1. Import into FaceShop. Whe drawing the curves, use the extra lines to draw the bootm of the upper lip and the top of the lower lip as shown

1. This will separate the lips on your mesh like this

1. Here's the final render back in Poser (or Studio).
   Laslo

To: FaceShop users and prospects.

As you can see yourself, a moderator removed all but one images from the above thread which was meant to explain how to create an open lipped smile with FaceShop.

Since I am continually being censored and harrassed by this moderator, I will not be able to provide effective tech support in this forum. I very much regret this.
The above tip (open lipped smile) and many other tips and trick can be viewed at http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=60617&highlight=faceshop

I very much enjoyed the interaction with members of this forum.
Thanks for your support,
Laslo

Sorry to hear you felt unable to follow the rules of the forum, Laslo.
Also sorry to hear you feel that me doing my job in applying those rules is harassment.

Cheerio.

Laslo,

You may need to re read the TOS and forum headers so you can understand what is allowed and where things need to be posted.

Karen is doing her job and it would not be fair to all the other members and vendors to allow you to do something that they can't do. That is not harrassment, its simply a matter of understanding the Terms of Service and what the specific forums are designed for.

You could have helped the members on the open lipped smile by using a photo you had taken yourself or had permission to use if that was your intent of the postings and that would have been fine.

Stacey,

I understand the copyright issue. I asked her to remove the original photo, but not to remove everything. Clearly, the screenshots (with lines painted on them) and the final render were not falling under the copyright issue, as they did not present the original image but rather screenshots (similar to you taking picture of your living room with your TV showing a celeb).

I think that Karen has taken on herself to be the arbiter of what's allowable and what not. She also accused me of posting "thinly veiled" commercials in this forum.
The point is, I am discouraged and hindered in providing quality support for the more than 2,000 FaceShop users in these pages. I don't think they will thank Karen for that.
Laslo

Laslo,

The public forum isn't the place to discuss your problem with the guidelines enforcement as I'm sure you are aware.

I will be sending you communications explaining in more detail the guidelines that apply to ALL vendors/members. 

Here we go again. 

I've been considering Renderosity a place where one can express artistic freedom, a home away from home -- basically the ONLY website I've been visiting on daily basis...

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

I normally agree that the TOS are to be respected absolutely and the moderators decision is final (like an umpire in a sport), but I have to say (and I don't even own this faceshop software) that I have been really interested to see it working, and I actually saw the deleted post and thought it was really informative and useful. I guess there's nothing to stop it going in the product showcase forum though, but I think it's more relevant to the poser forum. To me it's like if there was some aspect of poser that wasn't easy to master, and someone from EF turned up and helped people with it then that would be a godd thing for the poser forum. It is a poser tool even though it didn't come with the original poser softare, perhaps it should have. Love esther

Laslo's feedback on FaceShop has been immensely appreciated by all users of this piece of software. Sorry to hear that he is taking his posting elsewhere....:sad:

Hi Esther,

The post was deleted because laslo posted a photo which he didn't have the rights to use. Not because it was commercial.

oh. but hasn't everyone been playing with images they don't own on the faceshop forums? i mean if you're not selling the render does it matter? if people didn't want my 3 year old to cut up their pictures and paste them into a scrap book then show all her friends they shouldn't have published their faces in a magazine anyway. is it different to sketching a famous person after viewing images of them? love esther

I believe that a non-profit renderition of a famous person, even a one using a photo of that person as a point of reference (be it for texture or pose) should be allowed.

It would be different if I were to sell a character pack with textures based on a photo I didn't take and didn't obtain rights for.

However, if we're dealing with the non-profit images, images done for the sole purpose of art or gratification to the famous face -- than such images should be allowed.

I remember that the U.S. law is based on precedences. Having said that: shouldn't we wait for the occurance of such precedence? That is, wait for a person (with the rights to the photos) to issue a warning? And then act?

The first image shows how Brad morphs Simon (since Simon looks a lot like Brad, it is hard to see the difference at 0.7 setting). The nose is broader and the chin is slightly different.

with another face, James G1, you can more clearly see the morph effects (at 0.87 setting).
Laslo

Attached Link: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/sinatramug1.html

Attached Link: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/barkleymug1.html

Attached Link: http://www.mugshots.com/Celebrity/Fatty+Arbuckle.htm

Attached Link: http://andyfarnsworth.blogspot.com/2006/01/rogues-gallery.html

Attached Link: http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/exhibits/panam/law/trial/policerpt.html

For this dirt program I paid 60 $.
A bad investment as rare in my life.

Attached Link: http://www.mugshots.com/Historical/Mark+Rudd.htm

Attached Link: http://www.mugshots.com/Celebrity/Paul+Reubens.htm

Is this the horror-picture-show?

Quote - I'd like to see how the results of FaceShop compares with the Photo Lineup feature of the Poser versions that have it.  Could someone who has both post the results taken from the same photograph.  Photo Line upallows for using a mug shot - front view and profile view. I don't know if FaceShop does.  Attached is a render from using Photo Lineup on a digital photograph of myself (front view only).

Ok, I will post the results later today
Laslo

Quote - For this dirt program I paid 60 $.
A bad investment as rare in my life.

I want to refund your money (I offered it earlier), if you have not already used your 30-day free refund. As there are over 2,000 people who can work with the program, I can accept that there are  a few exceptions, such as yourself.
I want to give you your money as, frankly, I am sick of your comments.
Laslo

I have bought the program from DAZ - and not from you.
I have written up DAZ half-dozen times to cancel the order - without getting an answer.
This is a business practice, for it one would be prosecuted in Germany criminal...

Great. Now you are calling DAZ criminal:-)
Just adds to your credibility, my German friend...

Did it occur to you that over the years thousands of people have been getting their refund from DAZ without problem (just as thousands are using FaceShop without problem), all, except you.
You must be truly special....
Laslo

They must live probably on another star.
Then you should look around once round the appropriate forums...

Quote - Great. Now you are calling DAZ criminal:-)
Just adds to your credibility, my German friend...

Did it occur to you that over the years thousands of people have been getting their refund from DAZ without problem (just as thousands are using FaceShop without problem), all, except you.
You must be truly special....
Laslo

and I have to say.. thats just condesending and insulting.
if thats how you treat customers then personally I won't be buying your product.

That's fine - suit yourself. No one has to like me.
This person has been insulting me/my software (and now DAZ) forever. And for what? 
So guess what? I am not someone who will take this laying down...
Laslo

hmm and so you abuse them and insult them in a public forum? it's not about liking. it's about customer service. remember t adage : the customer is always right. which means if the customer is acting unreasonably... it does not matter. you act in a polite cilvilised way and ehtier resolve the problem or wait till they go away. breaking down and abusing them only makes you look bad to other customers.

So, I guess calling DAZ (or me by connection) criminal is OK - it must be all part of customerr service.
Don't you lecture me about customer service! - I am here for the customers 24x7 (many of my customers can attest to this).
I will - repeat - not stand for unsubstantiated abuse, especially when it is free to anyoneone to get full refund for any product they buy. I stand 100% behind my product and I expect respect, professionalism in return. If you read his/her earlier postings, you will agree that they are not factual, not professional, just plain bad behavior.
Laslo

I will do what I like as will you and if I want to lecture you I will. I am within in the TOS of this site.

you tell me not to lecture you yet you sit there and abuse a customer, in public? who's in the wrong? not me.

My comments and advice stand. deal with it  and ehtier act on your problems dealing with customers or just plain shut up.

good bye. we won't be talking again.

Despite all shouting, a bad product remains a bad product.
And a company, it not considers necessary 7 e-mails with a cancellation to answer is criminal.

Attached Link: http://www.mugshots.com/Criminal/Sex%20Offenders/Debra+Lafave.htm

I have got several refunds from DAZ over the years  on one e-mail in far less then 48 hours always, even when the refund was for a purchase that was my error only... good karma I guess :)

Yes, these unique pictures are the proof, the software are unique.

You know, its rather depressing going through a whole bunch of mugshots.

Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com/i.x/contact/contact_form/-/?

Did you send DAZ an email or did you use the contact form?

You have to use the contact form to get help.  :o)

Quote - Despite all shouting, a bad product remains a bad product.
And a company, it not considers necessary 7 e-mails with a cancellation to answer is criminal.

Yes! That is the dream of each Poser-users to be able to produce such a thing. 
The V4 as new figure in madame Tussauds horror-cabinet.

One little question among all the image deletions in fear of violating and all: So what will Rendo do about all the Angelina Jolie likenesses in the marketplace? A celebrity owns the copyright to his or her own face, and if enough likeness can be proved, you'd be in a hell of a lot of trouble. Same goes for the Croft outfits, same goes for the catwoman outfits, and all the generic... shall we say"inspired by" stuff. So how come you're hardlining on non-commercial fan art whilst you're still SELLING likenesses in the marketplace? ~s

... there nothing will happen - there count other rules. 

There it is about money...

They're both about money. But only one may show a RoI ~s

In this forum there is a thread from about two ago that starts with a screen shot from a TV show, logo imprint included, no problem it seems although the person posting it did not indicate they had lisensed the image. They were not using the image for educational, jurnalistic, critical or parody as described in Fair Use, it was just a simple case of someone reproducing and publishing an image in violation of copyright law. However, the forum mods don't seem to have a problem with that.

As a person that has worked in customer service for 12 years, I daresay that Laslo does need to learn how to respond better to complains.

I've dealt with those complaints including once that accuse my company of illegal activities... You CANNOT respond by being insulting or rude. That just lends credance to the accusations and does more to damage your reputation as a merchant than one person griping because they filed for a refund DURING A US HOLIDAY...

Which bring me to HeRe:

Standard response time is 24-48 hrs on a Contact form HeRe, Plus you contacted the site during a week where there was a major federal holiday in the middle of the week. You are being HIGHLY unreasonable and insulting and need to display some patience.

Laslo, based on your poor customer service skills, I will not purchase your product. If you actions are to abuse the customers that generate revenue, then you can obviously do without my money. A pity really, had you tried to be reasonable, you might have gotten more customers.