I'm thinking of upgrading to Infinite but wondered if there's a major render time improvement over 6 esprit which seems sluggish on my more than ample mac. Anyone have any experience of Infinite on a mac pro?

cheers

Brian

If I remember right, Esprit only uses 2 cores.  Infinite will use all you have.

Hi!

I  bought Vue 5/6 Infinite some time ago (a year or two) and bought a Mac Pro Quad 2,66 with 8 Gigs of Memory espacially for this f*** software. It was a pain to use and rendertimes take... too long for me. I sold the Mac Pro and now use a iMac Dualcore 2,4 Alu with 4 Gig. 

The app is near to unusable for me. UI is sluggish and unusable if any other app runs at the same time. Often application crashes.

A totally waste of money.

I realy hate this software and the company so much !

I have reinstalled it some times without getting better results.

ole

@os2008:
Which company and software do you hate? Apple or e-on? ;-)

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Which company and software do you hate? Apple or e-on? ;-)

Did you mean it could be Apples foult? I think Leopard isn´t as good as the developers have told us at wwdc sessions but it´s not a pain to use. E-on software is. 

I think Vue is  a really crappy app. Most apps are.. but (at least) the mac version of vue is the worst software I have ever seen/bought/used.

I´m a experienced Mac user since 1991 and have seen a lot of software/versions. 

Quote - "I think Vue is  a really crappy app."

Everyone in this forum will most likely disagree with you. I think Vue is a wonderful app.

Regarding problems, I have very few. Sure, there are one or another crash but nothing significant. 99.99% of the time everything runs smoothly. I run it in Windows, of course. I already ran Vue in 3 different machines and Windows versions and always had the same good experience.

There are many thousands of people who run Vue without significant problems, at least not at the scale you mention. I personally know people well who run it in a Mac without significant problems. So, if I were you, I would start looking for the root cause of your problems elsewhere, not on Vue. Just a hint. :-)

Don't come to a Vue forum and bash our software.  I'm kinda fed up with several posts lately about what Vue can/can't do better than other apps and then people just plain out trash talking about my favorite program.  

Well, last couple of months, latest patch and new quad core, Windows Intel, Vista 64 bit, 8 gig ram, FANTASTICALLY ******* better Vue fun, for me :)

Recent patches made it much more stable, new PC is vastly better. x10 render speed, I can chuck bazillions of things into a scene and have yet to get below 72% resources, etc.

I know some folk have really bad times, I suspect it's maybe hardware related, somehow, especially for MAC users, some of whom have rela bad times, oddly.

Good motherboards: ASUS, Asrock, or such (I'm a bit behind that curve nowadays); good vid card (think Nvidia 8600's are best at moment for Vue), having a dedicated PC just for art (keep games etc on another machine)...works good :)

Maybe I am missing something here - but I do have a Mac Pro 8-core with 4 G of RAM and I have to tell you, I have never seen Vue this stable and fast !

I have seen reports of sluggish interface on Mac before, but I have yet to see it on mine.

Is that something that happens immediately when you run it ? or over time ? or after a certain action maybe ?

I am running Vue Infinite with the latest beta.

As for bashing... well... it is one thing to say you hate a software because it didn't work well for you and another to bash a company for it. If Vue did not work on mine, I would be frustrated too to spend that much money on a machine or a software and have it not work in the end.

I'm using a MacBook Pro with 1GB Ram, and haven't had many crashes as of late with the last several patches (Vue 5 Infinite was horrible for crashing). Sometimes I have to do other jobs with the notebook (email, internet, etc) at the same time Vue is rendering. Sure everything runs more slowly, but doesn't crash!
The only time I get serious slow downs is when I have a lot of stuff on the desktop, (usually all Vue freebies from various sources that I have not yet cataloged and back up for future use.) Simple enough to clean the desktop, and everything runs much more quickly!

 Well I decided to try the PLE first so we'll see how that goes before I decide but so far aside from one bad post I get the impression it's stable and will use all 4 cores where esprit will only use 2.

I'll post an update when I've played with the PLE for a bit.

Cheers all, feel free to keep opinions coming... particularly mac users ;O)

Quote - Hi!

I  bought Vue 5/6 Infinite some time ago (a year or two) and bought a Mac Pro Quad 2,66 with 8 Gigs of Memory espacially for this f*** software. It was a pain to use and rendertimes take... too long for me. I sold the Mac Pro and now use a iMac Dualcore 2,4 Alu with 4 Gig. 

The app is near to unusable for me. UI is sluggish and unusable if any other app runs at the same time. Often application crashes.

A totally waste of money.

I realy hate this software and the company so much !

I have reinstalled it some times without getting better results.

ole

Your experience sounds very similar to my post purchase experience with Vue Infinite. However, some succint answers from e-on support have given me the means of running Vue effortlessly. I now find Vue a pleasure to use on my more 'modest' MacBook pro with 3Gb ram. Please feel free to vue the support thread at:

e-on support link

There is also an interesting discussion regarding bringing a 64bit version of Vue to the Mac at the end of the thread.

I hope it helps......

About the second 'Bake now' button - if you look closely, this one is about Illumination Baking on a mesh model.

So, after 'baking' a terrain into polygons, you would ask Vue to 'bake' the lighting solution onto that terrain.

Vue seems to get stuck on that step for baked terrain at least. I tried to reproduce it with other meshes but so far, it is only happening with terrains.

It seems we have a reportable bug here.

@agiel, I think you posted this message in the wrong thread. You probably wanted this one:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2737376

Thanks - I did mix up the tabs in my browser :)

How well does xStream behave on a Mac Pro? I just ordered one... should be here at the end of this month. =D

Izaro: thanks for that link. Well, that really kills it for me. They wrote it in Carbon instead of Cocoa like good developers, and now they are suffering since Apple pulled the plug on 64 bit Carbon support. Kind of like Adobe, ne?

 Im finding Vue6I very stable and a pleasure to use on my iMac 2.4ghz aluminum 24" with 4 gig ram. My only real complaint with vue is they need to do some work on the render to see if they could get a little more speed out of it.

Even with the slow renders im loving the app. Learning lots from the geek@play video tuts.

Between Vue and the new updated Lightwave its a good time to be on a Mac.

Ron

Quote - How well does xStream behave on a Mac Pro? I just ordered one... should be here at the end of this month. =D

Izaro: thanks for that link. Well, that really kills it for me. They wrote it in Carbon instead of Cocoa like good developers, and now they are suffering since Apple pulled the plug on 64 bit Carbon support. Kind of like Adobe, ne?

It appears, ironically, that e-on may have been too early with their adoption of 64 bit for the Mac: They leapt onto the Carbon bandwagon, and subsequently Apple shifted to Cocoa....?

As the saying goes: 'It is the second mouse that gets the cheese!'

I'm hoping that e-on release a 64 bit Mac Infinite 7 at launch ~ I might also be able to afford a MacPro by then!

Kaji, enjoy your new MacPro ~ by all accounts it is a fabulous machine.... it might be worth you running Vue via Bootcamp if you've a lot of RAM?

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Kaji, enjoy your new MacPro ~ by all accounts it is a fabulous machine.... it might be worth you running Vue via Bootcamp if you've a lot of RAM?

I've been using Bootcamp for two years now. It is very stable and works well, but I am envious of my friend's Parallel program where you can run Windows applications (Even Autocad 2008!) natively from within OSX and copy and paste from window to window. Were I to have the money ($80) I would be running the same program and forget this having to shut down and reboot into Windows XP (Both programs require XP or Vista to be installed, but still...)

As far as I understand it, Carbon was a band-aid solution to bring pre-existing apps into OS X and make them look like the rest of them. Apple really wanted everyone to write in Cocoa...

As far as bootcamp goes... since I have xStream I'm moving my Cinema 4D license to Mac, so it's not going to do me a lot of good to dual boot. :(

 Kaji, Vue 7 Xtream, native 64 bit for the Mac, it will have to be then........

And here starts the sweepstake betting on the announcement date (!?):

I'll guess at Monday 6th October '08.............

PS: Interesting to learn that Carbon was the band-aid for the transition to OS X.

There are some good performance comparisons of Mac and Windows on Frederic's VueMark thread on C3D.  I have both 32-bit Mac and 32-bit PC and they seem to run about the same for me.  On 64-bit platforms however, the PC will run about 30% faster running XP versus OSX.  A lot of this is due to compiler and OSX/Carbon performance issues.