In a similar vein, there is another vendor who refuses to provide textures for the funny bone.  I won't mention names, but it rhymes with nubgraphick.  I like his female textures, but refuse to buy any of his/her male work as it is simply incomplete.

He/she generally, but not always, notes the lack of toast cover.

Poor form in my opinion.

Klebnor

 Seems like some people want to child-proof the universe. Serve the world right if the aliens that contact us look like giant penises. :laugh:  Maybe that's why they haven't contacted us already.:lol:

Its funny... with some earnest people I would not post anything using their stuff that might offend them but then there are sanctimonious others that make me want to put up a site dedicated exclusively to the most outlandish porn I could imagine to make with thier stuff. At least that's how it is for me.

I wouldn't be offended if someone called me a pornographer. That would put me in the company of some pretty outstanding authors and artists. Some accomplished pornographers have gotten the Nobel Prize for Literature and others have gotten big shows at the Museum of Modern Art in New York and the Met. Not bad company at all... even if you don't value those particular measures of success.

*Now I wonder where that paper cut was and how it got there?

I am trying to recall the passage in Kurt Vonnegut's "God bless you Mr. Rosewater" where Rosewater shows the narrator a Playboy centerfold and the narrator says "Yeah, a girl..." and Rosewater explains that it is in fact not a girl but a trick the magazine publisher plays using ink on paper. Anyone got that book that they could post the exact quote for me?

Artistic freedom goes both ways, though.  I recall a vendor who didn' t include genital textures because the she felt it would have been disrespectful to the character she had created.  The choice is then up ot the purchaser.

Of course, as Rosewater would have noted, these are computer data and not actual people nor parts thereof.

???? Outrage, moral indignation, denunciation of others over the objectionable LACK of genitals. The universe is an astonishingly amusing farce.

Why would I punish myself by not buying a product I can use, because I disagree with the ideas and opinions of the vendor? I read their explanation, shrugged, and bought the product. I can't convert the textures for myself without it. I have about 100 textures for more than a dozen different figures compatible with TC2. I can’t afford to buy drow, racial, or distinctively different textures for all of them. I buy stuff from websites that have products that I do not appreciate. Most of you would laugh at me if I passed up a good product because some of the products in a store made me uncomfortable. What would you advise me to do? Grow up.

It is as morally arrogant to judge some one else for what they choose not to do, as it is for them to judge you for what you choose to do. That applies whether people call themselves artists or not. This is simply not a pivotal civilization busting issue. I think many people in this thread feel judged and rebuked, which might not actually be the case, and you don’t like it. I don’t feel judged, and I wouldn’t care if I had been.

I don't really do nudes myself, but I don't care if other people do, nor condemn them. I can appreciate good artwork without being embarrassed over nudity. If I were talented enough to do textures, I would do the genitals for completeness sake. But, I respect people who feel differently, and if I see a texture I really like without a genital texture, I will probably buy it, and adjust a genital texture if I ever need one. I have dozens of them in my runtimes, want to see my collection?

As a health care provider I see way more people parts than I really care to see. The genitals of most males are not the same color as the rest of their skin. Does buying a texture mean that you have to use the genital texture if it doesn't quite match-up with the affect you are trying to achieve? In PhotoShop, one can alter the colors of a genital texture to coordinate well with the other body parts. If you have a lot of textures you have a lot of choices. I believe that Jepe has provided some texturing resources for some figures at another website. Yes, I visit every website I can find, even the ones that are not consistent with my interests. You never know where you will find a good product that you can use.

There are several generic male genital figures available that have been mapped to take several different figures’ textures. It seems to me that people who are really good at remapping whole figures would probably find the genitals much easier. Maybe one of the good remappers could be encouraged to do a little public service?

TC2 is one of those do something for yourself programs. Even if it converts a texture successfully, there will still be work left to do, if you want to use the textures well. If the vendor doesn't want to do everything for me, I can find other ways to do the job for myself. Apparently, no one who would know how to do so has felt morally worked up enough to make a plugin for TC2 to do this job. But if some one did make a plugin, I would probably buy it too.

Well, far be it from me to actually encourage people to violate their high moral standards and buy a product from a vendor whose lifestyle and mindset so offends their scruples.

LMK

Quote - Why would I punish myself by not buying a product I can use, because I disagree with the ideas and opinions of the vendor? I read their explanation, shrugged, and bought the product. I can't convert the textures for myself without it. I have about 100 textures for more than a dozen different figures compatible with TC2. I can’t afford to buy drow, racial, or distinctively different textures for all of them. I buy stuff from websites that have products that I do not appreciate. Most of you would laugh at me if I passed up a good product because some of the products in a store made me uncomfortable. What would you advise me to do? Grow up.It is as morally arrogant to judge some one else for what they choose not to do, as it is for them to judge you for what you choose to do. That applies whether people call themselves artists or not. This is simply not a pivotal civilization busting issue. I think many people in this thread feel judged and rebuked, which might not actually be the case, and you don’t like it. I don’t feel judged, and I wouldn’t care if I had been.

I don't really do nudes myself, but I don't care if other people do, nor condemn them. I can appreciate good artwork without being embarrassed over nudity.

So by your own admission you have no need for toast and do have need for neutered textures. That's fine and dandy for you, but what about the rest of us who do need toast to go with the whole loaf when we render? We're supposed to fork over our hard earned dough to someone who not only judges us, but refuses to offer the complete package? I think not. As for it being morally arrogant for me to judge them in reverse, who said I was doing that by not paying for their services? I think it's pretty morrally arrogant of you to judge people who need their toast for not buying a package that doesn't provide it.

The discussion isn't about people inflicting their convictions on people, it is about /how/ they express their convictions... respectfully like the 3D-Coat guy or offensively like the 3DU people. 

I will admit it... there are things I want that I will not buy solely because the vendor has expressed morally offensive (say anti-gay) views publicly. It does no good but there it is... I work from an emotional not a rational basis. There is a good reason IMO not to know the personal views of certain actors, artists, content producers etc.

The 3DU thing isn't an outrage or an insult to me but it puts them squarely on the weeny list for me. My complaint with them is not that they are judging me (what do I care about that) but that they are being whiny and petulant... very bad form I say!

If they had simple asked in a polite way that I not use their product in renders that depict genitals I could/would respect that. The 3D-Coat guy told me his story and perspective and asked me to follow my conscience in being thoughtful toward everyone and also toward his feelings in the matter. Given the tone of his request I would have honored it even without the back story or any details.

Quote - There is a good reason IMO not to know the personal views of certain actors, artists, content producers etc.

Exactly! I haven't seen a new Mel Gibson movie since his on air comments about gay men.

He's into gay dudes??

Boycotting something because it goes against your personal views is nothing new. That's not being judgemental, that's taking a stance - and sticking to it! 

There are things I won't touch with a bargepole either because the company has done some grossly unethical things or even in some occasions because their commercials makes me want to tear out my eyes and rip off my ears simply because they are that horrible.

That's MY choice. 

Boycotting works if enough people do it. It's a personal choice, but if everybody thinks it won't work so they won't do it - THEN it won't work.

Just to be clear, the reason I don't buy from vendors who omit genital textures is because they are selling a partial product.

What if they had a thing about faces, and provided textures without a face.  I don't want to waste my time trying to color match another face to match their body texture, no matter how nice it might be.

Sell me a complete product, or I move on.  As I said, I do buy female textures from the vendor in question, just not their incomplete offerings.

It's not really a boycott, just a choice not to waste my time and money.

By the way, that vendor has at least one product which clearly does not contain a genital map, and it is not mentioned.  That is tricky, if not deceitful.

Klebnor

Quote: He's into gay dudes??

Well, he didn't say that exactly but guys his age do have trouble expressing themselves :)

Yep! I most definitely won't see anything with Mel Gibson it it. My not going to see a movie with him in it desn't hurt him much but it does help me keep my blood pressure under control. Dude doesn't have to overshare the way he does.

I actually miss enjoying Swartzenager movies but I just can't anymore :( 

I like and respect some people with political or moral views diametrically opposed to mine but I just have a low tolerance for people who are weenies about it.

This thread is unbelievably entertaining. I am glad I decided to read it through. The irony is remarkable, and I surely have learned a lot.

"So by your own admission you have no need for toast,"

Admission? What an odd word to use. Is that a crime or transgression to you? No, I don't need much toast, but I like it to be there if I should decide I want to use it. Anatomically, real and whole people have nipples and genitals. I personally feel that it is part of a complete package, and I don’t think it is morally objectionable to put it in. I understand if other people do and would not for the world encourage them to violate their consciouses for me. I don’t need them to. I can adapt something I already have to do the job (even though I lack the talent to paint my own textures). I just don't get bent out of shape if the genital texture isn't there, because I am creative enough to use other resources. So are you.

How did I say I that I NEED neutered textures? All of the male body textures are neutered. The genital textures are separate for a separate figure. I thought I made clear in my post that, because there are plenty of options, artists are not very limited by what TC2 doesn’t do. Can you convert arm, leg, body, eye, fingernail, teeth, tongue, etc. textures from one DAZ figure to another without TC2? I can’t. I don’t have many programs that do every single thing I want them to do, which is why I keep buying more programs.

Interestingly, the 3DU people made their program expandable, so that if anyone wanted to add conversion abilities to their software for genitals it could be done. I guess they thought that was a fair compromise between the community’s expressed needs, and their feelings.

They also did not provide for the conversion of textures for female genitals, other than what is painted on the body texture (which is really unavoidable). There are 3rd party conforming figures for female genitals not just for males, which are not supported by TC2. I suppose I am dense, but I had really not pegged this as a gay issue. I supposed that if people had asked for conversion of textures for female genital figures, their answer would have been the same. I figured the 3DU folks found all sexual content objectionable.

I suppose it has to do with the lens through which one sees the world (theirs, yours, mine). I could have been wrong in my assumptions, I admit it, but seeing we are ALL working from assumptions, I might also not be the only one who is wrong.

I have to wonder, if some one did write that "toast" plugin, and the figure support it needs to do conversions between various models, would the boycott still be on?

"As for it being morally arrogant for me to judge them in reverse, who said I was doing that by not paying for their services?"

Indeed, who said that? Not me. Don’t put words in my mouth, I did not put any in yours. There are plenty of posts in this thread that have been judgmental, quite apart from buying or not buying anything. Can you find a few? You may feel judged by me, but that is your interpretation. I did not single you or anyone else out.

"I think it's pretty morrally arrogant of you to judge people who need their toast for not buying a package that doesn't provide it."

You make it sound as if the only texture that you need is the one for the genitals. I also made it clear that I don’t judge people who render nude figures. I would think it fairly ridiculous to render a nude with no genitals. I want you to be able to have textures that fulfill all of your needs. But, there are plenty of "toast" textures available that will do that, and I dare say you have some of them. If I am arrogant (or petty for that matter) I am in good and plenteous company here.

I have always liked you, LostinSpaceman. I am determined to continue to do so. I have to admit, Mel Gibs is over the top, and I don’t enjoy him any more, or a lot of other actors.

lmk

Hey man, not just dudes need toast, those chicks-with-dicks need toast too. See! Its not a gay issue!

Don't get me started with Poser and female genitalia!! It drives me positively crazy that the external genitalia on nearly all the female figures must be painted on. Why the hell don't the female figures have modeled genitals? I don't do erotic renders and the genitals on my renders are rarely over five or ten pixels square in a render but it is damn irritating I have to post work or use a prop to get the five or ten pixels unobtrusivly realistic.

The lack of detail makes stuff more pornographic IMO. When I go to my neighborhood bank or grocery store (well, actually anywhere in my neighborhood) and see the ladies in full hajib I feel like if I look them in the face I'm staring right at their private lady parts whereas when I was a dancer and later a painting teacher in the USA being even alone with a totally naked lady showing me her junk didn't seem sexual at all.

Now I am oversharing.

I tell you... I would be more upset that Poser figures had no anuses but the "bikini hip" rigging is so bad since abandoning the Poser 2 Nude Woman "bike pants" hip I wouldn't want to see what the buttocks bends would do to them!

Yeah! It is damn irritating when a figure is incomplete... I hate when figures don't have ear orifices and I am  also frustrated that I sometimes have to use prop eyes instead of the figure default eyes and I wish I could use geometry eye lashes more often but I have reconciled myself to transmapped lashes.

Prop vulvas are a real PITA.

Why is "bike pants" better? I'm looking at the P2 woman and I'm not sure what's definitive about her hip/leg rigging

There has been plenty of discussion on this. I don't know why DAZ does not make better female genitals. More polygons in the area would not make the figure remarkably heavier. Even if DAZ did not supply morphs, with enough polys, people who can make morphs would have something to work with. Maybe it is the whole family image thing. Could be a fear of government intrusion?

I think that the DAZ male genitals are a joke. Yes, I have looked at them, and tried them out on the male figures. They are in the package. People complain that they do not pose well and it is true. Is it the rigging? They certainly have enough polygons to provide 3rd party morphs, but I don’t recall seeing any packages at other websites.

I haven’t bought third party props, I will have to take your word that they are hard to work with. There are several 3rd party props for the males, and they look better in the promotionals than DAZ’s "toast."

I wish I could paint.

lmk

I think the WIP Antonia by odf has "Bike Pants" hips... the "bike pants" hip doesn't tear or deform as badly as the "bikini hip" in my opinion. Also the JCM joint fixes are easier to control. P2 Nude Woman could go through a wide range of leg movement and the groin wouldn't tear. There was over stretching of the genital area but that is easily fixable with joint parameter adjustment or even just a magnet. The result was that a half descent texture and bump map gave better genitals than the morphs and props for V4 do now. I don't need a mimic ready vulva... just something that doesn't look weird in normal artistic or everyday poses.

"I don't need a mimic ready vulva..."

I vivid and discriptive metaphore that I am unlikely to forget.

I am wondering how Eva, when and if she can be used and talked about, will measure up in this and every other area. She is supposed to have many more polys than DAZ figures. I have her, but I never even got her installed.

lmk

I actually find neutered models uncomfortable, maybe I have a castration complex but guys and girls without "toast" just feel wrong. Just my opinion.

I agree with you. Without nipples and gens I feel more like I'm just playing with dolls.

As far as Eva... She's comparable in poly count to Miki or Sydney so there is no excuse for bad gens

I believe in freedoom and freedom of expression, but it is a two way road.
They have the freedom to call me a "pornographer" and I have the freedom and right to call them "Talebans"!!
NOTE: The meaning of the word Taleban is the meaning used by Western media.

Is there interest for a "toast" converter M3 to M4?
I can do one, it only will turn a M3 toast texture into a M4 toast, nothing more.
NOTE: Toast = penis.

I put different junk on different base figures all the time... don't have to worry much about it if there is a nice transmap at the join... after all, as lmk pointed out most dudes don't have the junk too well color coordinated to the trunk.

Don't get me started on how practically all Poser skin textures have even skin tone stem to sturn. D3D Perfect Tan has been a boon to me... now I don't have to image edit to get tan lines. I have made my own "Farmer's Tan" masks to work with it.

I wonder... can toast be converted from M3 to M4 just using WardrobeWizard or XD? It is just a conforming accessory after all.

Biggest frustration with WardobeWizard is that it  is hobbled to not convert the extremities on a figure... I would have been so grateful if it had just done a check M4 geometry and .cr2 say in the runtime and if it found those let me convert the M3 Reduced Resolution to that form and rigging! Then I would have an M4 that took my M3 textures and could actual run on my old kerosene fueled PC. DAZ would not loose any money since I would have to buy the M4 morphs to convert over with D3D's Clothes Morphs and it would still need M4 clothes. Only the texture makers would suffer but they aren't getting my business on M4 anyway. I hate all these 75K to 120K figures with mesh that just ends up covered in clothes anyway.

I wish people would just release new figures as a morph to the Millennium 3 Unimesh base geometry and a .cr2 donor for rigging the new shape.

Quote - "As for it being morally arrogant for me to judge them in reverse, who said I was doing that by not paying for their services?"

Indeed, who said that? Not me. Don’t put words in my mouth, I did not put any in yours. There are plenty of posts in this thread that have been judgmental, quite apart from buying or not buying anything. Can you find a few? You may feel judged by me, but that is your interpretation. I did not single you or anyone else out.

"I think it's pretty morrally arrogant of you to judge people who need their toast for not buying a package that doesn't provide it."

You make it sound as if the only texture that you need is the one for the genitals. I also made it clear that I don’t judge people who render nude figures. I would think it fairly ridiculous to render a nude with no genitals. I want you to be able to have textures that fulfill all of your needs. But, there are plenty of "toast" textures available that will do that, and I dare say you have some of them. If I am arrogant (or petty for that matter) I am in good and plenteous company here.

I have always liked you, LostinSpaceman. I am determined to continue to do so. I have to admit, Mel Gibs is over the top, and I don’t enjoy him any more, or a lot of other actors.

lmk

Well I've gone back and re-read your post several times to figure out just what it was about your post that made me respond the way I did. Basically, you did put words in my mouth and the mouths of everyone else in the thread who has posted their views about 3DU's judgemental statements as to why they don't provide toast. Where did you do this you ask? Here's the quote:

Quote - Most of you would laugh at me if I passed up a good product because some of the products in a store made me uncomfortable. What would you advise me to do? Grow up.

You basically assumed we would all laugh and tell you to grow up for not buying a useful product that made you uncomfortable. In the process of putting the words "Grow Up" into all of our mouths, it looked very much as if you were telling all of us to "Grow Up" as well. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't want you or anyone else to "Not Like Me", but when I'm painted to be somehow silly for not buying a product that I don't find complete or useful to me AND is made by people who go about making objectionable statements about what I may or may not be doing with nude Poser figures, I'm not so certain I should care if you like me.

That being said, I'm not calling for you or anyone else to boycott the makers of 3DU. I wouldn't presume to tell anyone else how to spend their money.

I wonder if the 3DU guys won't buy figure textures by those perverts who include genital maps :0)

Maybe we need a "no nads" store for both male and female textures!

Attached Link: Channing's - Toast and Jam with TC textures

Be careful where you place the butter S.V.P.

Oooh, can we see a pic with the melting butter - never mind.

It seems to me that any impulse toward principle, whether you agree with the principle or not, is a good thing in most cases - especially when the alternative is ho-hum, accept the status quo, life must go on and goods must be acquired, don't let anything interfere with even the least non-essential bit of acquisition or profit, or hedonistic enjoyment. That's why I admire 3DCoat for leaving whatever money they may be losing on the table. I may accept and even respect 3DU's stand but I do not have to simply smile and ignore the fact that they are being, in my view, at best oddly tone deaf and yes, at worst insulting. 

Yeah, lmk, I get it, no skin off your backside, you don't care yada, yada.  I do however disagree with you attempt to characterize this as equivalent moralizing. No one has said that 3DU is evil, immoral or unethical that I recall (rude, weird maybe). They have essentially stated that anyone who disagrees with their position is "unethical" and a "pornographer." Apparently you aren't so sure about that,  no surprise since you state that the issue is of no relevance to you and apparently of no interest other than as an opportunity to show your disdain tough love for those who see it differently. 

Gee was that harsh? I always wonder. Oh well, life is too short and being liked is probably overrated, especially at my age.

I personally could give a flying broomstick if 3DU TC2 will convert M2's Toasts to Match M4 toast. If 3dU does not want to convert oh well. I will still but their products due to they are good products. Atleast 3DU stands up for what they believe in, I respect that, what I don't respect is the people who bash 3DU because what 3DU believes in.

I thought this was a community and not a bash fest.

Looking back at the original post, this whole thread is rather moot, as the poster wanted to convert V2 textures, which TC2 doesn't support...

I have a V2 to V3 converter already, so in theory I could have used TC2 to convert them on from V3 to V4.

I'm seeing red!

Ouch, my eyes! Quick apply toast to eyes!

I have dphoadley's V2 that takes V3 textures from CP and I really like it. A little expensive but I do like it. Can also be used for male figures with M3 textures. Very well done remap.

Right on lmckenzie. I too appreciate people having principals even if they are principals I don't agree with... better than the unconsidered life. I think I said 3DU were being weenies but only as an opinion you know, not a statement of fact.

There was a case where this model tried to sue someone for saying online that she was a skank and a whore. The court said she could sue on the latter but not on the former. Calling her a skank was a legitimate statement of opinion while calling her a whore could possibly be a misrepresentation of her professional endevours.

Man, what is the fun of forums if you can't gossip. Gossip strictly on Poser related topics but still gossip. Why does anyone have toast or toasters for that matter if not to occasion gossip.

Quote - I personally could give a flying broomstick if 3DU TC2 will convert M2's Toasts to Match M4 toast. If 3dU does not want to convert oh well. I will still but their products due to they are good products. Atleast 3DU stands up for what they believe in, I respect that, what I don't respect is the people who bash 3DU because what 3DU believes in.

I thought this was a community and not a bash fest.

Bash Fest Alert ...

Sooooo ...

... by that logic, we should all respect Idi Amin.  He was a very good cannibal, so even if you find eating the flesh of fellow humans repugnant, you still have to respect him for doing it so well, don't you?  That's what he believes in ... so, if you don't believe in it and try to call him on it, you're just imposing your bourgeois scruples on the poor guy.  Just 'cause he likes to chew the occasional femur is no reason to besmirch his good name, is it?

Or, just maybe, there's an implied disrespect for fellow humans embodied in the act of knoshing on their extremities.  Like the implied contempt for those who do not find the actual representation of the human form in art repugnant.

I'm just sayin' ...

Klebnor

Choosing not to add a feature to a commercial program is morally equivalent to cannibalism??

We live in interesting times...

I'm sold i think I'll go buy TC2 today

Now all my moral equations make sense! The missing constant? No toast=cannibalism!

Quote -

Bash Fest Alert ...

Sooooo ...

... by that logic, we should all respect Idi Amin.  He was a very good cannibal, so even if you find eating the flesh of fellow humans repugnant, you still have to respect him for doing it so well, don't you?  That's what he believes in ... so, if you don't believe in it and try to call him on it, you're just imposing your bourgeois scruples on the poor guy.  Just 'cause he likes to chew the occasional femur is no reason to besmirch his good name, is it?

Or, just maybe, there's an implied disrespect for fellow humans embodied in the act of knoshing on their extremities.  Like the implied contempt for those who do not find the actual representation of the human form in art repugnant.

I'm just sayin' ...

Klebnor

You are talking apples and nuts, mostly nuts.

What does cannibalism have to do with the fact a commercial product. I could see if you where comparing the fact microsoft does not include word with office. I'd say againg who gives a flying broomstick, cuz I use Open Office

Ah ... relativism raises it's head and casts a malevolent eye on the proceedings.

The use of the term "by that logic" signals an intent to provide an analogy.  Such analogies are often shaded toward the absurd, the better to illustrate the point.  Moral equivalence is a slippery slope.  The statement under consideration posits that one should be respected simply for standing up for what one believes in - without questioning the underlying belief.  This is intellectually facile.

All it takes for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.  ~  Edmund Burke

In closing, it does not appear to me that "choosing not to add a feature" is the same as crippling an existing capability in specific circumstances that one finds unseemly.

Klebnor

Hey, this thread is FOR people who CAN give a flying broomstick if 3DU TC2 will convert M2's Toasts to Match M4 toast!

You really can't understand an argument Reductio ad absurdum? The famed pornographer Plato based a whole career on that sheet. Raa as we like to call it is a legitimate logical argument not a fallacy. It does not imply a moral equivalence, it indicates a faulty reasoning. I believe you are giving us the old Reductio ad ridiculum in response.

I thought is was more 'res ipsa loquitur', myself.

Klebnor

My toast res ipsa loquitur!

Just so it doesn't drool.

Klebnor

Dude, my toast doesn't drool... my toast rules!

Rules exactly what I'm not sure though...

Poser, that is a commercial product, has its sale forbiden in Saudit Arabia due strict moral principles and who is found using Poser who knows how many lashes he receives....

One more analogy, this time without Idi Amin.

Of course, Idi Amin was very well received in Saudi Arabia, whence he moved in 1981 and lived happily ever after until his untimely death in 2003.

Klebnor

Damn!, we cannot get rid of Idi Amin. Let try Khmer Rouge principles.

Ah, but Poser is readily available in Cambodia since the Khmer Rouge were removed from power by Vietnam ... just as Idi Amin was removed from power by his neighbor, Tanzania.

It all comes back to Idi !!!

Little known fact - Idi loved toast !

Klebnor

LostinSpaceman:

Sorry to respond so late, I had bedtime, and a morning rush to work.

I accept the criticism. I was too amused about something which bothers a lot of people. I don't feel the same about the situation, or agree with much of the thinking here about the subject, but I was also not sensitive to the feelings of those who are disturbed by this, and I apologize. I still find the thread stimulating, except it has taken an odd turn this morning.

momodot:

I tried WW2 to convert the M3 conforming genital figure to M4, but the process tore the mesh of the genital figure (scrotum and shaft). The converted figure did conform to M4's hip zone. I did not experiment to see if I could improve the results with diferent settings, or if adjusting the figures morphs would help. In principle, it should work, but the genital figure is obviously more complex than a simple hip part.
 
I do not have CrossDresser, so I cannot try that. I am not up to playing with this right now. I don't feel at all well today, and I want to go rest. (Remapping the figures may still be the easiest solution).

Very, Very, Very off Topic:
Siltermermaid has some lovely textures (12) for V4 on sale at Contnet Paradise. A price each of $2.50 USD is hard to beat, even if one is not normally interested. I just had to tell some one.

LMK

Quote - I thought is was more 'res ipsa loquitur', myself.

If that were the case, you wouldn't need an analogy ...

*Quote: "I tried WW2 to convert the M3 conforming genital figure to M4, but the process tore the mesh of the genital figure (scrotum and shaft). The converted figure did conform to M4's hip zone. I did not experiment to see if I could improve the results with diferent settings, or if adjusting the figures morphs would help. In principle, it should work, but the genital figure is obviously more complex than a simple hip part."

Then I guess sticking with parenting the male genitals is fine... personally I wouldn't mind if things like shoes were rigged as parented posable props as opposed to fully conforming. It would make it easier to use different shoes on different figures. The hip rigging on shoes is a pain for all sorts of reasons... better just to have the toe and foot boned and the shoe parented IMO. Same goes for .cr2 Hair, more often then not I end up parenting it rather than conforming it.

Personally I don't like these posing penises...* often just tossing on Michael 1/2 spawned as a prop is adequate for me. I wish there was just more veriaty of static prop male genitalia instead of these super morphing posables. I don't animate so once I get the genitals posed I often just convert them into a fixed prop.

One thing I really like about Apollo is his integrated genitals. At least the G2 male genitals are made of fewer parts. I saw a thing on youtube by Phantom3D about difficulties scaling the M4 genitals... I mean to try propegatingScale to see if that helps with the smoothing and bending parameters etc.

Poser 5 Judy had nice reasonable female genitals. I notice Arduino and others put the female so far underneath the pelvis as opposed to in a more frontal position. I have never figured out why. I would say less then 1% of the naked women I have ever seen have those hidden vulvas you can't see from a frontal standing pose. Is it some sort of ethnic thing?

P4 Eve too had perfectly presentable genitals but V4 has a super weird groin I feel. Her thighs don't blend into her crotch. It is like she is wearing a bikini or her legs are just stuck on or something... no flow from legs to crotch. I find it very distracting. Far more so than the V2 or V3 groin modeling.*

BTW* My understanding of res ipsa loquitur is that it is a tacit substitution of supposition in place of logic or evidence actually. A polite term for a tautological argument. Namely, the parent's retort *"Because I say so!"

momodot:

WW2 will convert a conforming figure gential figure to a posable prop for the same figure. Conform M3 genital to M3, and change it to a prop. I don't know if there is an easier way, but as I have said, I will always find the hardest way to do something before I find anything else.

LMK