Quote - > Quote - Whatever bakes your space cookies, man.  We here at Flesh Forge Incorporated do not condone the use of hard drugs and habit-forming pills, but we certainly can't stop you!

Yeah, I said I could take a pain pill. I didn't say I would. I think I'll go have some Rocky Off Road Ice cream instead! Mmmmmm... Ice cream!

I just had a cup of French Vanilla. It's my version of a 'Happy Meal", I'm quite happy after a few scoops :)

Oh no, did I wrote that?  :scared:

B,

An outa control thread where bodies are flying through plate glass windows and tables are being smashed and *no one told me???

*You guys have any idea how hard it is to maintain a needlessly argumentative reputation around here????? Next time, send me an IM, okay??

Throws a bowl of ice cream at Sean's back........

Quote - An outa control thread where bodies are flying through plate glass windows and tables are being smashed and *no one told me???

*You guys have any idea how hard it is to maintain a needlessly argumentative reputation around here????? Next time, send me an IM, okay??

I dunno.  The quickest way for me to let ya know is text :P

Quote - Also, I want to clarify something...stating, in print, that a member is running rampant in the galleries posting snide comments without showing proof is borderline, if not full-out libel.  If you want to show me the proof, I'm for it, but lets keep those kinds of comments out of this, guys.

Actually stating that  is not libel and if they had a sudden hissy fit and decided to try to take them to court for that, the judge would throw it out of court because it is frivolous, now if someone decided to say substantial things about the person that WOULD damage them some how  THEN its libel and can be acted on. But, oh boo hoo he said I was running rampant thats libel? :roll:

I aint no freakin shyster. Just using common sense..... something lacking around here at times.

sho's the beer....whosh whash on the beer run again? hic

Quote - Ok, ok, guys, be nice to the new staff.  If I let y'all scare them early, they run away and never come back ;)

Seriously, though, to be honest with you, while I wouldn't have locked the thread (Or moved it to the CC), I think Diadalos did the right thing by getting in there before the the thread went in an argumentational direction. 

So, I think we should move on.  As for the aforementioned post, the comments may have been harsh, but they're not exactly trolling.  The commenter, while being harsh, was giving a critique.  If any member does not want harsh critiques from other members, they are encouraged to select the option to not get critiques of your image.  Otherwise, I'd say be prepared to hear things you don't want to about your artwork.  There is a difference between harsh critique and trolling.  Trolling is more like "Yeah, she looked like your mom did last night in my bed" or something equally idiotic and/or insulting. 

Jeni

Sorry, Jen but I have to disagree with you 100%. that was not a critique Louise was talking about if we're indeed talking about the same person she informed me of today. I saw the insults on the two images which she told me about today in an email and I was very angry about it.
that guy is nothing but a troll. he has no gallery and is going around bashing peoples images and I won't tolerate anyone doing it to a friend of mine and will state so publically if it means confronting them right on the page which it occurred.
I think kitten does some outstanding work and is above average in relation to most people who upload poser images here. her work on realism is something which I am still working on trying to achieve. 
imho that clown is only here to make trouble and the staff should consider banning him from this site.

hear hear ...
but I'm sure this thread will get locked as well before it becomes "argumentative". All the mod had to do in the previous one is actually understand what Lou was saying....

I tried to colorize it a bit in this thread after the other was locked so maybe the point would take hold, but no..I'm accused of libel.
now that's just peachy, isn't it?

This place reminds me of the current folks running the US government...they're right, right, and always right, and if you don't agree, you're wrong, and not just wrong but an enemy to be destroyed....or in this case, made to shut up because they don't want to rile the masses...or whomever gets riled here.

A suggestion to the mods ... slow down a bit and understand what you're saying and doing before you pull the trigger. OK...I maybe should do that too...maybe we all need to think a bit. But the least you mods can do is actually try to listen instead of putting the blinders on, which is what appears to happen.

Dave:  You. Beer. Now.

Ah, here's the beer thread...
Dave, while you;re running in and out of here, can you bring us back like, a 24 pack or maybe two?   and a baggie of catnip for me.

I am a teetotaler, so no thanks on the beer.  But I'll be glad to bring the catnip.  My cats like to eat it -- although it seems to have no special effect on them when they do.

BTW - I don't care for peaches or for apricots.  I just don't like the flavor.  "Diet peach-flavored iced tea" (a glass-bottle concoction frequently found in the refrigerated sections of convenience stores) sounds like an abomination to me -- hey: I don't even like peach cobbler.  But other people like it, so to each their own.

What?!? You've never tried "Nehi Peach Soda"?!?! :tt2:

Ok, so, I've been told multiple times that I missed the point.  From what I gather, originalkitten had problems with some comments on her images.  SHE did not name the commenter, that was done later by another poster.  Other than riling up folk in the forum, since warnings to the commenter were not wanted (or, by what we looked into, warranted) what was the actual purpose of bringing it up in the forum? 

Let's say we just took ok's word (we actually never do that, but, this is a for instance) and went and warned the guy that if he did it again, he was looking at a vacation from being able to comment.  Is that really fair?  No.  THIS is why we ask that, if you have a problem with another member or comments on your images or responses to your threads, you let us know, rather than starting a post in the forum.  Whether you like it or not, once a post like that is started, other people start taking up your crusade for you, whether you want them to or not.

Regarding the libel thing...SHOULD anyone have the grounds to file a libel complaint, do you really think they're going to file it against a "Dave-So from Renderosity"?  No.  They file it against Renderosity/Bondware.  THIS is why we worry about unfounded accusations.  Once you post it to the internet, it's considered published.  If it's not true, and it affects a person in a negative way, they have every right to file a libel complaint, whether the judge sits to hear it is another story.  It's enough of a black mark to have a libel complaint against a company.  This is why I'm all for sticking to the actual facts, folks.  You all have every right to be upset in originalkitten's defense.  However, no one has the right to accuse someone of something that they don't know is what's really going on.

I'm not saying you guys don't have the right to an opinon here, but you have to take the responsibility to make sure it's an opinion based on fact and not conjecture.

>> I'm not saying you guys don't have the right to an opinon here, but you have to take the responsibility to make sure it's an opinion based on fact and not conjecture.

What??? But that's... that's... reasonable!!!

As far as the libel thing goes, I don’t believe an instance where people are discussing whether or not the comments of a poster constitutes trolling can reasonably be construed as libel any more than a discussion of whether or not someone is being a jerk.  It’s a subjective interpretation: a conclusion that isn’t actually harmful to anyone’s reputation or livelihood. It’s certainly a violation of the no personal attacks rule, however. 

The conversation might have been possible within the strictures of Renderosity as a generalized debate on what constitutes trolling and trolls. There was no need to point out a possible troll . 

Yeah Im pretty sure that critics would be out of business if an opinion constituted Libel.  It's whether or not the opinion is presented as fact, not whether or not the opinion is based on fact. 
Again with the legal expert thing..

wikipedia ftw

""Another important aspect of defamation is the difference between fact and opinion. Statements made as "facts" are frequently actionable defamation. Statements of opinion or pure opinion are not actionable. In order to win damages in a libel case, the plaintiff must first show that the statements were "statements of fact or mixed statements of opinion and fact" and second that these statements were false. Conversely, a typical defense to defamation is that the statements are opinion. One of the major tests to distinguish whether a statement is fact or opinion is whether the statement can be proved true or false in a court of law. If the statement can be proved true or false, then, on that basis, the case will be heard by a jury to determine whether it is true or false. If the statement cannot be proved true or false, the court may dismiss the libel case without it ever going to a jury to find facts in the case."

Rendo should have a permanant link to the wiki article as often as that is brought up here.

But for example:
If someone blatantly lies about a member in a forum.  It is obviously a provable lie.  Then the member takes that issue to Moderators and they do nothing, not even respond to the member.  Then rendo would be in liable.  

I think I have dejavu...

Ahh, I drop in the Poser forum once in a blue moon and it seems there's always one of these threads running. Even the US govt gets a mention. Love it! Of course, I say "seems" because to say categorically that there is always one of these threads running would (perhaps) be seen as libellous and I'd hate to see someone laughed at by a judge.

There's always something special about a crushing of dissent thread where the dissenters feel crushed because they weren't allowed to crush a dissenter. Come along chaps, if you want to be free-speaking artist-radicals you're just going to have to learn to take it on the chin when your latest creative expression is compared unfavourably to the appearance of your mother during fornication the previous evening.

And fuck, you can even say "fuck" in the forums nowadays and not have your account suspended by someone inanely irritating who also feels the need to explain to you the benefits of a caring and sharing community (fuck that, too!). Off topic rants and political slap fests are permitted. Even I'm starting to like what they've done with the place.  Isn't competition marvellous?

"Can't we all just get along?"

Nope. Great, ain't it?

whoa!  I just popped in because I was shocked to see PJF's name at the end of this thread.

carry on...

Hey, having long given up hope for awe, I'll run with shock...

Please be assured the larger text above was a formatting blunder. I seek attention as much as the next sad little centre of the universe, but generally have enough reserve to not shout about it.

(pretends not to notice 3-DArena's avatar)
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*And fuck, you can even say "fuck" in the forums nowadays and not have your account suspended by someone inanely irritating who also feels the need to explain to you the benefits of a caring and sharing community (fuck that, too!). Off topic rants and political slap fests are permitted. Even I'm starting to like what they've done with the place.  Isn't competition marvellous?

Wow!...So who was runnin' the place back then Ward or June Cleaver?

Quote - Wow!...So who was runnin' the place back then Ward or June Cleaver?

Nope, it was the owners of the site.

back from the grave: And those owners are gone now too. that was back when the place was a tad more open and friendly than now though.

Although..there are now about 100,000 more members here, so you're bound to end up with a few more aholes than before.

*Although..there are now about 100,000 more members here, so you're bound to end up with a few more aholes than before.

Ah...Kinda reminds me of when webtv came out.