellent restaurant meal -- or at other public places.

CopperTone still uses that little girl, but her butt is all covered up now.  The dog is still pulling at her bikini bottom, but it's not slipping nearly as much as it used to. 

When I was a kid, I remember loving Faeries, by Brian Froud and Alan Lee.  I actually bought the book, and it was wicked expensive, given my $1 a week allowance.  But I wouldn't dare post images like that these days. 

I'd still be interested in stuff for the kids.  I like doing illos for fantasy stories, and the characters in such books are often children or adolescents. 

I just bought several wonderful pose sets for Matt and Maddie that also work with the Daz millenium preschoolers in the clearance plus maddie Party time dress and some textures. I now have plenty with freebies and such. I have Rosie Cheeks for my daughter. My daughter just moved out from home to be near college and she loves anything Japanese and anime, so I am making her some cute pics for her bedroom. I'm female, married, with two grown daughters, so if pictures of cute kids fully dressed in party dresses offends some right-winger, nutcase, then they can haul me off to jail. Here in the US, they put people in prison for years for looking at naked kids - not just porn. It is sick, but years? My neighbor embezzled $30,000 from some doctors she worked for and this was her fourth offense. She forged checks. She got probation, no jail time, and did not have to pay the money back because the doctors sued the bank that cashed the forged checks and won. Now is that justice?

I still love using children. But Daz bought out Maddie and etc, then never has backed them up with enough clothes. One thing I found is Maddie can wear Matts clothes, which shorts and tops look more like the girls do today.

Turtle, you are about the only artist that does use them. And wonderfully so, I might add!!!

Quote - I just bought several wonderful pose sets for Matt and Maddie that also work with the Daz millenium preschoolers in the clearance plus maddie Party time dress and some textures. I now have plenty with freebies and such. I have Rosie Cheeks for my daughter. My daughter just moved out from home to be near college and she loves anything Japanese and anime, so I am making her some cute pics for her bedroom. I'm female, married, with two grown daughters, so if pictures of cute kids fully dressed in party dresses offends some right-winger, nutcase, then they can haul me off to jail. Here in the US, they put people in prison for years for looking at naked kids - not just porn. It is sick, but years? My neighbor embezzled $30,000 from some doctors she worked for and this was her fourth offense. She forged checks. She got probation, no jail time, and did not have to pay the money back because the doctors sued the bank that cashed the forged checks and won. Now is that justice?

I consider what happened in the O.J. Simpson case to be an utter travesty of justice, too.  And I heard a statistic a number of years ago which said that the average convicted 1st-degree murderer in the US spends 4.5 years in prison for their crime.  Are those things justice?  No.

I've known of people having the book thrown at them for relatively minor crimes -- and I've seen cases where people walked off scott-free on some technicality after commiting a major crime.  I'm not even mentioning the huge percentage of serious crimes which are never solved.  This current world isn't a just one.  So these things happen; and these things will happen.

As far as "some right-winger" getting upset about lurid pictures of children -- there are plenty of persons who are solidly on the political left with exactly the same approach to the issue.  And, personally, I'll never apologize for being opposed to such images.  Right-wing status and all.

However: these days, we've lost our innocence as a culture.  I'll admit to it.  There it is.  And that's the core reason why the Coppertone girl wasn't a problem 50 years ago: and that's why she is a problem today.  Our own attitudes have driven us to extremes.  What was innocent in a former era -- isn't innocent today.
If someone sees a 35-year-old man standing near a public playground, watching the kids play -- that observer is likely going to wonder what that 35-year-old man is doing there.  And these days, unfortunately: it's with good reason.

Sure: we've gone too far the other way.  But we've painted ourselves into that crazy corner by our own actions and choices.

So lock the kids up, away out of sight -- and don't let them out into society at large until they're 18.

Well I just reinstalled all my kiddie stuff after reading this thread LOL. So you might see some kiddie piccies from me soon I haven't done any in a long while.

If anyone has the MilGirls, I have a couple of textures for the storytime party dress in my freebie section, they were some of the first freebies I ever made so they are a bit basic.

I actually think the Mil Girl are nicer than Maddie & Laura, & they seem to have some cuter morphs, especially those by Thorne & Sarsa, & HandspanStudios. I especially love the Meagan Morph by HandspanStudios, she is so cute, & is one of my favourites. I used it in this piccie - Lost In The Forest

Well, as said above, I use mostly the preschool kids, and adore them all.  Sharen

I'm working on one now using a modified Tenten PS. I am so sick of Vicky right now.

Well, better make room in that jail for me too, 'cuz I'm about to buy Matt & Maddie. I plan to inflict upon them all sorts of horrors, such as having Snape for a parent -- unlike Harry, he won't let them stuff themselves sick on Chocolate frogs. Which of course makes him a "mean ol' Daddy". ;-p  And when they're all done playing wizards, I'll send 'em off to a galaxy far, far away, where they can be Junior Jedi. Or alien monsters. Whatever.

But with clothes on. Assuming I can find any, that is.

Thanks Mada! I already downloaded them!

One thing I like about the Millennium Girl pre-teen is that she's flat-chested.  This makes her look younger than Laura, so she fills an age gap in the generation 3 line. 

I wish they'd given Laura a "chest flat" morph, though.  That would make her considerably more versatile. Yes, you can do it with magnets, but if they'd made it a standard morph, it would be a lot easier. 

i have a ton of stuff for the milgirls(old figures) they have morph and texture compatability with my vicki1/2 figure so that makes both very good as far as i'm concerned. check thornes textures for realistic, and hunt out stuff for v1/2 ... 
most people tend to use the newest figure on the market the most as there popular at the time.
all the old ones stuff get replaced with the updated versions. very sad:(
netta

ps. do you need something in particular? IM me.
i'll see what i can come up with for ya from my readmes

Mada, Thank you for the free monthy surprize"s. :O)
I do like the old Ps girl. Maddie has a pea head, it is way to small for a child. Maybe I ought to dust off some of the old girls. 
I always had such fun with them.
Akio is so popular and has tons of clothes. But I don't like her. 
I refuse to buy those morphs from RDNA for the Poser People. I have a little of V4, but mostly so I can do my promo work.
I have cut back on buying, because I was spending way too much, and I realized one day, I haven't even used half what I've bought.
I love the clothes you make Mada and I have bought those for V4. Your Team has a lot of Magic Talent.
If you have your little Fairys and children in clothes, the forum will not give you any problems.
I hope to have some fun with the rest of you. :O)

The best photo-real textures for the original Millenium kids are a www.zs3d.com Breath Generation kids. Also, Zeta's Yoda is good. Most of the old mill kids have one texture for everything, including their eyes. Zeta makes seperate mats for the eyes.

A Yoda for MilKids there is? Where?

Your right, zs3d has the best textures for them and for other figures, she is a master.  Sharen

StephyZz used to have yazoo/yoda kids set here, but try their website.

I simply don't care for the models. They seem crude, unfinished and completely out of proportion, especially the hands, heads, and feet. I believe this holds true for every Poser format child character released to date. I don't suppose the situation will improve unless Antom decides to release something in this age group. His eye for human proportions is superb.