Quote -  All the dynamic poser hair i have seen has been disgusting. If i want chia pet hair, its great, but i've yet to see a good showing of dynamic hair. it always looks like hair plugs....

I really need to get my latest render off my iriver, it uses dynamic hair, and it looks extremely realistic. Fingers crossed I can find somewhere that sells the iriver cable (why do they insist on using a proprietary cable!?!)

 Bagginsbill, this is so you!:

Quote -  Bagginsbill, this is so you!:

I love those things. That's a good one. Yes I feel that way often.

Someone needs to make you an easily accessible bagginsbill FAQ that you can link to in such cases. The trouble with these threads is that it's very hard to find a particular bit of information.

Or, you know, more LOLcats. LOLcats make everything better.

 I'd be willing to contribute to a user manual. After understanding the baic math and how to setup VSS, I've started to understand not just vss, but good 3d lighting, how to mathematically predict and plan out shaders, how lighting affects those shaders, and how to combine all those into doing a composition without postwork.

There's the VSS manual by DigitalDreamer, which is very helpful. I'm sure if someone took it upon themselves to keep it updated, many a Poserite would be extremely grateful.

Quote - Someone needs to make you an easily accessible bagginsbill FAQ that you can link to in such cases. The trouble with these threads is that it's very hard to find a particular bit of information.

Or, you know, more LOLcats. LOLcats make everything better.

this is true. sometimes BB already answered my question. i forgot it so i am afraid to ask again because i really can not find it in this thread. its waaaay to many pages. i already have 10 links bookmarked from BB. i can not have them all.
there are a lot of good sites that give you free information and knowledge. in the corner you have a donation link where you can give them money to support their sites and their work. i think something like this could BB have. we would support him.

should we make an official bagginsbill thread where we can talk to him about everything? from hair,skin,reflection. not VSS because we already have a thread for this. should we? 

We have a forum for that. It's called the Node Cult at RDNA.

Really, that's why the forum was made. What you guys are saying right now, I could show you the same conversation at RDNA Poser forum.

Somehow it isn't recognized for its purpose by people here. You want to know about shaders? That entire forum is a book about shaders. Nothing else. Not one topic. And I'm talking in almost every one.

The only problem was it had a bad search engine, but I imagine that is fixed now with the new RDNA site.

i hope that the search was fixed because i never found anything. so we should use the Node section for this kind of talk?

i must say the forum looks now better and more normal .

 IM SO HAPPY about the new forums. I will probably exclusively post there instead of Rendo's cause Rendo's forums are total suck compared now LOL.

I hadn't noticed that RDNA was back up again.

i am dark_b at RDNA. dont be confused when you see a guy asking the same questions as here he he he

 Yeah as soon as I saw it returned I immediately jumped into the node cult section and already love it, SOOOO much information.

wow that forum is incredible

*The only problem was it had a bad search engine, but I imagine that is fixed now with the new RDNA site.

*It isn't (yet, I hope) As soon as RDNA was back on air, I tried to find about Oliver's hair shader, but it didn't find anything.

Considering dynamic hair, I really love it, but only with a dark shader like brown or black hair, but blond hair really sucks. I think the problem is that most blond hair shaders use the translucent  setting of the Poser-surface shader. But translucency doesn't work with ray tracing (as BB has showed us many threads ago), so you get light hair, where it's supposed to be dark (in shadows) I've did some experients with layered hair and giving the more inside layers lesser translucency than the outer layers, which gave some more or less satisfying results, but this is just a trick to mimic what it is supposed to be.

regards,

Bopper/

i dont even think pixar and ILM are doing hair that is translucence. they are faking it with extra lights.

this uses dynamic hair, and I think it came out quite well. and your shaders really help up the quality of this quick render

What sort of lighting did you use for that render? It looks like HDRI IBL, but I haven't seen many Poser renders that mimicked outdoor lighting as well as you achieved there, even with HDRI IBL.

Quote - Finally got my image up I wanted! only 3 days late

this uses dynamic hair, and I think it came out quite well. and your shaders really help up the quality of this quick render

you used raytraced shadows with dynamic hair? wooow. how long was the render time? 1 week ? :) he he he 

as to the question about lighting, I used GI for this scene.

the GI sphere (read hi res sphere) was blue-grey on the bottom (road) and pale blue on the top (using a color ramp and the v variable), with a single point light giving off an extremely pale blue/almost white light at 80%

I love this skin shader

really the hair node make the render long? 

that single node is kinda like having 2 color ramps, translucence, anistropic lighting and some kindof calculation that makes it opaque in shadows. its the last part that makes it really slow, even if you dont tick the option.

plus it look terrible

interesting

interesting

I agree!: very interesting, can you give a screenshot of your settings? Please?

Best regards,

Bopper.

 Hey BB, just wondering about some settings. I just used VSS on some tattoo skin and it fades out the vibrance of the texture. Im not really sure where to adjust it so the 'strength' of the texture is full ?

I've got an LCD screen and that skin looks AWESOME from here. Is that a Poser or DS render???? If it is, I'm amazed. But I don't have Poser 7 yet, so maybe I WILL be amazed?

Looks fantastic.

Laurie

My 2 posted images above are Poser Pro renders, the first has no postwork, the second has some raytrace shadow fixes.

if we use the eye white shader then we get this little SSS on the edges. but when the eye is in the shadow where there no specular is then the eye looks to red.

can we somehow make the shader that when specular is strong in the middle there is blue and on the edge red. but when the specular gets lower the eye gets more blue? 

less specular more blue? 

i was thinking maybe using your SSS from the skin shader and combine it with theGC reflection shader that you showed ? 

why is the SSS on your eye red?  i'd think it would at least be (off) white, or even the same as the diffuse map.

the red on the diffuse image is from the veins.

is the eye in the shadows not red?

eyes are absorbing the light inside. they have subsurface scattering.

first, no, the eyes in the shadows are not red.

yes, they have SSS.  so does milk.  neither have red SSS.  you could probably get away with red SSS where the veins are, because red SSS comes from blood.  but in the eye white,  there's whitish SSS.

how would you do it?

assuming no color correction? i'd pull my SSS color from the color map.  i doubt it would be accurate, but it would be much more accurate than a flat or random color. that way i'd get red where the eye was red, and off-white where it was off-white.  if i were bagginsbill, i'd probably have different SSS workings for the different areas, because i'm betting the sclera has very different SSS values than the sort of fleshy stuff around it and connected to it.  i've seen maps for eyes where the back and edge area were obviously supposed to be very fleshy, and i'm guessing those should have a different treatment.

and just as  by the way, skin doesn't have red SSS either.  it has  a combination of yellow, waxy dermal SSS and red subdermal SSS.  since we don't have layers in Poser, the best way to deal with this is use orange.  i personally do something kind of crazy and complex to drive the hue with the original diffuse map with the SSS burned in.  it works pretty well for me, most of the time.

Hi - all of a sudden VSS is not applying on top of the texture, but replacing it. Any suggestion on where to start looking? Seems to work fine on M4, but not V3/M3. I'm using Poser 7 on a PC.

Works fine with every model I render.  Are you applying a third party texture first?

Attached Link: Advanced Techniques for Realistic Real-Time Skin Rendering

Cheers,

Keith

Attached Link: High-Quality Ambient Occlusion

i allways like to read stuff like this.

thank you very much.

Quote - For the gear-heads... the link above is bound to be useful for something (may not be directly applocable/implementable, but may spark an idea or twenty).

Cheers,

Keith

ithink making the bump map a little more soft could help with skin poser

Excellent resources, Spanki.  Thanks for the links.

Attached Link: The Importance of Being Linear

Another interesting thing from nVIDIA is that their recent drivers (185.xx series) under Vista now offer realtime AO to any app/game that wants to use it:

Realtime AO

Right now it adds a large performance hit, but looks pretty neat and is still much faster then anything we can render in our various 3d apps. IMO they really should consider supporting it in the next Poser versions.

this is the best example. this is what BB was trying to explain.
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Yeah, that's one of the ones I was refering to - I've seen that inside Poser a lot (and in the Poser galleries, as well).

Attached Link: D3D11 Tesselation (in hardware)

(read down to where they start talking about PN Triangles - this is effectively what Poser does)

I have a problem with the Pr3 skinshaderprop:

I want to make a suntan shader for the chest, nipple and hip area.
I made a new materialzone: Template suntan, and attached the torso, the chest, the nipples and the hip rule to this new template in the shader rules. After I synchronised and rendered only the torso and the nipples had the new shader, but the hip-zone didn't.
I noticed that in the shaderrules there's a Asterisk missing after hip, so I made a new rule named hip but it still doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?

best regards,

Bopper.

When more than one wild-card (asterisk) rule matches, VSS uses the one that has more letters in it.

The V4 hip zone is actually not called hip, it is called 2_SkinHip.  Two rules match this: skin and hip.

The rule hip was generic and not specifically for V4 - it picks up other figures that do not use the word "skin" in all the skin zones. Because the V4 figure uses the word "skin" in every skin zone, you need to use a longer, more specific rule.

Try skinhip

I'll do that, Thank you very much.

best regards,

Bopper.