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Subject: How we are all treated here at Renderosity as Client, Sponsor, and Vendor


patorak ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:21 PM

*And you would have a lot less products to choose from and a majority of the character skins would really, really, really be BAD!

Not everyone will pay for a subscription to 3d.sk to get studio quality textures suitable for skinning.  Moreover, having a camera doesn't mean you can use it worth a darn.  Taking a picture for the family scrapbook is VERY different than taking studio quality photographs for use in 3D texturing.*

Nah...I don't think so...



Khory_D ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:23 PM

"That's like me walking into the local supermarket and DEMANDING that they carry a specific brand of hot sauce just because I like it."

Actually you don't have to demand just ask, they consider it a customer service and unless they can't get it they are often happy to order the item.

If products are going to be refused because the markets are glutted with them, and yes I think that there needs to be a push away from the glut of "pretty Vickie's" and other add on type items, then it needs to be a clear policy that applies to everyone evenly. If there are issues with the product, keeping in mind that odds are that refusal or acceptance by brokerages is based on promotional images and not the actual quality of the product itself, then it would be perhaps in the best interest of the brokerages to encourage and support content creators so that rather than alienate them they build up a loyalty that might pay of down the road after the creator is well established.

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Morkonan ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:24 PM · edited Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:24 PM

Quote -    So I guess it is my turn now..let me see..how shall I start?
 I will start by saying how I feel about what I have seen here so far.
There are 4 types of posters here. The first are the honest ones. The second are The Spammers who abuse this forum just to write anything silly to place their Spam. The Third are plugins from Renderosity themselves and Fourth are those Like one of you said the sockpuppets,  but for Renderosity not from me. I have also realized by all of this that there is a Clic or shall I say a Clan or maybe a Society ! That does not welcome the fact that some strangers come in.
 Now let me answer most of you as short as possible cause I have other things to do in life than spend my day on forums.
   Most of you have "Missed the Boat completely". My Question was "How are we all treated here at Renderosity as Client, Sponsor, and Vendor?" And I have given you a short personal example of How a Vendor was treated and how I myself as Sponsor and Client had been treated. First let us start again from the beginning....... Ciao.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...  I already read your opening post.  There's no need to restate it.

Quote - ...(But the real reason I think RO  turned it down is because is a Black Character) and Black Characters are difficult to work with since you really do need some good experiance with your lights etc and get a good render to bring out the best of the char's features. So indeed  she would sell less but don't come to us and say that she she would not. Or is it that some are afraid of good competition and are protecting their preferances?...

That's a load of horse hockey.

First of all, I'll say this: From what I saw of the character where it is now being sold, it wasn't worth paying for.  That is the honest-to-goodness truth.  It isn't because it was black.  It was because it appeared like it was very a very poorly done collection of 32+ Merchant packs.  I saw nothing original, interesting, innovative or appealing in that product.  Nada.. Zilcho.. Zip.  That has nothing to do with the character being black.  Not one thing.  It just looks plain "bad" and not worth buying.  There was nothing at all unique about the product or even half-way interesting.    Who's fault is that?  The artist may be the most talented person to grace the face of the planet.  I don't know.  I certainly can not tell that from the way the product was presented and certainly can't tell that from the content listing or the description of the features of the product.

In my opinion as a customer and 3D hobbyist along with my years of practical business, marketing and managing experience:  In short, it wasn't worth hosting because it probably wouldn't sell in the highly competitive V4 cornucopia of already poorly done characters.


Morkonan ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:27 PM

Quote - >> "So I guess it is my turn now..let me see..how shall I start?"

I'd recommend by STFU and learning a few things from some of your fellow members, but I see it's too late for that.

/win

:)


Daidalos ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:36 PM · edited Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:40 PM

*"The second are The Spammers who abuse this forum just to write anything silly to place their Spam. " *

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet the pot.

"I'd recommend by STFU and learning a few things from some of your fellow members, but I see it's too late for that."

Good advice there.


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patorak ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:39 PM

*I don't know how you're going to get that price.  How did you get around the copyright laws?

Fer cryin' out loud!!!

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/15780
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/weapon-x-3d-ma/339424
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3ds-max-spider-man/330068



Morkonan ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:43 PM · edited Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:44 PM

Quote - "That's like me walking into the local supermarket and DEMANDING that they carry a specific brand of hot sauce just because I like it."

Actually you don't have to demand just ask, they consider it a customer service and unless they can't get it they are often happy to order the item.

I agree.  As a matter of fact, I do that with a store locally.  There's a Cincinnati style chili I can't get where I am that is GREAT for making conie-style hotogs.  So, when it's time for the World Series, I get them to order some for me.  They're a national chain and the manager is very happy to order whatever they can for me.  Ain't customer service great?   :)

Quote - If products are going to be refused because the markets are glutted with them, and yes I think that there needs to be a push away from the glut of "pretty Vickie's" and other add on type items, then it needs to be a clear policy that applies to everyone evenly. If there are issues with the product, keeping in mind that odds are that refusal or acceptance by brokerages is based on promotional images and not the actual quality of the product itself, then it would be perhaps in the best interest of the brokerages to encourage and support content creators so that rather than alienate them they build up a loyalty that might pay of down the road after the creator is well established.

IMO, it's not that they need to artificially reduce the number of "Pretty" vicky products but to encourage unique products.

One thing I CAN'T STAND is "Dialspin Characters" being sold.  It's just plain stupid.  I'd never knowingly buy a dialspin character.  What's the point when I already have it?  What, I pay for some numbers to input into a mesh?  GG, thanks but no thanks.

And, that's the problem.  You see, most everyone is working within a narrow range of choices when working with the mesh.  They're not actually "modeling" anything.  They're spinning dials.  Whoopity doo!  What really needs to be done are original morphs, not dialspins.  Luckily, Z-Brush is out there and will help many people get over their dialspin addiction once they have saved up the cash.  There are very few character packs out there that I see which have "original morphs" on the label.  That's darn sad...

As far as clothing goes, here's the rub: Modern Humans wear underwear, pants, shirts, blouses, skirts, shoes, hats and coats.  These are all bilaterally symmetrical.  We're neat that way.  However, there is only so much variation in these things as far as the construction.  Materials, well, that's a different story altogether and the fashion industry is ga-ga over materials.  But, once you have reached a certain point, someone has already done it.  It may be for another figure but, with conversion utilities, that's not a problem. 

When you add in the fact that the base meshes are all that are being tweaked and not many people are doing custom morphs AND that clothing only has so much variation before everything starts to look mundane.. Well, there ya go.

Producers must start producing "unique" and "interesting" products instead of dialspins and "just another texture pack" type of products if they want to contribute something useful and excite people.  Otherwise, we'll be cursed with dialspins and the 50 thousandth denim/silk/rubber texture pack for the same darn pair of morphing jeans for the rest of eternity.

(I really hope the influx of new 3D applications will encourage more people to begin producing unique and innovative products.  Maybe, someone out there will "Get" what I'm talking about.  Time will tell if they end up producing exciting products before I hit my stride and start vendoring my own.)


Morkonan ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:48 PM

Quote - *I don't know how you're going to get that price.  How did you get around the copyright laws?

Fer cryin' out loud!!!

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/15780
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/weapon-x-3d-ma/339424
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3ds-max-spider-man/330068

OK... how did they get around the copyright laws?  :)

It's just a question but, perhaps, another thread is better.  Their possible infraction does not speak to anyone else's.  Someone else selling a likeness does not count at putting it in the public domain unless, and only if, the original copyright owner knows about it and actively chooses not to attempt to block it.  (Even then, it's iffy.  But, the artists around here know the ins&outs better than I do.)


patorak ( ) posted Thu, 29 January 2009 at 10:58 PM

OK... how did they get around the copyright laws?  :)

Contact the admin at turbosquid,  I'm sure they have the answer.



patorak ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 12:00 AM

Hey Morkonan!

Man,  I owe you big time!  Forget turbosquid.  Gonna contact Marvel' licensing dept and see if we can become the official supplier of 3d Marvel characters.  



Morkonan ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 12:52 AM

Quote - Hey Morkonan!

Man,  I owe you big time!  Forget turbosquid.  Gonna contact Marvel' licensing dept and see if we can become the official supplier of 3d Marvel characters.  

Good luck man!


LostinSpaceman ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 1:11 AM

Quote - *I don't know how you're going to get that price.  How did you get around the copyright laws?

Fer cryin' out loud!!!

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/15780
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/weapon-x-3d-ma/339424
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3ds-max-spider-man/330068

The first link item has already been pulled. I suspect the next two will follow suit once the right people are informed.


Morkonan ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 1:16 AM

Quote - > Quote - *I don't know how you're going to get that price.  How did you get around the copyright laws?

Fer cryin' out loud!!!

The first link item has already been pulled. I suspect the next two will follow suit once the right people are informed.

Whoops...


Talwicca ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 2:31 AM

Hello. This is Talwicca and this thread is about me and one of my products. I feel I need to clear a few things up. Bob is one of my sponsors, he buys all my products and so has a vested interest in my work. What he has posted was done because he is my sponsor and was sticking up for me, which is fine with me. I am selling Timba elsewhere so I do not care that she has been rejected, although I do think that they could have given me a better reason than they did. The market is continuing to receive V4 characters on a daily basis so saying that they are saturated with V4 characters is not a good reason. It does not help me know what to create or what they feel will sell at all, and isnt that what we venders need to know? Over half a dozen of my testers and product users have used Timba in their work and have found her a very buyable product.

I respect Bob's view on the policies being a bit biased, and when he told me that he was going to post in the forums I agreed that he could discuss the product. I do not want the name of the product or my vender name withheld like I am afraid and hiding. I think Timba is a great character so I am not ashamed to let people know of which product we speak. I am not hurt or angry about the rejection but I am disappointed that they could not come up with a better answer or reason as to why she was rejected. Was there an errors? I do not think so because I have several testers who helped me fix any that were found and I will tell you one of my testers is fantastic when it comes to finding problems, also she was accepted by another store quickly.In fact I think all my friends were more effected by the rejection than I was.

I hope that if anything, this forum posting will maybe urge Renderosity to give a more detailed and helpful reply in the case of rejections So that vendors will perhaps know what products are needed and not waste their time on trying to make ones that are not currently needed in the marketplace. Timba is not a high end model for which I would have to charge a high price, but she is as good as any other V4 character that is in the price range targeting buyers who cant afford 20$ characters in these financially shaky times. There aren't enough characters in that category as there is, in my honest opinion. One thing was said that I will correct personally, Someone said that my resource list was almost as long as the file list for Timba. That was an oversight on my account. I keep a template readme.txt listing all of my resources so that I do not have to look the names up every time, I take out the ones not used when making the final readme.txt. I missed that step. But that does not make Timba a bad product. We are all human, aren't we?

Also I would like to say that there were several extremely derogative remarks aimed directly at Bob and at myself in my absence, that only shows the intelligence and level of manners of the people that said them and I think we all know who those persons were. I myself am appalled by their lack of etiquette. This will be my only post on this matter.

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jartz ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 2:39 AM

Quote -
I agree.  As a matter of fact, I do that with a store locally.  There's a Cincinnati style chili I can't get where I am that is GREAT for making conie-style hotogs.  So, when it's time for the World Series, I get them to order some for me.  They're a national chain and the manager is very happy to order whatever they can for me.  Ain't customer service great?   :)

Ah, as a fellow Cincinnatian, I can be very proud of the chilis they make as well.  You can't beat that. 👍

Quote - One thing I CAN'T STAND is "Dialspin Characters" being sold.  It's just plain stupid.  I'd never knowingly buy a dialspin character.  What's the point when I already have it?  What, I pay for some numbers to input into a mesh?  GG, thanks but no thanks.

And, that's the problem.  You see, most everyone is working within a narrow range of choices when working with the mesh.  They're not actually "modeling" anything.  They're spinning dials.  Whoopity doo!  What really needs to be done are original morphs, not dialspins.  Luckily, Z-Brush is out there and will help many people get over their dialspin addiction once they have saved up the cash.  There are very few character packs out there that I see which have "original morphs" on the label.  That's darn sad...

I can say that I'm one the guilty parties with a "dialspin" character disorder, lol.  On a serious note, creating something unique takes time and practice and I'm not knocking that out at all  And you're right:  we're being bombarded with the same things over and over just right here, the only uniqueness I see are from the likes of Aery Soul and Blackharted just to name a few, but an array of the supermodel/girl-next-door/ sci-fi babe types can be done a bit much -- when's M4 gonna get his spotlight? 

For me, I just made a custom head sculpt of M4 from Hex 2, at least it counts to something.  Man, I would give my right arm to own z-Brush/3D Coat just for making custom morphs or just creating something alone.  But, if I ever try to sell something here, I would like to stand out from the crowd. 

One thing I've learned that this is the "real" world, even with Reality TV, there's always some winners and losers, acceptance and rejection (how well I know rejection in my own life), take it for what it is and move on, I'll say.  That's what life is all about

I just couldn't resist Markonan's reply of Cincinnati-style chili -- not to get off topic though, but I wanted to put in my few pennie's worth on the subject.

JB

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ernyoka1 ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 4:36 AM

Quote - I got a question...  How many sockpuppets are going to participate in this thread?

Sockpuppets? There are no Sock Puppets in this thread! How dare you imply such?!

Oh and what TrekkieGrrrl said was right! ;)


Morkonan ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 1:06 PM

Quote - I can say that I'm one the guilty parties with a "dialspin" character disorder, lol.  On a serious note, creating something unique takes time and practice and I'm not knocking that out at all  And you're right:  we're being bombarded with the same things over and over just right here, the only uniqueness I see are from the likes of Aery Soul and Blackharted just to name a few, but an array of the supermodel/girl-next-door/ sci-fi babe types can be done a bit much -- when's M4 gonna get his spotlight? 

As far as being "guilty" don't worry about that.  I was more ranting on the plethora of dialspins then decrying them as not having their place.  It's also a matter of personal preference for me and I wish I had been more clear on that.

Quote - For me, I just made a custom head sculpt of M4 from Hex 2, at least it counts to something.  Man, I would give my right arm to own z-Brush/3D Coat just for making custom morphs or just creating something alone.  But, if I ever try to sell something here, I would like to stand out from the crowd. 

That's awesome!  See?  That's what I'm talking about!  You've actually produced something uniquely yours!  If we had more products like that, containing things that only the artist themselves cold have produced, there wouldn't be as many complaints about how "Everything looks the same."  There are only so many variations on the same theme the market can bear.

Quote - One thing I've learned that this is the "real" world, even with Reality TV, there's always some winners and losers, acceptance and rejection (how well I know rejection in my own life), take it for what it is and move on, I'll say.  That's what life is all about

Absolutely.  And, the wonderful thing is that even though there is rejection in the World, there is ALWAYS acceptance somewhere as well.

Quote - I just couldn't resist Markonan's reply of Cincinnati-style chili -- not to get off topic though, but I wanted to put in my few pennie's worth on the subject.

A roommate of mine in college first introduced me to it.  Cincinnati-style chili on a big hotdog with a mound of finely grated medium chedder cheese stacked so high you can't see the bun and loads of tobasco or, even better, spread over vermicelli with cheese and tobasco... it's like ... awesome! :)


patorak ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 5:14 PM

*Sockpuppets? There are no Sock Puppets in this thread! How dare you imply such?!

Oh and what TrekkieGrrrl said was right! ;)*

Yep!  Good call TrekkieGrrrl!

OK Bob and Talwicca,  what's next?  DisneyWorld?

Good luck man!

Thanks!  We're working up the promo and we'll submit it to Marvel monday.



DarkEdge ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 6:47 PM

Quote - *"The second are The Spammers who abuse this forum just to write anything silly to place their Spam. " *Pot meet kettle, kettle meet the pot.

:lol:

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TrekkieGrrrl ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 6:51 PM

Quote - *Sockpuppets? There are no Sock Puppets in this thread! How dare you imply such?!

Oh and what TrekkieGrrrl said was right! ;)*

Yep!  Good call TrekkieGrrrl!

What? Who? Me?

I plead innocence. It's against the TOS to have more than one account. I don't know nothing about a sock puppet....

Good luck convincing Marvel, Patorak. And that was NOT irony in case you wondered :)

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patorak ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 6:59 PM

TOS???...Isn't that a Star Trek series?

Good luck convincing Marvel, Patorak. And that was NOT irony in case you wondered :)

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DarkEdge ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 7:14 PM

"nuff said." 😉

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Morkonan ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 8:29 PM

Quote - Thanks!  We're working up the promo and we'll submit it to Marvel monday.

Outstanding!  Way to go man!  Best of luck! 

Marvel > ALL ;)


Lillaanya ( ) posted Fri, 30 January 2009 at 11:24 PM

Quote - Hey Morkonan!

Man,  I owe you big time!  Forget turbosquid.  Gonna contact Marvel' licensing dept and see if we can become the official supplier of 3d Marvel characters.  

Good Luck!



patorak ( ) posted Sat, 31 January 2009 at 12:13 AM

Thanks!  Now if I can just make sense out of this...http://www.marvel.com/company/index.htm?sub=contact_current.htm



Morkonan ( ) posted Sat, 31 January 2009 at 3:41 AM · edited Sat, 31 January 2009 at 3:45 AM

Quote - Thanks!  Now if I can just make sense out of this...http://www.marvel.com/company/index.htm?sub=contact_current.htm

(Not trying to steer further offtopic but, since this is an important legal matter...)

1)  Firstly,

"Licensing -*Marvel asks that all requests for licensing information or proposal submissions be in writing.

Send your letter to:
Marvel Licensing Department
Marvel Entertainment, Inc.
417 5th. Avenue
New York, NY 10016"

*IOW - They want a hardcopy request and if you don't comply, they're not going to look favorably on your application.  Don't start off on the wrong foot - Compose a nice hardcopy request and include whatever information you think is relevent.  I'd think certain things would be important or necessary, such as -  a brief company history and mission statement would be needed along with examples of your work, your market penetration, public sales figures, employees and any special accomplishments your company has achieved.  But, you may want to ask them directly what they'd like to see...  (See below)

  1. Secondly,

"..Contact the Marvel licensing department online »..."

That would be for questions relating to their licensing in general and not for product licensing requests.  For instance, don't contact them online to request a license but, instead, you may want to ask them how long the typical review process is.  Or, you may want to ask what type of information should you include in your licensing request.  Once you have submitted your request, in writing, you may end up waiting for a number of weeks without a response and may need to check up on your application.  Then, you'd use that online form, more than likely.

Good luck! 

**Excelsior!! ** :)


patorak ( ) posted Sat, 31 January 2009 at 10:59 AM

Hi Morkonan

Got it!  Thanks for the explanation!   



Conniekat8 ( ) posted Sun, 01 February 2009 at 8:18 PM

I've never seen rendo reject a really good product.

If anything, I wouldn't mind it at all if they raised the bar a bit higher when it comes to products... but that's just my personal preference.

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Lillaanya ( ) posted Sun, 01 February 2009 at 10:10 PM

Quote - I've never seen rendo reject a really good product.

If anything, I wouldn't mind it at all if they raised the bar a bit higher when it comes to products... but that's just my personal preference.

I have to agree.



Morkonan ( ) posted Mon, 02 February 2009 at 8:25 AM · edited Mon, 02 February 2009 at 8:25 AM

Quote - I've never seen rendo reject a really good product.

If anything, I wouldn't mind it at all if they raised the bar a bit higher when it comes to products... but that's just my personal preference.

I think the "bar" is fine but there needs to be more of a way to differentiate between products.  How many times has someone clicked on a texture set thinking it might actually be a mesh?  Or, which characters are dialspins and which are hand done morphs?  Neither textures or dialspins are bad things.  But, they get mixed up in the soup of products so easily it's hard to wade through everything.  Then again, if things were more sectioned off, some sales in certain areas may drop because people simply wouldn't be aware of the product and their choices would be artificially limited.  So, there's a "method to the madness" there I have to acknowledge.

The one thing I really would like to see is more focus on the presentation of the product itself.  I would like to see wireframes, good renders using lighting available with the package and not just standard default lights, all angles of the products, etc..

You know, Renderosity would be GREATLY served if they incorporated a 3D object viewer into their product descriptions.  If they don't want to do it, which may be a bit too difficult for them to do considering all the products, then manufacturers of these products should be able to place links to outside of the site where specialized attention towards marketing can help boost sales.. like a revolving 3D projection of the product being sold.  Even a short youtube clip or even an animated gif of the product's lit wireframe revolving would be greatly appreciated.


pjz99 ( ) posted Mon, 02 February 2009 at 9:34 AM · edited Mon, 02 February 2009 at 9:35 AM

Quote - You know, Renderosity would be GREATLY served if they incorporated a 3D object viewer into their product descriptions. 

Unless there is a different method of doing this that involves doing the render of the image completely on the server side, the common way of providing what you're talking about is to actually send the geometry to the client (in this case the person browsing the market) and rendering it on the client side.  Inevitably, someone will find the details of how the geometry is being transferred and strip it out, and pirate the geometry/textures.  Cf. Second Life for a popular example.  I hope Rendo does NOT do this.  If there are screenshots that you feel are not representative of particular products, the fix is to complain about those misrepresenting screenshots.

Quote - Even a short youtube clip or even an animated gif of the product's lit wireframe revolving would be greatly appreciated.

That's a good alternative.

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momodot ( ) posted Mon, 02 February 2009 at 11:36 AM

I'm so tired of every user wanting to be a vendor and every vendor thinking they are a "professional". That is like a Sunday painter getting some pictures on the wall of the local coffee shop and expecting $5000 for a canvas given the work they put in... if they were a pro the canvas would be worth upward of $50 grand and the dealers would be coming to you (your agent actually). If you were a professional modeler or 3D artist you would be making $5,000 for a days work not bitching about mere hobyists not buying stuff for over $10. I have earned tens of thousands in royalties on a mornings work as a commercial artist back in my prime... anyone who thinks a professional and is making Poser content is deluded. A few hobyist who LOVE their work are paying rent with Poser income but those people would do the exact same work even if it derived no income. I have a long list of total crap I got at the RMP that I have no idea how it got through testing... stuff sold as Poser compatable that simply will not open or render in Poser... some vendors have made good with me and some have not. Seems to me a lot of the top content is far inferior to the old freebies. The people who stand out in terms of quality almost universally stand out as artists with unique vision. Often I buy there stuff just for the pleasure of viewing it on my computer since I could not imagine claiming as remotely my own anything done with it :)



LostinSpaceman ( ) posted Mon, 02 February 2009 at 11:54 AM

Quote - I'm so tired of every user wanting to be a vendor and every vendor thinking they are a "professional".

You are not alone!


RedHawk ( ) posted Mon, 02 February 2009 at 12:11 PM

Quote - I'm so tired of every user wanting to be a vendor and every vendor thinking they are a "professional".

Methinks that sums up this entire thread nicely...

<-insert words of wisdom here->


geep ( ) posted Mon, 02 February 2009 at 3:20 PM

Quote - "I'm so tired of every user wanting to be a vendor and every vendor thinking they are a "professional". "

Yup. 😄

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Conniekat8 ( ) posted Mon, 02 February 2009 at 5:05 PM

Quote - > Quote - I've never seen rendo reject a really good product.

If anything, I wouldn't mind it at all if they raised the bar a bit higher when it comes to products... but that's just my personal preference.

I think the "bar" is fine but there needs to be more of a way to differentiate between products.  How many times has someone clicked on a texture set thinking it might actually be a mesh?  Or, which characters are dialspins and which are hand done morphs? 

LOL, yea I hear ya, every year when they do their 'suggestion' pool, how are we doing thing, I write in how marketplace classifications/categories need to be better defined.... So it goes.

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Greywolf Starkiller ( ) posted Tue, 03 February 2009 at 12:59 AM

I love it! We don't agree or support the sockpuppets....er...users, and that makes US bad
mannered and lacking in intelligence?! {SIGH} I work in customer service, and I have to
say that the average IQ of John Q. Customer drops like a rock EVERY year. I believe if
those two, ah, individuals, and their sockpuppets, leave, the average IQ of the R'osity userbase
should go up by several points. :) I also absolutely HATE the playing if the race card. It is a
sign of the unimaginative mind.

Greywolf


Lzy724 ( ) posted Tue, 03 February 2009 at 1:10 PM

Quote - I'm so tired of every user wanting to be a vendor and every vendor thinking they are a "professional". That is like a Sunday painter getting some pictures on the wall of the local coffee shop and expecting $5000 for a canvas given the work they put in... if they were a pro the canvas would be worth upward of $50 grand and the dealers would be coming to you (your agent actually). If you were a professional modeler or 3D artist you would be making $5,000 for a days work not bitching about mere hobyists not buying stuff for over $10. I have earned tens of thousands in royalties on a mornings work as a commercial artist back in my prime... anyone who thinks a professional and is making Poser content is deluded. A few hobyist who LOVE their work are paying rent with Poser income but those people would do the exact same work even if it derived no income. I have a long list of total crap I got at the RMP that I have no idea how it got through testing... stuff sold as Poser compatable that simply will not open or render in Poser... some vendors have made good with me and some have not. Seems to me a lot of the top content is far inferior to the old freebies. The people who stand out in terms of quality almost universally stand out as artists with unique vision. Often I buy there stuff just for the pleasure of viewing it on my computer since I could not imagine claiming as remotely my own anything done with it :)

There are few vendors that I will pay over 20 dollars for an item and that is mainly because time after time they have proven themselves and its always quality stuff.  There are many items I wont dish out that kind of money for.  Sad, but true, promos really make the product.




Daidalos ( ) posted Tue, 03 February 2009 at 1:48 PM · edited Tue, 03 February 2009 at 1:49 PM

Patorak if you do get to become thier official distributer I'd very much like to work with you since I have created some of the marvel comics textures for the Gen 3 Bodysuits for myself a time or two. :lol:


"The Blood is the life!"

 


patorak ( ) posted Fri, 06 February 2009 at 10:38 AM

Patorak if you do get to become thier official distributer I'd very much like to work with you since I have created some of the marvel comics textures for the Gen 3 Bodysuits for myself a time or two.

Cool!  Pm me.



McGrandpa ( ) posted Sun, 15 February 2009 at 12:25 AM

@ patorak
@ daidalos

Have you read this from the Marvel site?

http://www.marvel.com/company/index.htm?sub=submissions_current.htm

My 66th Birthday PC Build (July 1, 2020) :  named BadMoonRYZEN!, W10Pro x64, Octal Core RYZEN7 X3700 4.05 GHz, 64GB DDR4 RAM, GeForce RTX 3060 - 12GB GDDR6, PP2014, PP 11, P12, PS-CS4 Extended & Vue 2024.

McG.


McGrandpa ( ) posted Sun, 15 February 2009 at 1:00 AM

About the Renderosity Marketplace store and all the hooplah about product rejection.

Item type redundancy.

oh, yeah, the whole arena is flooded with Victoria 4 character sets.   I've bought over 150 V4 character sets.  Primarily to get good skin mats.  TEXTURES.  I can dial great character morphs, those aren't needed.  It's a lot more difficult to create great texture sets.  And out of all of those I bought, there are very few that I actually use.  Ya live and learn.   I've learned who a few of the artists are who create excellent textures for skin mats.  And some who don't.  Yet.  There IS a kind of sameness going around with the character sets for V4.  How could there not be?  It is a human figure, so what kinds of variations will be workable and wanted?  Same for the clothes.  How many different bikinis, mini skirts, nighties and such do we have available?  TONS.  Are they different enough, fittable enough, and attractive enough to be salable?  I'll quote JenX here.
"Welcome to the real world, where in order for a store to take your stuff, they have to want it."
And the stores are gonna want stuff that stands a chance of SELLING.   No matter how excellent your character set or item is, if it can't get by that line you may need to regroup and work something else up on the drawing board.
Last point:   "I spent a LOT of money here...."
ROFL!!!  That one just cracks me UP!    Hey, how much is a LOT of money?  $10,000.00 USD??
I betcha fully half of the regular customers have LONG since passed the $1,000.00 line.    Thing is, yep you spent the money.  AND you got the content or software from that purchase.  So you spent a lot of money and got a lot of stuff.  So?   What else can the Store OWE you?  Civility, respect, politeness?   I get that from them and I think we all do.   Consideration as a vendor/artist?  Go back to that "Welcome to the real world" line.   Cause you just crossed into an entirely different realm.
One caveat to being a KNOWN GOOD artist whose works do sell well is that the venue you are operating from will indeed favor your submissions.  And why NOT?!?!   Gee whiz, if I was the store THAT would be very near the top of my acceptability criteria!!!!!   You betcha New Artists have a right tough time of getting something accepted or even just looked at seriously!
These stores are a tough sell and rightly so.   Look at how many new submissions for V4 character sets come in every week.  OR new lingerie, bikinis, shorts, HAIR.   It's a tough field.  It won't be easy.  Did someone tell you it would be? 
Renderosity ain't perfect.  But they're pretty darn good, IMO.

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McG.


patorak ( ) posted Wed, 18 February 2009 at 9:58 PM

*@ patorak
@ daidalos

Have you read this from the Marvel site?

http://www.marvel.com/company/index.htm?sub=submissions_current.htm*

@McGrandpa

Thanks for the link! 



McGrandpa ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2009 at 12:21 AM

You're welcome!   Good luck to ya!  :D
McG.

My 66th Birthday PC Build (July 1, 2020) :  named BadMoonRYZEN!, W10Pro x64, Octal Core RYZEN7 X3700 4.05 GHz, 64GB DDR4 RAM, GeForce RTX 3060 - 12GB GDDR6, PP2014, PP 11, P12, PS-CS4 Extended & Vue 2024.

McG.


vholf ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2009 at 12:42 AM

I see this thread took a different direction but I'll just pust my toughts anyway.

I come to rendo because the quality of the products are high (higher than most of the other MP's I visit), they have high standars for the products they accept, and I like that, same wth Vicky's homeplace, its hard to find a low quality product over there. Sometimes I find products that are not up to the standars I'm used to see around here, and it surprises me because it's not common.

Now, its true there's a lot of the same, but that doesn't mean a product is bad, it's just not original, and that's another issue.

It might be true new artists get their product rejected while "favorite" ones upload just about the same, but somehow it's their right; from a bussiness point of view you are better off selling something with a known name on it. Also, more likely they didnt get their reputation just selling market common products, and they probably got many items rejected along the way too.


patorak ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2009 at 9:18 AM

You're welcome!   Good luck to ya!  :D
McG.

The Poser versions will be free.  I'm just waitin' on my tax return,  so I can buy Splinegod's Lightwave to Poser plug in.



SeanMartin ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2009 at 10:53 AM

>> "I've bought over 150 V4 character sets."

My Lord. You're a one-man stimulus package...

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patorak ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2009 at 12:19 PM

I'm so tired...

Then cut down on the caffeine and get a good night's sleep.

>> "I've bought over 150 V4 character sets."

My Lord. You're a one-man stimulus package...*

That's just a drop in the bucket compared to what studios spend on content.



McGrandpa ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2009 at 4:25 PM

Quote - "I'm so tired of every user wanting to be a vendor and every vendor thinking they are a "professional"
Hey!  I don't resemble that remark!  :)

"I've bought over 150 V4 character sets."
Yup, that's me.  :-p

My Lord. You're a one-man stimulus package...
Nah, just doing what all good li'l content junkies do! :-D

That's just a drop in the bucket compared to what studios spend on content.
Say now, isn't that what the Studios want YOU for?  :)

McG.

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McG.


patorak ( ) posted Thu, 19 February 2009 at 4:41 PM

That's just a drop in the bucket compared to what studios spend on content.
Say now, isn't that what the Studios want YOU for?  :)

LOL!  My boss says I'm a charity write off.



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