"...Revolutionary New Layering System Can Add Real Depth And Cool Effects To Your Renders..."

...unfortunately for Vue users, it isn't YET available for Vue...maybe at some point later down the road, perhaps.

BUT- if you are interested in doing commercial 3D illustration projects and enjoy post-working your 3D renders in software like Photoshop, this is a MUST HAVE new piece of EFX software. And it's available at an amazingly LOW price! (Currently on Sale).

It's MOOD MASTER by Dreamlight... and currently it requires DAZ STUDIO to use...
If you plan to use it, make sure you download version 1.5 of Daz Studio.. do NOT use
any other version! Delete all old DS versions from your computer!!!

...I KNOW- I sound like a late-night TV commercial (...Become a Real estate Millionaire in just 5 easy steps! Call NOW! ...Tone those ABS with POWER-ROD...heh!...Great product name used by Bow-Flex...)

Anyway- this software DOES DELIVER, and there IS a possible Vue tie-in- either in post-work composition, and/or if Mood Master creator Waldemar Belwon gets around to creating a Vue version- which I would think would NOT be TOO DIFFICULT for him...

I have long avoided using Daz Studio because there was nothing there that I couldn't do MUCH better in Poser or Vue, but MM with LDP finally gives DS a professional feature that is REALLY WORTH USING! ...LDP is "Light Dome Pro" and is a companion piece of lighting software that is also totally worth getting to go with MM. They make a nice professional grade EFX package.

If nothing else, the Dreamlight package and tutorials ALONE are a fantastic education into the professional world of 3D lighting and scene compositing- using this package shows you how the Pro's do it in Hollywood movies. The control you have in multi-layer compositing is
really fantastic and you can see your scene in dozens of different ways in "real-time" and get exactly the effects you want without huge long re-renders.

Vue, since at least version 5, has been "multi-layer" render ready for compositing work. Yet, to my knowledge, I haven't seen ANYONE post any tutorials on using Multi-Pass rendering. And especially no one making such an EASY TO USE piece of 3D EFX software like Dreamight has...

Mood Master makes "standard" 3D scenes become really  3D with deep MOODY lighting efx. All those great and cheap Platinum Club DAZ Redhouse props suddenly look FANTASTICALLY FRAZETTA-LIKE once you have set up a Mood Master render.
And it's WAY FASTER than a "deep atmospheric render" such as in Vue, Bryce, Terragen, etc...

Can't say enough about how much this new product has "Re-Inthused" me about 3D
renders using Photoshop compositing...

heh!- now if DAZ will just have a big Stonemason sale again- I'm ready to buy all the other Stonemason props that I never bought previously. 

-Mood Master really MAKES IT HAPPEN! One of the BEST pieces of software I've ever purchased and delivers exactly what is promised!

Even if you Do NOT want to buy or use the software- check out Dreamlight's On-Line Tutorials- they explain in great detail how the products work- he gives out LOTS of great info that ANYONE can use in ANY 3D software. Waldemar Belwon, creator of these EFX packages, lives in Sweden and normally does a lot of PRO work using Lightwave. He also has a version for Lightwave...

His HOME website...

http://www.dream-lounge.com/dreamlight/home.htm

His DAZ store...

http://www.daz3d.com/i.x/shop/artistlist/-/?artist=257762&

MMMmmm  should be moved to Daz DS forum...

Agreed :)

I would think Vue's native abilities would far surpass what mood master could do for DS...

...I've used Vue since version 2 and I haven't seen anything in Vue work as fast as the way they work using Dreamlight's packages. That's because they are OPTIMIZED by a Pro who really knows what he is doing...

Sure- while Vue has the capabilities for doing great multi-pass renders, there isn't any package out there like Dreamlight's at an AMAZINGLY cheap price to do these kinds of EFX.

I did my scene above in a matter of only a few hours- including starting from "0" with DAZ Studio. I read the DS manual, Dreamlight manuals and his tutorials- and then did my scene and the final composite in Photoshop.

Like I said, there is NOTHING like this for VUE, on the scale of SPEED, PRICE or FEATURES.

If you want to do this in Vue- you need to INVENT ALL OF IT yourself! ...That's my main POINT- this is READY and working NOW...and it's CHEAP... there is nothing like this available for VUE and I can't even find any Multi-Pass tutorials available for Vue- however, the Vue manual DOES discuss it- but not to any degree of usefullness other than the theory of it.

Actually, I was bugging E-on, as I have about many features- some of which have finally shown up in Vue 6- but support for Multi-Pass and Compositing in Photoshop was something I was telling them about back when Vue 3 came out...They dragged their feet for many years until finally getting learning from the MAX, MAYA and LW people that these were features the pros wanted...

As usual, the Vue forum run by Agiel is extremely CLOSED-MINDED about any new concepts- Agiel is a simple little "Gate-Keeper" and E-on was forced to grow beyond their tiny little mindset in Paris by the fact that it was either that or go out of business...

DAZ  has also not been the brightest company when it comes to developing software... they are extremely LUCKY that Dreamlight has come along and dropped these Gold Nuggets in their basket...

Also I have learned that RDNA is getting ready to set up a DAZ Forum... I think it's a wise move on their part...

Glad yer happy with it.

Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/support/tutorials/?page=20&cf=%2Fsupport%2Ftutorials%2Findex.php

Veritas - Maybe you missed this SIMPLE animated tutorial on layered rendering from e-on's website ? Since this tutorial is available, I can see why nobody else would want to waste time and make another tutorial to say just about the same thing.

Thanks for your post Veritas.  I don't have always have time to read the forums at DAZ, but as a subscriber here I can keep up with Vue topics without too much effort :-)  I did see this product advertised at DAZ, and although impressed with it's potential -  I use only Poser and Vue. If it's as good as you claim I might just give Studio another try.  Cheers.

...Jackie, for about $17 BUCKS you can't MISS- just be sure you use Daz Studio 1.5- don't use any earlier versions. And since DS 1.5 is FREE- it is one HECK of a DEAL! It is worth it just to LEARN what Multi-Pass EFX are about. Plus the Light Dome Pro package, also for $17.00 is another great set that compliments Dreamlight's Mood Master...

...and Agiel- why in the F##K did you delete/remove my post??? ...it COULD have lead to a nice discussion about Multi-Pass Rendering for VUE- that was one of the MAIN reason's to post it in the Vue Forum... You KNOW I'm a long-time Vue User... 

ALSO- for $17.00 just READING the Dreamlight MANUAL is WORTH IT! ...It's a valuable Tutorial in ITSELF and can be applied to OTHER software- like VUE. In fact, I bought the package with VUE MULTI-PASS in mind...SURE-- I've seen the nice little info TIDBIT on the E-on website!... But nothing beats DOING IT- and for $17.00 and some change, you can DO Multi-Pass and SEE FOR YOURSELF what it does and how to control it.... THEN --some light bulb should go OFF in your head and say "WHAT if I could do this in VUE?"...- In Dreamlight's manual and tutorials he TELLS YOU his secrets!--What a NICE GUY!...of course, it not SIMPLE-- he's done all the MATH to figure out exactly the light values, steps in Photoshop, etc...--this is what makes buying and using the package worth every penny...

So I would say- get OVER your prejudice about DAZ Studio... it's a NEW DAY...there's a NEW SHERIFF in town-- and the $*%#@ program actually DELIVERS some nice professional results since, after all, this is RENDERMAN software- it's been used by some of the TOP 3D studios... it has just taken a guy like Dreamlight to set it up so that newbie's can achieve something like what the PROS can do...

BTW- I asked Dreamlight if he had a Vue version in mind- and he said- "not at THIS TIME"-- obviously his hands are full dealing with DAZ Customers...He has also tried to develop a POSER version- but that's been on hold for quite a while, apparently...

If your post had been something like "did anybody see any tutorial about layer rendering in Vue ?", I would have left it in place. You post is about a product that exists only for DAZ studio - why should I leave it in the Vue forum ? For example, I would do the same if someone posts a message about the particle system available for DAZ and says that it is not available for Vue yet. But if someone asks how to do particles in Vue, I would have no reason to remove it. You got that right - I am a gate keeper in the Vue forum. I make sure that discussions about other products reach their audience. You are welcome to post another message in the Vue forum as long as it is related to that software.

...Like so MANY things in Vue-LAND- you keep the dicussion very LIMITED- back when you seemed to be busy doing other stuff a couple years ago I was making posts in the Vue Forum about Geographic Information Systems software and Microsoft Flight Simulator CLOUDS and NOTHING was ever deleted-- my wide-ranging posts in fact DID start interesting discussions and DID create some interesting emails between me and E-on guys- as they DO read them (or I make sure they did)- and it DID result in them adding NEW features to Vue...

YOU try to NOW keep it TOO CLOSED, Agiel- I think it is because E-on has offered you some type of incentives to keep the Vue Forum a closed-minded, little-minded operation. I still drop in to see people discussing CATS, WEATHER, and everything ELSE- and they aren't DELETED... maybe because their isn't a CAT or WEATHER Forum to move these posts to???

You and E-on just TOTALLY PARANOID!... E-on went into this Paranoia a couple of years ago and for a while, as you played with Carrara and video games, etc.. you seemed to somewhat detached about how things were going in the Vue Forum. It seems E-on has yanked your chain...it's a place where ANYTHING can be freely discussed- as long as it's CATS, WEATHER, etc... Try visiting some of the PROFESSIONAL 3D Forums sometime where people talk WIDE-RANGE 3D and 3D ideas are MIND-BLOWING!  That's why the BIG companies have BIG clients and talented 3D artists- they are free to think and explore...

Meanwhile. I'm having fun with Mood Master!

...keeping on the rain theme- here's "...Another Rainy Night in Georgia..."

The Gypsy wagon is, I believe, the ORIGINAL one done several years ago (not the DAZ one)- and the forest backdrop is the RDNA "Forest Ruins"...but WAY in the back is the DAZ Cyclorama!

The 3delight Renderman software really lends itself to a "CEL" animation type look, I think...

I re-used the FOG layer TWICE to get a deeper FOG...one of the really COOL features of Multi-Pass effects- no need to render again- just add another LAYER!...and I re-used my Rain Layer from my previous Dystopia render- BIG TIME SAVINGS and much GREATER control... I LOVE THIS!

Looks good, Veritas, but as a post effect, this cool rain doesn't make droplets in the water, and won't animate either. So it is good fo stills alright, but almost, because fog or sky effects wouldn't reflect in water either, right?
Now how would this fit in a global illumination or radiosity render? Would it look good? What do you think?

Veritas - you are almost right. I did not move your posts about Flight Simulator clouds because there is no FS forum.

As for the personal attacks about my relationship with e-on, I will leave you to your delusions.

I will not keep replying to this post either and turn your discussion about Mood Master into an argument about my decisions in the forum. I will be glad to continue it offline if you want to reply.

No, that's cool, Agiel!  A bit of sword fighting is fun, and I apologize for getting too personal... I just think it is to E-on's BENEFIT to have a more open forum- that is OPEN to NEW IDEAS! That's always my intention, anyway... Many years ago I was regularly beaten up in the old Forum- when it was just Poser and Bryce- because I was showing my VUE renders! People said I was FAKING THEM-- or using LIGHTWAVE! (nice compliment!)-- and I was eventually THROWN OFF as I was NOT ALLOWED to post renders other than POSER or BRYCE...heh!!!

MAN- People can be SOOOOO Closed-Minded!!!...Yet the NEW owners of Renderosity seemed to see that having a DIVERSE set of software ideas was a good thing- and it made Renderosity grow like crazy! They right away established the NEW Vue Forum- then other software platforms, etc.... so anyway- that's why I always get a bit "bent out of shape"- as I LOVE talking about NEW ideas I've seen from other programs...

Bruno- DS still does not handle animation renders correctly, according to Dreamlight. He wants DAZ to fix whatever it is that causes the errors. Since I don't do ANIMATION- I don't care...heh!

But reguarding Animation is a professional environment- like say Disney- they would use the above Gypsy Wagon scene as a matte background- THEN they would OVERLAY splash objects (sprites) to make the rain drop EFX animated. One thing I notice OVER AND OVER with many artists here who do 3D is how LITTLE they work like the PROS!!!  Pro Animators-- like PIXAR, etc, use LOTS of 2D EFX in their "3D" renders- like Disney, etc.. that because it's MUCH FASTER and the public "thinks" it's 3D!... Because people try to do ALL 3D effects in Vue, etc... they have HUGE LONG render times...Pro's CANNOT work like that... Time is MONEY, etc.
For Pro's it's not about ART-it's does the Director and Producer ACCEPT IT??? and does the Public BUY-IT???

It's like years ago, I- and many other Vue and Bryce artists too, heh!--- used to try and do UNDERWATER scenes using GLASS or WATER materials because it was "SUPPOSED" to be like water...!!!- But then you FINALLY realize... HEY-- why the F@@K  do you need the incredibly SLOOOOOW render times- when you can just FAKE IT using a bluish-green  ATMOSPHERE INSTEAD?...Actually looks much BETTER and renders 90% FASTER... yet you STILL see artists trying to do WATER and many other EFX- without THINKING about what the final purpose is-- to make SOMEONE ELSE "THINK" it is "Underwater"--or whatever the EFX is supposed to achieve...

Which leads me back to Mood Master- it's a HUGE Time Saver for creating DEEP ATMOSPHERIC EFX-- yet many people are KILLING THEMSELVES trying to render these same EFX in a HEAVY 3D ATMOSPHERE...Sure you might say---WHAT about ANIMATION?--- It can be done with Animation TOO- and that's often how the PROS render their DEEP EFX- and do the POST-WORK in a scene composition software program- all the MAYA, MAX and LIGHTWAVE software is made to work like this...for COMPOSTION in 2D!...

Check out the new Photoshop- it's supports VIDEO (Animation) composition EFX ---Photoshop is now bringing to everyone what the previous expensive 2D Composition softwares have been doing for years...

...After continuously LUSTING for Stonemason's "Faded Industry" I HAD to buy it and give it a try with Mood Master...

But it seems like the Bolladon, or whatever the heck it is called, took over the picture!

So it's titled "Who Let The Bolladon Out?"...

Used Mood Master and LDP- I cranked up the SUN to 200%, with a yellow tint so that it would blast down through the warehouse skylights. And, rather than removing the roof- I made it about 60% transparent- so that more ambient light from LDP could get inside...

Without getting into the politics here, and as a fairly new person to all this 3d lark I have used both LD and Mood Master and they have definately added an extra dimension to my renders. 
Also as Veritas has indicated the documentation with both was an education that has also expanded my knowledge of this addictive artform and shown me an alternative way to achieve some excellent effects quickly.
Here is a link to a render I did recently using mood master to create a hint of mist in the background: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1497670

I cant comment on Vue.....

Good work **Kunshouling.  I bought this product based on Veritas777
 enthusiastic posts..He should get a sales commission! :-) 
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