I thought it was to be released by now. Cheers

That was before Smith Micro took over, who knows when or if it'll get released now.

People please hear my plee. Change that name. Call it PoserPro2008 or something else.
The confusion with the original Poser pro is going to drive us batty.

geoegress wrote. "People please hear my plee. Change that name. Call it PoserPro2008 or something else.
The confusion with the original Poser pro is going to drive us batty."

Not if it never gets released. LOL.

I think this Smith Mico has screwed up royally, not letting the poserverse know whats going on with this alleged / Mythical version. reminds me so much of Daz's mythical dynamic cloth. Hype it up and not produce seems to be the standard buisness approach these days.

when Smith Micro first took over Poser, i simply thought it was just poser's yearly change of hands. but my confidence in them has been waning since.

CL and eF had their faults but they did have a community presence and were open to feedback about the development of Poser.  what customers and merchants should be doing is pressuring them to get their #%@$ together as well as be more interactive with the community.

for the long-term good of Poser, we should all be doing what we can to help Daz|Studio development.  healthy competition in the marketplace promotes advancement as well as the best situation for the customer, and there is a fall-back if Poser dead ends.

Or it could be that it is under development, and those that got copies and are beta testing can't say a word because of their NDAs. And this goes for both SM and DAZ.

Although I do agree that Smith Micro might not really be fully aware of how the community works; but for a long while, it was thought that Poser5 was "mythical". As for Studio and cloth, you only have to go to Artzone and check Dan Farr's member gallery to view the "mythical" dynamic cloth in action, as well as other interesting stuff. Problem is, sometimes things take much longer than expected to iron things out; heck, P7 couldn't run a proper cloth simulation without issues until SR2, and the same goes for P6.

Maybe it would be a good idea for the Poser/SM crew to come in here and reassure us of what is going on, and what we can expect. In the meantime, I am willing to give them a break until the transition is finished and they find the community's pulse so to speak.

I am a PPro beta user. It is actively being worked on. It has some cool stuff. I cannot talk about it. Forget I ever said anything. Don't see me.

Does not really matter if anyone is testing it or not. it's the point of not letting the community know whats going on.

"Let's give them time to finish transitions," really does not hold up with the amount of time they have already had to do this. It has been a few months now.

I looked for Farr's member gallery but can't find it. I just wanted to see if it is something new or the same old hype they have been pumoing for over a year. Funny nothing has been said about it on Daz.

I don't mind waiting for it to be done right, but pulling a Daz in communication is not good.

"let the community know what's going on?" What's to say? They are actively working on it, achieving the feature set they intended on releasing.

(/me also a beta tester).. waves hand...these are not the droids you are looking for....

Yeah Damned them! I want weekly progress reports!

Prove it!!!!! Oh I forgot you can't can you? Vapour ware it'll stay until someone from SmithMicro pulls their finger out & says "hello, this is what we're doing with Poser"

Nobody said they wanted f'n weekly reports, did they. All that's asked is a simple confirmation that something indeed is still going on. It has been a long time/ months that anything has been said. Including the blogs that stopped.

Don't think that is being unreasonable. It's fine for you who have it but not cool looking down your nose at those of us that are interested in buying and are left in the dark as to what has happened. That's to the " yeah Damned them! I want weekly progress reports!" comment. Sorry but I don't think that was right or fair to us.

The only thing that we got from all this is there is a beta being tested. For the lucky ones.

I just hope the wait is worth it.
Mind you, by the time it does come out will it be renamed Poser 8!

Gareee - It's a shame the Jedi mind trick doesn't work in real life. Oh boy, I'd be up to no good I can tell you!

Quote - I am a PPro beta user. It is actively being worked on. It has some cool stuff. I cannot talk about it. Forget I ever said anything. Don't see me.

Yep.  A little bird hinted at some time next month.  I didn't say that and sleeeeep....sleeeep....sleeep. ;)

@ PPro beta testers: Do you personally think it is really worth the attribute " Pro " ?

last i heard it was this winter so technically they have a week and a half before they should say "Here it is" or they can say "Well what happen was..."

Quote - @ PPro beta testers: Do you personally think it is really worth the attribute " Pro " ?

Come on, be reasonable! They're not going to answer a question like that especially if they want to stay beta testers.

3/12/08

According to RatCloset, who regularly posts on the CP forums, Poser 7 Pro is indeeded being worked upon. Physically moving locations to the SM offices did cause some delays. It sounds as if more people have been added to the Poser programming team. To date, there has been no official change to the release estimate of this winter.

From posts I have read from some other Poser team members, it seems that with SM, lawyers are now involved with news releases. Give up all hope of more than cryptic hints about the future of Poser  from anyone associated with the Poser Product line.

It would sure be nice if bagginsbill would stop by and give us a hint. Where is he anyway?

LMK

Quote - > Quote - @ PPro beta testers: Do you personally think it is really worth the attribute " Pro " ?

Come on, be reasonable! They're not going to answer a question like that especially if they want to stay beta testers.

         o.k. you are right 

Quote - o.k. you are right 

:b_lipssealed::b_grin: That's rare for me :b_cool:

I've been told they are just nailing down some details and its not far away.

the "S" word was not used     :-)

All the last posts by anyone associated with SM and poser pro were all indeed acknowledgements that work was progressing well. What mor edo you need beyond that, Tasha?

The zbrush developement teams says NOTHING at all.. but then new plugins just appear magically.

The newtek developement teams says NOTHING.. and then suddenly there a new lightwave beta signup program.

The Max and Adobe Photoshop developement teams also say NOTHING, and then suddenly there are new versions released.

It's VERY common in utility developement companies to keep everything they can under wraps, and then burst new features and releases to make as much noise as possible for release.

Since the poser forum communities are SO negative and so many people revel in creating conflict, I don't blame them for avoiding them like the plague.

Daz's developement team also tried to avoid the forums, for the same reasons.

IMHO developement teams have plenty on their hands and I personally want them spending more time adding new features and fixing things, then doing public PR.

Agreed Gareee, that's why they employ PR people, it's about time they started earning their pay & stopped letting beta testers take the heat all the time.

I don't really think PR people need to be in forums anyway.. maybe a rep like Ratcloset is, filling in info when needed.

When I look in the newtek forums, Chuck is the man there. Zbrush forums? Aurick. Daz forums? SKrondis is the regular rep with the proper info.

And when they are in deep developement mode, they aren't around at all. When something new is released, then they suddenly pop their heads up above the ground, see thier shadow, and then sleep for another month or so before becoming active.

Hmm.... think I mixed in two thoughts there.... LOL!

Quote - All the last posts by anyone associated with SM and poser pro were all indeed acknowledgements that work was progressing well. What mor edo you need beyond that, Tasha?

The zbrush developement teams says NOTHING at all.. but then new plugins just appear magically.

The newtek developement teams says NOTHING.. and then suddenly there a new lightwave beta signup program.

The Max and Adobe Photoshop developement teams also say NOTHING, and then suddenly there are new versions released.

It's VERY common in utility developement companies to keep everything they can under wraps, and then burst new features and releases to make as much noise as possible for release.

Since the poser forum communities are SO negative and so many people revel in creating conflict, I don't blame them for avoiding them like the plague.

Daz's developement team also tried to avoid the forums, for the same reasons.

IMHO developement teams have plenty on their hands and I personally want them spending more time adding new features and fixing things, then doing public PR.

Good points, all.  Excellent points, in fact.

I'll be looking forward to using this mythical software, kindly tested for us by mythical beta-testers.  And if we're lucky, Smith Micro will  let us buy our very own personal copies of the software with mythical money.  :lol: 

I'm looking forward to the release.  I believe that Poser Pro will be everything that we are anticipating, and more.

64 bit rendering

3/12/08

DAZ and the Poser developement team have folks who (carefully) read all the major forums related to their products. You can bet they have people reading each others forums. They would be fools to ignore what is going on in the forums.

Things got nasty during the pre-release marketing of Poser 7 (in part because E-F/CP was inflexible in their response to their consumer base), and the blunders in the release of V4.2 did not create warm fuzzy responses to DAZ's efforts. Once bitten twice shy.

Those who try to say what they can are often attacked. I agree that the negativity, which is really a symptom of customer anxiety and frustration, puts off developers from being more open and informative. Thus, creating more anxiety, frustration and negativity. It is a vicious cycle where the operative word is often "vicious."

LMK

Guys please don't push those who are in the beta program for details, they legally cannot give you anything of substance (standard non-disclosure agreement). 

Good call, Ik. Tasha's hostile responses to my posts are an excellent example. Tash is cool n all, but can also be a hot head sometimes (and I'm guity of that as well on occasion), but aggressive responses to actual replies with what info we CAN impart do make us less enticed to do so in the future.

I'm just actually testing PPro right now, and found one of those long standing issues that was sneakily fixed without any mention at all, so I'm a pretty happy camper.

And I'm a pain in the ass with them. if I can bust something, I do, and happily report the bugs with malicious glee! (Kidding!)

But I AM part of the reason for the last week delay with poser 7.. I think I had 8-10 beta versions sent to me a single day right before public release, because I found a last minute "deal breaker" issue. And the guys there (same guys who are working on it now) busted hump fixing it for release.

Huh, I thought I did say we got some info from this thread. Re-reading my last post, yep, last line says so.

But, we should not have to have Beta testers filling in for a companies PR. It was nice of some of you to chime in. We don't need developers to stop what they are doing to post, SM needs thier PR to do that.

As I said before. I don't mind how long they take to get it right, it's the poor communication. Something that should be addressed, specially after a buyout. The communities need to hear it from a proper source. We don't need a weekly report, just an offical statement that it is still being worked on. No need to say a release date, or a Daz SOON. That would be enough for most. Well me anyhow.

BTW, get my nic right please and I didn't mean to sound hostile.

No worries, pjz...I usually ask them what I can and cannot respond to, because it's not worth loosing my ability to stick my hand in the mess before release, and get my "pet issues" fixed.

See, I DO have a personal stake in poser's developement! (Snicker!)

Now if I could get Newtek and Luxology's developers to move anywhere near as fast, I'd be much happier!

I'm willing to wait. I need the network rendering more than anything else the PPro pack has in its list of features.

Picky picky... just don't call me late for dinner and I'm happy. ;)

Tashar59, (yeah looked it up, because you are being a poopy head about it) ,did you read the last blog update here:

http://www.poserpro.net/blog/poser_pro/2007/11/

Steve clearly states that other then a delay (the office relocation most likely) that progress was going along fine with poser pro.

Isn't that what you wanted?

He also clearly states that he'll be happy to reply to questions there, though there haven't been many.

So what's the beef?

One last BTW Gareee, My comments were not about the little info you could give us, most of us understand you can't say much. It was that weekly progress comment that I thought was wrong.

Again didn't mean to sound hostile.

No worries, hon.. I understand frustration. I've been chomping at the bit waiting for newtek to release the beta they promised us 2 weeks ago in "early march". Aren't we more like in mid march now? There were literally thousands of views in the announcement thread, tons of forum posts, a bunch of image previews, the beta signup link, and then dead silence in the last week or so. One guy even wrote a song about it!

Anyway, I'm going back into deep developement mode, so I'm shutting my emails off for a few hours.

BBL, kids, and play nice while I'm gone!

Many thanks go to the beta testers who've stuck their necks out........I mean kindly provided us with what helpful information that they can.........in this thread.

And now everyone in the community knows who to go to and mercilessly pepper with questions after the release is out.  :sneaky: 

3/12/08

Gareee:

I have seen how Poser beta testers get flamed, and it is completely out of line. I have also seen how beta testers of V4 got savaged when they tried to give information. No good deed goes unpunished.

This is just my opinion, but I think that if a product is actively being beta tested, then its official that the application is being actively developed.

I want beta testers to be thorough. I may not be able to use Poser right, but believe me, I can use it wrong. When the testers can talk, I would love to hear what bugs are fixed but not documented, to see if they are on my list of peeves.

LMK

You do realize that the newest post there is Nov 2007? That's 4 months ago. Or I'm clicking on all the wrong links which is another possibility. LOL.

I'm looking forward to the 64 bit. Have my working computer already set up for it.

Hell, like I can use it properly? LOL.. I bent the hell out of every feature until it sueals like a stuck pig, and then I bend it a little more!

Then I go bitch and moan about it to them, providing images and such, yapping at them to fix it!

I'm surprised they actually give me private email addresses any more, but one of the problems with any beta testers, its people who just glow over something and not really push to offer advise, alternate solutions, or point out things from the various forums that just don't work as advertised.

I just flamed them a nasty one this morning, and am quite pleased to find out that they had fixed things, and just totally forgot to mention them to us. Fixed is good though! LOL!

I'm guessing after they get poser pro out the door, we'll see the fix stuff released in a new update to poser 7 as well.

You sound so......reasonable, lkendall.  It's refreshing to read level-headed stuff like that in these threads from time to time.

Yeah, but as he said, he's not getting questions there, and there's nothing really new to report other then business as usual.

And I'm finding 64 bit a little over rated. (not poser pro, but everything in general.) Lightwave renders faster, and can access more ram. Vue6 Infinite also renders faster, and can access the extra ram. Both are great, but general program use is exactly the same, opengl previews are the same, and in the case of lightwave, there are a LOT of legacy 32 bit plugins that don;t work.. and the majority of the LW community seem to still use modeler32 bit, and then switch to lw layout 64 bit for final rendering, IF 32 bit plugions aren't needed.

Since the 64 bit os already gives you access to additional ram installed, 54 bit specific applications don't really appear too much more robust, EXCEPT when you are actually at rendertime.

But I'll take any advancements in speed I can get.. ;)

Quote - I'm guessing after they get poser pro out the door, we'll see the fix stuff released in a new update to poser 7 as well.

Better and better. 

Does that mean P7 and Pro are 2 different monsters? I would have thought that an SR for 7 would be first to then build the Pro on top. Or is it different coding because of the 64 bit. Not a coder so I ask.

Quote - Since the 64 bit os already gives you access to additional ram installed, 54 bit specific applications don't really appear too much more robust, EXCEPT when you are actually at rendertime.

I can render scenes in Vue 6I under 64 bit that would crash Vue 6I under 32 bit.

Yep.. V6I rendertime improvements.. and P7 vs PPro developement? beats me.. I'm just guessing.

But I would think proving perfomance to a new owner with a new product release would give the new owner more incentive to invest in additional service releases for a legacy released product.

Quote: "can render scenes in Vue 6I under 64 bit that would crash Vue 6I under 32 bit."

Same here but is that not beacuse of the use of extra ram?

My Modo screams on my 64 os even though it's a 32 bit, for now.

Quote - Quote: "can render scenes in Vue 6I under 64 bit that would crash Vue 6I under 32 bit."

Same here but is that not beacuse of the use of extra ram?

I think that the extra RAM access is the key -- or at least it's the keystone that holds up the rest of the rendering structure.  I've always been able to imagine more than whatever 2G's (or even 3G's) of RAM running under 32 bit could handle when rendering.  Especially so in Poser.

I've found the 64 bit platform to be more stable overall -- for pretty much everything.  I've run across one or two compatibility issues, but you can solve that via a 32 bit dual boot.  I'm looking forward to the relatively-near-future day when 32 bit OS's are a thing of the past.

Quote - My Modo screams on my 64 os even though it's a 32 bit, for now.

Yep.

Even plain-vanilla Poser 7 is more stable and runs better under 64 bit than it ever did for me under 32 bit.  I'm hoping that Poser Pro will prove out to be an even greater improvement.

I'd recommend 64 bit for anyone -- with the caveat that 64 bit still has a few hardware / software compatibility issues here and there -- for now.

3/12/08

Sadly, I am stuck at present, with 32 bit. There is no avenue to better preformance on my computer. It is actually fine for every application I have except Poser. If I buy a 64 bit computer, I will not have the money for Poser 7 Pro.

Incidentally, on 32 bit computers, do not waste money on 4 GB of memory. The top 1 GB (3-4 GB address space) is mapped to other functions, and that last GB will be ignored by the system. This is the same stupid mistake that was made in limiting PCs to 640K. Most techs advise to buy no more than 3 GB, and save the rest of your money for the next computer.

LMK

Yeah, I'm doing the dual boot also. I have read some software don't like 64 bit. Painter for one but I have it up and running like a charm on mine. I wonder if it's finding the right drivers as well. I know my intuos3 tablet needed the new driver and is so smooth now.

Quote: "I'm looking forward to the relatively-near-future day when 32 bit OS's are a thing of the past."

Then it will be 128 bit os as the way to go and we will be held back with 64 bit software. LOL.

Quote - Then it will be 128 bit os as the way to go and we will be held back with 64 bit software. LOL.

True.  :lol:

I heard my name... someone offering cheese?

(That is why they do not tell me anything.. I am swayed by cheap chedder.)

I did have an opportunity to talk with one of the staff members today and.... wait a minute.. someone at Smith Micro is offering me a Cheese Plate... got to run!  CHEESE...

At least they aren't offering you limburger.

I'll be happy to mail you some (expensive, not cheap) brie, in exchange for the inside scoop on Poser Pro...........:sneaky:

Inside scoops of... CHEESE!