I'll admit to being somewhat of a gadfly at Daz (and RDNA and here) at times.
{{insert resounding chorus of "nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!" here}}
At Daz, I get worse treatment than being banned: I get ignored. Let me bring up the point about how my logging errors has been ignored by the bug-fix team, and that point gets ignored. Every now and then I am told not to be so negative, but mostly, my questions / issues / comments are ignored.

"Hell hath no fury..." :blink:

Quote - Saw the same thing earlier today... no real (or full) explanation, no nothing, anywhere.  If this was public, it should have been locatable somewhere on the site, or with screenshots, or...? 

Still reading through it for clues.

 

Edit - nope. Nothing by hysterical whining and ranting. :/

Nevertheless, was it really necessary to grab onto some tired old sexist hatred, and use it against Janl, just because you knew

she's female?  I find it tiresome and offensive.

@ pjz - Yeah, I don't get that, either.

@ Diogenes & Peng - Now I'm even more confused.  In any event, I don't know the circumstances surrounding the ban(s) so I can't really have an opinion.

In any event...

DAZ - and any other site - can ban anyone at any time, for any reason they like.  Their house, they say who can play.  I'd probably be pissed if I was banned from here but it's not the end of the world.

But I know you guys already get that. 

@ RV - I can understand how you feel.  Dunno what I'd do under similar circumstances.   I'm not generally known for me patience in RL - I'm much nicer here - but I also learned that stamping feet and having a tantrum gets me nowhere.  (I'm in the process of teaching my 2 year old that, too.  :) )  So, I can't say how I'd react.  I guess it all comes down to how much money I'd invested in something.  If it's nowt, I'd just ditch it and walk away.

Post before the thread is locked: never been in a locked thread before, and if ever a thread needs locking ...

Rªnce

Nah, there's life in it yet. :)

Nobody's actually drawn blood.  :lol: 

Well, I'm here just in case ;).  Some while back there was a questionable thread, back and forth, and I DIDN"T post.  Then the damn thing was closed.  Well, not this time.

-R

Rance! You're early still! The PTB are off on holiday and$#@^..*NO CARRIER....

Heh. Jus' kidding. 

The trick is to ignore the garbage, ignore the obvious trolls and tight-arses (...as /me waves at the newbie Tyler guy trying to impress his apparent online girlfriend... hello!), and get straight to the points that make sense.

The idea is to come up with good thoughts, and good ideas. To get past the obvious agendae. To cut the crap and get it all out in the open. To dispose of the mincing, the squeamish, and the simpering, whimpering troublemakers. To give the forum what it periodicallyand most desperately needs - a good, hard enema, and to sing a little while you slide that nozzle right into the forum's cramped-up backside and give that bottle a good hard squeeze. 

...but why? Because like real colons, forums tend to get clogged and stuffy. It's good to clear the air of all those foul odors, and the forum's analogic colon of old crap (see what I did there?). You know, to accomplish the stuff the folks who built this forum originally wanted to do, but then realized that they'd never want to allow for fear of getting a tarnished reputation amonst the credit-card-carrying public.

Ah, but you know as well as I that long ago, it happened naturally. On it's own. There was a whole pantheon of characters who happily took on the job: Legume, Ironbear, Ynsaen, and more than a few other crusty straight-shooters who added life, love, and the scent of roses to the fora. Kept those talking dried-up old maids at bay, and allowed room for folks to plunge in and grow themselves.

But hey - the night is still young, no? :)

Quote - @ pjz - Yeah, I don't get that, either.

@ Diogenes & Peng - Now I'm even more confused.  In any event, I don't know the circumstances surrounding the ban(s) so I can't really have an opinion.

Not much to be confused about, mostly because, once you sort out what really happened (assuming anyone would actually want to), it still adds up to the approximate weight of a flea's dingleberries.

Quote - I'd probably be pissed if I was banned from here but it's not the end of the world. But I know you guys already get that.

Pretty much. It's still fun to watch the simpering masses fall silent in the face of demands for something more in evidence than he-said/she-said, though.

Besides, it's taking a damnable eternity for this initial rsync to shovel over 500GB of hard disk backup over wireless from my laptop to my shiny new home server, and my wife and I got done with our annual Labor Day Closet Clearance back on Saturday.

(it's a tradition with us, of sorts. Renderosity shoots itself in the administrative foot, and I clean out closets of accumulated-but-useless stuff. As a result, we all end up entertained).

Boredom is the Devil's tool, I tell you!

Quote -   I guess it all comes down to how much money I'd invested in something.  If it's nowt, I'd just ditch it and walk away.

a-yup. :)

Where Drama Goes, Dragon Eggs Follow.....

Quote - Is this the very small independent site?

FGPlus • View topic - FG Main Thread - Where the fun and info is

It must be.  This page is interesting-some familiar names on that list...

http://fgplus.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6&start=26490

I'm not in the mood to try to discover what might have been said, but I think it may be the result of the inherent tensions between those who do 3D as a hobby and those who do it as their livelihood-the latter take things more seriously, as one would expect...

Your posts had me nostalgic of the way these forums used to be.

Thanks for the laffs...

Tom

Quote - Saw the same thing earlier today... no real (or full) explanation, no nothing, anywhere.  If this was public, it should have been locatable somewhere on the site, or with screenshots, or...? 

Still reading through it for clues.

 

Edit - nope. Nothing by hysterical whining and ranting. :/

You just didn't bother to research properly

http://fgplus.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6&start=26490.

that's interesting actually.  who is this RH to whom they keep referring?

Love esther

Quote -
You just didn't bother to research properly

http://fgplus.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6&start=26490.

Wait - you expected me to crawl back literally thousands of pages to find... wait, I see it now....

...yes! Thank you! OAMGWTFBBQ! Who cares about curing cancer!? We have the solution to the forum bans right here!

Oh, wait - it still ranks among the aforementioned hysterical rantings, but okay, we'll work with it.

Let's boil the synopsis down for our studio audience, but please, I urge you to go there and read it first-hand, since I cannot possibly match the sheer comedy. That said, I'll try to summarize it anyway (note that the following comments are paraphrased... heavily):

• "OAMG I just got banned! I'm sooo innocent!"
• "That really sucks, dearie... OAMG I got banned and I'm innocent too! I want a refund!"
• Official letter from DAZ is reprinted (finally!): "You have folks using your site to coordinate creating fake accounts to do stupid disruptive crap on our site, so we're banning the idiots. Here's the list. Do something about it or get sued."
• Forum mod (there) then craps his/her pants, then goes on to tell said individuals to knock it off.
• weird distractive crap about renders...
• "we're innocent! Innocent I tell you!" 

( side note: These protestations come in spite of the fact that half of these yokels probably can't even spell IP address, let alone know how to mask theirs. Odds are perfect that's how they were tracked down, and the 'planning' posts on said forum were probably found by a quick Google search... Anyrate - )

• "DAZ Sucks!"
• "I didn't get banned, but yeah, DAZ sucks"
• "It wuz Richard! HE is responsible - we're just secret Ninjas, n' stuff!"
• "Ah'm gittin the vapors! I need to be away!"
• (next page...)
• Site Admin: "Dear DAZ: Please don't blame me. My peeps are good, kindhearted people who cannot possibly hurt you so... we're just poor villagers..."
• "Yeah! We're innocent! Err, of what, anyway? Just to be sure, you know..."

And so on, so on, so on... 

(did you know there are multiple thousands of pages in that fscking thread? Dayam! )

Anyrate, it comes close, but only close. 

It's like a Renderosity Nivana in there, in a fashion. I think I can almost see the PTB here writing FGPlus for pro tips...

Quote - that's interesting actually.  who is this RH to whom they keep referring?

Love esther

Richard Hazeltine? (he's a DAZ forum mod last I checked). 

Of course it could be "Right Hand", or "Ratchet High", or "Risky Horrors", or maybe "Real Heavenly" (like they were admiring his washboard abs or something...)

Quote - Rance! You're early still! The PTB are off on holiday and$#@^..*NO CARRIER....

 

Heh. Jus' kidding. 

 

The trick is to ignore the garbage, ignore the obvious trolls and tight-arses (...as /me waves at the newbie Tyler guy trying to impress his apparent online girlfriend... hello!), and get straight to the points that make sense.

Ah yes, the inane ramblings of an egomaniac who thinks far too much of himself, and of his supposedly innate wisdom.  Funny how it always happens that the sexist haters think there's something of value in doing it. And then nobody speaks up because too many still actually think that way.

Oh yes, it's funny all right, using your sexist hatred just because you know Jenl is female.

Quote - summary of a bunch of weird crap

to be fair, reading that stuff it sounds like at least some of them admit what they were doing was out of line (post by Sunfire).

Quote - Oh yes, it's funny all right, using your sexist hatred just because you know Jenl is female.

hey since you're pushing this down even further how about a nazi joke to round things out, tia

I could never imagine DAZ banning that richard.  he is such a helpful bloke.

Love esther

Quote - > Quote - Oh yes, it's funny all right, using your sexist hatred just because you know Jenl is female - it's about as funny as jokes about lynching niggers.

hey since you're pushing this down even further how about a nazi joke to round things out, tia

Dear pjz99,  referring to it is not the same as saying it.  Please think it through. Also, I have asked a moderator what the policy is about sexist hatred on the forum, and sent along that particular post.  So yeah, I'm trying to do something constructive about it.  Thanks for your, er, advice...... though!

Ps: to pjz99 - you just did it yourself - you made a reference to nazi jokes, without acutally making a nazi joke yourself.  You refered to nazi jokes as a way of illustrating percieved lowness, and that is exactly what I'm doing - illustrating the lowness. 

We are on the same page!

Heroic attempts at having this thread blocked; unfortunately the cat (the 18 cats...) are out. The old adage says "A happy customer tells 3 friends, an unhappy customer tells 10". Imagine how many people pissed off (or betrayed) customers tell, especially on the internet.

Bye.

Well, I am grateful for this info; I had an issue with a couple of the FGPlus members (part of "the 18") being disruptive in a thread I was posting to at RDNA, so I've seen firsthand that they aren't nearly as sympathetic as they'd wish to appear. Now I finally have some context in which to place their petulant ramblings. I don't know about the other 16, as a couple of the names are also posters here, and don't seem to be the types to participate in such behavior.

gosh R_Hatch I have been wondering who the RH was.  It wasn't you they were referring to was it who started off the whole problem?

Love esther

Not I.

As stated above, until I read this thread tonight, I had no idea why certain people on the RDNA forums seemed to be fixated on derailing the topic and denigrating Genesis as much as possible. Now I see they seem to have an agenda.

Well, if not you, then who I wonder?

Genesis looks fine to me. I just won't be able to use it until it works in poser.

Love esther

Quote - Well, if not you, then who I wonder?

Genesis looks fine to me. I just won't be able to use it until it works in poser.

Love esther

Esther, your interest got me looking; I think rh and Richard are two different people-this seems to be Richard was blamed for...

http://fgplus.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6&start=26385

As far the apparent actions of those involved on both sides,  I tend to favour Bonaparte's observation that one shouldn't ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence...

RH could stand for anything...

Rich Heiress

Rancid Haggis

Rabid Hamster

Robin Hood

Radioactive Haemorrhoid 

Rogue Helicopter

Raving Homosexual

Room Heater

Reptile House

HTH :) 

WandW I read every post on that page but I still don't know the answer.  come on, give me a clue.  Who is RH?

     Esther, my guess would be Richard Haseltine, aka "Sir Richard".

     I don't really post a lot on the DAZ forum, so my knowledge is limited, but my personal experience has been that he is commendably patient with combative posters, is fair in his judgements as a mod, and is helpful with questions.

     His most famous quote is "Moved from Frepozitory to the Commons as it is a request for, not an offer of, a freebie."  :rolleyes:

     I don't know what transpired in this banned 18 incident, so I make no judgement regarding it.

no it wasn't him. 

He would never be banned. I have worked it out. it is someone who I don't know called 

RhFactor

Oh, I misunderstood;  I thought the RH reference was to the party who decreed the ban, i.e., the bannor, rather than a bannee.

It seems people are jumping to conclusions now.

Nobody mentioned any site or any people but still the lynch mob gather looking for anyone who resembles anything they want.

Time to move on people.

not lynching by any stretch of the neck er I mean imagination.  this thread just got me curious.  

I can't help it.

Love esther

Quote - WandW I read every post on that page but I still don't know the answer.  come on, give me a clue.  Who is RH?

I have no involvement, other than I know some of these folks from the DAZ forums (were they seem to be regular folks),  but I presume since Rh Factor is on the list, that's who they are referring to.  Richard is PaganEagle...

EDIT-You beat me to it, Esther.    Like you, Mere curiosity was my motive as well; I have no axes to grind...

Hi all, just to point out that certain members have been banned at DAZ due to posting things on FGPlus.

Others who never said anything about DAZ also got banned due to a nice person going on the FGPlus site and just noting down names of who appeared during a 24 hour period.

The person who was innocently banned was a PA from here at Renderosity. This was soon resolved when I got in touch with Kevin at DAZ.

At the moment a certain site will not let you say anything negative about anything on their site. They will delete posts, the will suspend or even ban members for the slightest thing.

So, an interesting thing to note is that we do know of the spies that have been cutting and pasting things from out forum to send back to others. It has been confirmed by non other than DAZ Kevin that they monitor our site and have done so for quite some time.

A member who had been given their posting privallages back at DAZ was suddenly banned. The reason, they had said something on FGPlus that they didn't like.

So, be careful what you say on various forums as there is always someone that will try and get you banned, no matter what you say and on what forum.

I am banned at DAZ and will continue to be so.

I was offered my posting privallages back in s Skype call with Kevin and I declined as I know that people would try again to get me banned again.

If you want to pop across to FGPlus then please do so.

All the best.

LROG

Having a read of the thread - that mega-huge one... took this "blonde" head ages to figure out that FG was "fast-grab". Some recognised-names on there. Quite interesting, all this... like a little slice of Poser/Daz history.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Oh yes, it's funny all right, using your sexist hatred just because you know Jenl is female - it's about as funny as jokes about lynching niggers.

hey since you're pushing this down even further how about a nazi joke to round things out, tia

 

Dear pjz99,  referring to it is not the same as saying it.  Please think it through. Also, I have asked a moderator what the policy is about sexist hatred on the forum, and sent along that particular post.  So yeah, I'm trying to do something constructive about it.  Thanks for your, er, advice...... though!

Wow, what a humanitarian!

While I can see that the stick probably helps with posture, doesn't it hurt?

Repetition breeds contempt - the first simpering attempt for attention was easy to ignore, constant reminders via holier than though editorials are annoying.

Hi RobynsVeil, yep, FGPlus was an off shoot of when FastGrab started at a certain site.

I and quite a few others ran the FG threads and were faster than the DAZ RSS etc.

Eventually they didn't like what we were doing, in effect, selling their products to members via renders etc.

So, FGPlus was started.

Yes, we have a BIG thread!!! Lol. If you manage to get all the way through it then you have a lot of fun with various things we did.

We do give honest opinions about things, we discuss anything and everything at times, and we have fun.

All the best.

LROG

A site like yours is long overdue. Good on you guys for starting it, Richard! Looking forward to having a read... great stuff (I'm on page 25 - better get to bed!).

Your welcome.

The site was made for people to give honest opinions, to learn new things (check out the I Want To Learn section), help one another and to have fun.

Plus our famous parties!!!!

The Halloween one will be full of spooky fun and freebies!!! We always try to giv back to the community with various things and anyone and everyone is welcome and they can even bring along their own freebies to add to the party.

All the best.

LROG

"

If you want to pop across to FGPlus then please do so."

well only to read.  I don't want to get banned.  It sounds bad, like being exiled to the phantom zone.

Love esther

Read, post etc.

We may not agree, we will discuss etc. and allow you to say it without getting banned or deleted.

The only people that get banned are spammers.

Also, you never know, you may be able to help someone who needs just a push in the right direction to get their project working.

We welcome all users, we welcome those that want to contribute to the I Want To Learn sections.

We welcome those that like fun!!!! Lol.

All the best.

LROG

Quote - "If you want to pop across to FGPlus then please do so." well only to read.  I don't want to get banned.  It sounds bad, like being exiled to the phantom zone.

Love esther

Don't worry about it esther, now that Richard has posted in this thread, I expect all of us were instantly put double super secret probation and/or banned! :laugh:

well as long as I can still buy my daz stuff from the phantom zone.

Quote - It seems people are jumping to conclusions now.

/me waves hand slowly, and says:

"These are not the conclusions you are looking for..."

No conclusions, really - just easy-to-make suppositions. You see, I know how the DAZ forum folk work because, well, I'm the one who built the DAZ fora.

That's right. I am the very locus of evil incarnate. 

It was an innocent mistake, but still evil now that I look at it in retrospect. It is only through irony that I have been allowed to live...

We were young, we were idealistic! We had only the best intentions at heart. Of course, tell that to the billions who died and the ruins of a once great civilization... snif.

Okay - in all reality, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what did happen, and Lo and Behold, the original conclusions jumped at (that is, watch what you say at DAZ because they somehow have hair-trigger banning instincts), turned out to be, well, dead wrong. As predicted.

Quote - Nobody mentioned any site or any people but still the lynch mob gather looking for anyone who resembles anything they want.

You are new here, aren't you?

(no worries, dearie - nobody's gonna hang anybody)

I'm only in it for the snicker.

Quote - repetition breeds contempt - the first simpering attempt for attention was easy to ignore, constant reminders via holier than though editorials are annoying.

But oy vey, the temptation to really have fun with it is powerful strong...

Quote - > Quote - summary of a bunch of weird crap

to be fair, reading that stuff it sounds like at least some of them admit what they were doing was out of line (post by Sunfire).

Good call. I was too busy having fun with it after confirming the fake account business. Once I saw that, it all started making sense.

No dramatics this time (in spite of a killer scenario of the Film Noir detective lighting a ciggie in the parlor, and... damnit! anyrate, serious analysis now):

My supposition is that the PTB over at DAZ saw some disruptive crap, realized that the IP addys of the disruptors matched those of certain posters there*, banned all accounts using those addys within the same time period, and 'ginned up a list. A quick Google search likely found the same fake account names being discussed at FGPlus, by many of the selfsame freshly banned yokels, which prompted the letter.

The letter and the bannings likely happened within an hour of each other, which is why we have the 'OAMG I got banned!' posts so close to the FGPlus forum mod doing a public display of it.

It was presented to the masses as a First Amendment Crisis (yes, I know there's no First Amendment on the Internet, bear with me)... in which the ban-ees were crying to all whom they think cared that they were unjustly banished,'woe is me', 'DAZ is going to go bankrupt because I won't buy their stuff anymore', etc.

Some of the suckers bought it hook, line, and sinker. It didn't sound right when it was presented as a case example of speech issues here, so I started asking questions here. 

Thanks to a bit of pecking, it was put to rest, and we all learned stuff. Even got a few laughs out of it along the way... and a mental image of enemas that damnit, I'm going to be unfortunately stuck with for a day or two.

But yeah - pretty interesting nonetheless.

• yes, yes, there are numerous ways of masking one's IP address via proxy. I sincerely doubt that they did so however --at least comptetently-- else that letter would have never shown up.

But oy vey, the temptation to really have fun with it is powerful strong...

"Please, Hammer, don't hurt 'em" :p

"

It was an innocent mistake, but still evil now that I look at it in retrospect. It is only through irony that I have been allowed to live..."

That's what you think.  Well perhaps you still call it living at this stage.  During the creation of the forum you were infected by something in the basement.  Something you should have walked past and ignored.  But you couldn't, could you?  You just had to take a look behind the door with the no-entry sign and the big letter G on it.  And now you must pay the price.  Bit by bit your cells are being replaced by polygons. You are morhing, penguinisto, slowly but surely, into that which you most despise.

You don't believe me.  Check the toast.  It's gone isn't it?

Penguinisto