I requested a reset on a purchase nearly a week ago at DAZ, and fortunately I found the missing EXE while I've been waiting without so much as an autoresponse. DAZ response times are unpredictable and, to put it tactfully, subjective. Like Lazlo, they seem to have a bit of trouble understanding how companies need to interact with their customers; unlike him, they cover that lack of understanding with a thick frosting of car lot niceness.

It's grand that so many folks have good luck with DAZ. I do think HeRe is being a bit unreasonable to expect rapid response during a time when they have been buried in sale traffic, but it's also true that I got screwed over so many times trying to recoup my Hex investment after Eovia sold out that when 2.2 was announced and I discovered that DAZ had lost my ownership records again, I gave up, bought a PC month, and got another license.

M

Woot is this shit...I have to email them to get my License Number...Arg I hate this kind of shit.

oh well mabye things is so bad now of days that it's nessasery to do it this way but dame I would have loved to play with face shop pro this weekend :(

LOL was a bit fast...I just got my Licence only had to wait 30 min...not that bad :)

Hello Everyone,
I thought I'd post my page here with my latest creations (using FaceShop Pro, Poser and Photoshop). I'm also attaching an image, but if it doesn't appear here, just go to my page link. I try to update my site whenever I've created something new. Since July has turned into "Harry Potter" month, I thought it'd be great to dedicate some works to them. I'm a big fan, and am looking forward to both the movie and the last book!

My Page with characters:
http://www.salterdesign.com/Studio/Poser_Characters.htm

See you all soon!
minx

[Edited to remove copyrighted image]

spinner,

as noted several times, the issue is about unlicensed use of copyrighted materials. Celebrity likeness is a whole other kettle of fish. We do not market celebrity lookeylikeys here.

Momodot, please site mail me a link to the thread in question since I cannot find the one you are talking about.

And if anyone else posts a copyright photo in this thread, I'm just going to lock the thread.

Thanks for your co-operation

Hi Spinner,
Sorry, my bad, I wasn't thinking. My stuff is meant to be fan-art not marketing. Just wanted to show how the software was being used.
minx

@ds91202 --

I think that you are getting Karen and spinner confused with each other -- Karen was addressing spinner, not claiming that she was spinner.  :biggrin:

Xenophon2, Ooops! That's what i get for trying to  read thru this too fast. Yup, I did mean to address my post to Karen. Since, it went through, I assume she saw it.
--minx

No worries :o)

"Celebrity likeness is a whole other kettle of fish. We do not market celebrity lookeylikeys here." Thank you for clearing that up. I am sure I am imagining things when I see items like this: (The links are from promo images for celebrities and store promos, and should hence come under fair use) Catwoman looks zip like: PussyCat Angelina Jolie never inspired character packs like these - and of course, the text mentions nothing about inspiration... Lara Lara for Vickie: Kate Moss never inspired the set below: Kate for v3: Jeri Ryan Of course, Voyager Knightslooks nothing like her. I have an issue with what is being said, not the merchants. ~s

Quote - Celebrity likeness is a whole other kettle of fish. We do not market celebrity lookeylikeys here.

Oh really now. You don't? So, if I go look, I'll find say... not a single Jeri Ryan clone in the etire RMP, huh? http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=36000&vendor=29647 Uh huh. Yeppers. You betcha. :)

Ummm... could you define "market", while we're at it, karen? :) http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=34533&vendor=29647 I'm not sure that word means what you seem to think it means...

If you have a problem with the examples above, please take it to the MP admins. Cheers.

I don't have an issue with the examples - I have an issue with what you said about no celebrity lookalikes in the RMP, because obviously, those are lookalikes, some of the advertising copy even states so. Cheers, ~s

Quote - If you have a problem with the examples above, please take it to the MP admins. Cheers.

Not having a problem with the examples, karen. I was pointing out that your flat statement was a falsehood: Evidentally you do market celebrity lookeylikeys here at the RMP. Now, I'm not thinking you were lying per se. Lying is such a harsh word. :) I just figured you disremembered due to the forgetfulness that comes from having alzheimer's set in from you bein' the Senior Marketplace Tester an' all.

My grandmother has Alzheimer's, Sherman, but I reckon I have another 50 or so years to go before I start suffering the terrible and depressing symptoms of that disease.

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None of the examples given above are marketed as lookeylikeys. Some of the advertising copy states that they are inspired by "celebrities". All of them have been run past the marketplace admins and found acceptable.

No doubt -- all 5,494 of the members who are currently online are VERY concerned about this issue.

sigh  It's just one more example of the total incompetence of Renderosity's management & business planning.  They obviously don't have a clue about how to run a website properly.

Oops......I meant to say 5,540.  No doubt it'll be 7,000 in a bit.

Say.....has anyone checked out the marquee at Times Square lately?

Karen - allow me to quote Merriam Webster at you: "Pronunciation: 'mär-k&-ti[ng] Function: noun 1 a : the act or process of selling or purchasing in a market b : the process or technique of promoting, selling, and distributing a product or service" A celebrity has an instant recognition factor due to their face, or a concept due to a specific outfit, i.e catwoman. Renderosity provides a sales-channel for digital copies, or rather, likenesses of said people and concepts. Wouldn't you concur that by the above, neutral, American definition, Renderosity does in fact sell/market lookalikes? Some of these products have been put in the newsletter - does that not constitute making potential purchasers aware of a product, and that that product would sell exactly because of that likeness? ~s

Hi Spinner,

Wouldn't you concur that by the above, neutral, American definition, Renderosity does in fact sell/market lookalikes?*

No, I wouldn't. But you're welcome to your opinon

I wouldn't dream of asking anyone to have one, dear, but thank you for trying. Could you please elaborate on why you do not concur? ~s

Asking anyone to have one what?

Could you please elaborate on why you do not concur?

Certainly, dear.

I used "marketing" in the sense of "to advertise or promote something to a specific audience or revolving around one particular facet of the product."
For example: Cigarettes were once marketed to women as appetite supressants.

So to reiterate: we do not market any of the above products as celebrity lookeylikeys.

Quote - I reckon I have another 50 or so years to go before I start suffering the terrible and depressing symptoms of that disease.

That leaves less flattering excuses for your behavior, then. ;] > Quote - None of the examples given above are marketed as lookeylikeys.

When in doubt, hairsplit innaccurately? :) They're recognizeably "lookeylikeys" - celebrity lookalikes - wether they're labeled as such or not. You sell them, you provide advertising services for them - vendors banners, peripheral benefits of Renderosity marketing, front page exposure, newsletter exposure - you market them. As a brokerage, you market them on consignment in exchange for a percentage of revenue. > Quote - Some of the advertising copy states that they are inspired by "celebrities".

Gives the RMP a loophole for profiting off of Jeri Ryan's and Michelle Pfeiffer's likenesses without actually acknowledging that you're doing so up front. > Quote - All of them have been run past the marketplace admins and found acceptable.

Which is Rendo corpospeak for: "We think our transparent 'inspired by' dodge covers us legally from liability if Jeri Ryan happens to notice" and "The decision was made above me so I'm not to blame". snicker - - - - - -

You made a blatantly false statement. And got called on it, with examples that it was false. Next you'll lock the thread rather than choke out a simple "It's possible I was mistaken"? ;)

Sherman, I'm hardly going to say "I was mistaken" when I'm not, am I now?

Your opinion, and your interpretation of "marketing" clearly differs to mine. That doesn't make me a liar, no more than it makes you an irritating little man with the manners and social grace of a rabid skunk.

Now I'm off to get me tea and watch Casualty. Toodle pip.

ooooh! Insults! When all else fails - throw an insult and go have something better to do. Karen - You know extremely well what we're reacting to; To compare Renderosity's facilitation of celebrity lookalikes to the marketing techniques of the tobacco industry in the first half of the previous century is creative, but far fetched. I've yet to see a Lara Croft ripoff being marketed as a slimming device for overwrought and overweight hausfraus - but the lookalikes have references to their originator in their copy - and what else is ad-copy but a marketing or sales-device? And it's beside the point. The entire issue is that it's a paradox that rendo has become hysterical on image posting in threads, even if it's a promo image - promos exist with the sole purpose of being propagated, getting the face or product out there, especially when in most cases fair use applies. But hey - we're all concurring that we're entitled to our opinions, and that we're clearly in disagreement on this. That doesn't make me a bad person, or you an incompetent twat with the legal skills of a flea-infested camel. I'm off to watch some cult-film and drink some more tea myself - ta-ta for now. ~s

is it time for the cat pictures yet ?

As long as they're copyrighted by you, I think. But that raises the question whether the feline is ok with it ;-) ~s

Yeah, was wondering that. Just how do I get Monty Puss to sign a Model Release Form anyway? Plus, he's under 18, so does that make me a purveyor of kitty porn? His favorite pose is anything but modest.

Attached Link: Be afraid, be very afraid

snicker I'm not certain that was fair to camels, spin.

Quote - That doesn't make me a liar

Actually, it does. And I do have the manners and social grace of a rabid skunk when dealing with someone like you. I'm quite happy with that. ;] Kinda hard to insult me with "annoying", when I work at being so, and "little" when it's inaccurate. Your site does "market" celebrity likenesses, in multiple senses of the word "market". That makes your statements false, and your subsequent spinning of that makes you a liar. You may be safe in gambling that Pfeiffer and Ryan aren't likely to visit the RMP and that Renderosity won't have to explain their definitions of marketing to their representatives. Fortunate.

"an irritating little man with the manners and social grace of a rabid skunk"

I seem to remember members for being banned for less insulting personal attacks than that.

--Rebekah--

*edited for typo

Quote - Yeah, was wondering that. Just how do I get Monty Puss to sign a Model Release Form anyway? Plus, he's under 18, so does that make me a purveyor of kitty porn? His favorite pose is anything but modest.

Technically I suppose you are his legal guardian so you can sign the release on his behalf

I would just like to point out that Ironbear cannot be a rabid skunk.

'Cos I'm one and he's never at the meetings.  :)

I just looooooooooove watching the inutile concatenation of cacaceous efluvia.

Quote - Sherman, I'm hardly going to say "I was mistaken" when I'm not, am I now?

Your opinion, and your interpretation of "marketing" clearly differs to mine.

Question is, will your (or the PTB's) opinion keep Rendo's butt out of a sling if said celebs decide to litigate? Not the safest (or sanest) way to run a biz, is it? /P

Quote - Karen - allow me to quote Merriam Webster at you: "Pronunciation: 'mär-k&-ti[ng] ... Wouldn't you concur that by the above, neutral, American definition,

Maybe some of us were unaware that only American dictionaries have neutral definitions, certainly came as news to me. So I guess your extension that your making sexist comments, and joking about mentally debilitating deseases, are okay because you're an American? It's fine to provoke someone who's giving up her time to try and make these forums a friendly place for all, until she's finally had enough of you?

Frankly I'd have said a lot worse to you than she did.

Quote - Here we go again. 

I've been considering Renderosity a place where one can express artistic freedom, a home away from home -- basically the ONLY website I've been visiting on daily basis...

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

No offense but...........where have YOU been? Rosity hasn't been a place where one can express artistic freedom(or any other freedom for that matter) for YEARS!

Pay attention now. This will scoot on by you like Scooter LIbby if you don't.  Take a careful look:
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=36000&

In no place here does it say "Jeri Ryan," or "celebrity lookalike."  The most it says is "CGI Personalities Series," CGI meaning Computer Generated Image.  Meaning that the computer generated it and that the images obtained were not from a photograph that needed licensing. The only place where the assignment of the images to Jeri Ryan is taking place is in the mind  of the beholder of the image. No where else is that assignment taking place.

When I was buying my first house, I told my lawyer that I had X amount of dollars in my bank account to make the down payment. And my lawyer said "So, you represent that you have X dollars in your bank account for the purpose of making the down payment."  And I said "Uhhh... yes."

In law, everything is a representation.  In no place in the above ad is it represented that the CGI image is that of Jeri Ryan.  A representation other than that may take place in the mind of a beholder, or purchaser, but that has nothing to do with the representations made in the ad.
The makers of the ad have no control over what representions another party may make.

Furthermore, there is some subjectivity in various representations about the ad's images. Some who have watched Star Trek Voyager may  represent that the image is of Jeri Ryan. Some who have ever seen the series may represent that the image "sort of" looks like Jeri Ryan. While someone in a culture where blond women are rare may represent that the image is of a US Embassy secretary they saw crossing the street the other day. Representations are very subjective things, which is why lawyers always translate assertions people make into "representations."

I represent that the problems we have been having on this thread is due to the fact that some people have been using photographs for which they had no license, while also representing that the images they've made are those of a named celebrity.  The ads do not do either of those things. So what the ads are doing, and what has been done on this thread, are two different things.

I do not have a problem with what the ads are doing, except that the buyer of one of those images may be the one who runs into trouble if he or she uses it in such a way as to represent who the image is susposed to be.

"You come in here with a head full of mush and you leave thinking like a lawyer."
Professor Kingsfield, The Paper Chase (1973)
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - Henry VI (Act IV, Scene II)

Quote - > Quote - Here we go again. 

I've been considering Renderosity a place where one can express artistic freedom, a home away from home -- basically the ONLY website I've been visiting on daily basis...

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

 

No offense but...........where have YOU been? Rosity hasn't been a place where one can express artistic freedom(or any other freedom for that matter) for YEARS!

Renderosity is a website situated in a country where freedoms are being whittled away day by day and it's just trying to stay legal. If you're an American, it's no problem, you have a ballot box where you can change the government. Same goes for Denmark, incidentally! 

Quote - If you have a problem with the examples above, please take it to the MP admins. Cheers.

Snicker.............BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Bear, yep it didn't mean what she thought it meant. :) Damn thats funny

Quote - > Quote - If you have a problem with the examples above, please take it to the MP admins. Cheers.

 

Snicker.............BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Bear, yep it didn't mean what she thought it meant. :) Damn thats funny

Woot! Amazing! So you just made a fool out of a woman 4000 miles away, who's trying to be helpful in the middle of the night, god I'm impressed.

Fundamantally I have no problem with Rendo selling celeb-type images that may or may not resemble know people. In either case it is an "artist impression' and as such protected as much as an oil painting or statue is.
The issue here is that this moderator applies her censorship selectively, i.e it is OK for Rendo to do things but God forbid it is not OK for other artists and vendors.
In regard to the intolerant tone, same comment: I was lectured that I was not "customer friendly" for taking offense in some comments; now who is not "customer friendly", I may ask... It seems that Karen was found guilty on the same account.
I was tempted to place an image alongside with these comments but frankly I am horrified to do it. I think Rendo should mellow out and not be so intimidating or militant about things:-)
As a substitute, here are some amazing celeb lookalikes (the best so far!!!!):
http://www.salterdesign.com/Studio/Poser_Characters.htm

Laslo

Quote - Sherman, I'm hardly going to say "I was mistaken" when I'm not, am I now?

Your opinion, and your interpretation of "marketing" clearly differs to mine. That doesn't make me a liar, no more than it makes you an irritating little man with the manners and social grace of a rabid skunk.

Now I'm off to get me tea and watch Casualty. Toodle pip.

Gee, that sounds like a TOS violation Karen......you know personal attack? Breaking your own Vaunted TOS while holding everyone else to the rules seems somewhat............hmmmmmm whats that word? Oh yes, Cowardly.

Actually what Karen said, repeatedly, to you Laslo was simply that you couldn't post images here for which you didn't have the copyright. Really that simple, the other stuff in your post relates to other peoples comments.

Quote - Now I'm off to get me tea and watch Casualty. Toodle pip.

Gee, that sounds like a TOS violation Karen......you know personal attack? Breaking your own Vaunted TOS while holding everyone else to the rules seems somewhat............hmmmmmm whats that word? Oh yes, Cowardly.

I would guess she went to bed a long time ago, it's 1 am here in the UK. If you want to boost your ego any further I'd try another site. Not that I'd give you much chance of success.

Quote - > Quote - Karen - allow me to quote Merriam Webster at you: "Pronunciation: 'mär-k&-ti[ng] ... Wouldn't you concur that by the above, neutral, American definition,

 

Maybe some of us were unaware that only American dictionaries have neutral definitions, certainly came as news to me. So I guess your extension that your making sexist comments, and joking about mentally debilitating deseases, are okay because you're an American? It's fine to provoke someone who's giving up her time to try and make these forums a friendly place for all, until she's finally had enough of you?

Frankly I'd have said a lot worse to you than she did.

Yes, and "making the forums a friendly place for all" is the most important thing isn't it? Not discussing the issues, not hammering out agreements or freely communicating ideas, but making this the stepford site.That's the most important thing isn't it? Oh and why DON'T you say a lot worse? Oh thats right........your not ALLOWED to. Snicker

Quote - Actually what Karen said, repeatedly, to you Laslo was simply that you couldn't post images here for which you didn't have the copyright. Really that simple, the other stuff in your post relates to other peoples comments.

Um, I'm not Laslo. Might want to get your quotes right.