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Subject: Miki4 Pics are here!
Quote: "We have many vendors at RDNA and Renderosity who have been developing content for the Tyler and Miki launch. It will be up to the community to support them and encourage them to make more! Current feedback is very positive - we think you're going to love this pair! (Best of all, to encourage adoption and to allow you to spend your money supporting those partners, both figures will be free for a limited time at launch for Poser owners!)"
Quote - Don't know if you already read the news; but both new characters are going to be free for a limited period of time. See print screen from Facebook page attached
Quote: "We have many vendors at RDNA and Renderosity who have been developing content for the Tyler and Miki launch. It will be up to the community to support them and encourage them to make more! Current feedback is very positive - we think you're going to love this pair! (Best of all, to encourage adoption and to allow you to spend your money supporting those partners, both figures will be free for a limited time at launch for Poser owners!)"
See pokeydots, page three ;)
Laurie
"It will be up to the community to support them and encourage them to make more! Current feedback is very positive"
Hmmm. I think the community is tired of supporting soon to be forgotten figures. I see no difference with these two "morphs". The marketing has been, well just as sad as before, the excitement is missing. Most of all, the confidence that support for these will last is non existent due to past patterns. Where is the Buzz? The thread on Subdivision in Poser (Regarding getting G smooth in Poser) is generateing more views and responses than this thread and Tylers combined. There is your realistic indication of community interest. This pattern of figure release does not work SM. When are you going to learn....People are tired of being burnt. Content for GND Anastasia is rare. Not even 4 pages of content here at Rendo, hardly any vendors are on her, so please tell me what is going to make them change their mindset about these guys? SM is Destroying community trust by releasing all these unsupported figures. By the time they do actually release something long term, confidence in the SM brand will be to low to show it any support in the fear that it will die like the rest. They are playing a very dangerous game. I have seen this happen before. Those who are gamers know the history of Sega and their Game consoles. SM is making the exact same mistake. I just hope they change their strategy soon.
I think your casting things in the worst possible light, but that is generally par for the course around here. If you take them at their word then there is content being worked on at release of the figures, so thats a big plus over anastasia's release. they are saying that it is up to the community to support that content. If anastasia had significant content support at release it could have really kickstarted adoption of the figure and encouraged more support. To say that SM arent doing something different this time seems pretty inaccurate, although I wasnt around for the release of the G2 characters.
Is snarlys subD thread getting more attention.. of course and it should. Nobody ever told us new figures werent in the cards for poser, but the widely held belief was that subD was not anywhere in posers near future. I dont know why anyone wouldn't have expected that to gain more attention.
I for one am willing to give this a chance. There is a ton of value in Ryan (and alyson) and probably Miki (never used or owned her). Putting a copy in everyone's runtime who owns poser creates an instant market for content creators to sell to, and I hope the ones that jumped on board do very well with it.
Quote - "It will be up to the community to support them and encourage them to make more! Current feedback is very positive"
Hmmm. I think the community is tired of supporting soon to be forgotten figures. I see no difference with these two "morphs". The marketing has been, well just as sad as before, the excitement is missing. Most of all, the confidence that support for these will last is non existent due to past patterns. Where is the Buzz? The thread on Subdivision in Poser (Regarding getting G smooth in Poser) is generateing more views and responses than this thread and Tylers combined. There is your realistic indication of community interest. This pattern of figure release does not work SM. When are you going to learn....People are tired of being burnt. Content for GND Anastasia is rare. Not even 4 pages of content here at Rendo, hardly any vendors are on her, so please tell me what is going to make them change their mindset about these guys? SM is Destroying community trust by releasing all these unsupported figures. By the time they do actually release something long term, confidence in the SM brand will be to low to show it any support in the fear that it will die like the rest. They are playing a very dangerous game. I have seen this happen before. Those who are gamers know the history of Sega and their Game consoles. SM is making the exact same mistake. I just hope they change their strategy soon.
Quote - > Quote - See pokeydots, page three ;)
Laurie
I think it is worth repeating though! :)
Are they here yet? :biggrin: It seems like I've been waiting an age for Miki4!
I heard it should be very "Soon" :scared:
Thought I saw a hint somewhere by the end of the week. But operating on little sleep so don't hold me to that.
Gary
"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"
Miki 4 and Tyler are being released at the end of September, that was said in one of the press releases.
So, no way will it be the end of the week.
As to content, I've said it before, learn to make things, not as hard as some try to make out. Start with dynamics and go from there.
All the best.
LROG
Who honors those we love for the very life we live?, Who sends monsters to kill us?, and at the same time sings that we will never die., Who teaches us whats real?, and how to laugh at lies?, Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend?, Who chains us?, and Who holds the key that can set us free... It's You!, You have all the weapons you need., Now Fight!
"For me, a good idea would be to have one base for each body type (not each ethnicity but each physical body type) and build a range of ethnic characters that fit within those 3 to 5 body types. It would, in my opinion, lend itself better to start with an overweight figure if my goal is to build one than it would to start from a figure with hard muscle cuts and try and get it to be overweight."
I agree with that, at least from a technical standpoint. Just because DAZ established the many from one model doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best way to go. OTOH, it is what people are used to so there's always going to be a demand for something along the same lines. While there are some very nice Asian characters for the DAZ figures, Miki has always struck me as the most authentic Asian.
It seems to me that these are 'stopgap' figures, something they could get out the door fairly quickly, with, as the hint suggests, more to come on the truly new figure front from SM. Now the conspiracy minded might wonder why the need to get something out since gospel states that G is dead to Poser users. Maybe they were already in the pipeline - competition is good though. I think that SM will try to come up with the versatile figure that people are asking for and we'll see how things shake out. They're probably quite a few of us who don't have the latest versions of either program and V4 will continue hold a portion of the market - maybe even the majority for some time to come.
"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken
V01f, you may be tired of alternate characters, but I certainly am not.
Right now the only one that I own that doesn't get extensive use is Eroko (no WW support).
On the other hand, she is a running joke in my storyboards .
(No Sir, Lt Eroko won't make the meeting, she's tied up right now.) :laugh:
There isn't a whole lot to say about Tyler & Miki 4 - we know when they are coming out and we only have a few pictures, in all honesty, how many "me too" posts do you feel is enough?
I like more individual characters. I am not interested in 1 male & 1 female mesh. I want lots of them. All different with flaws and advantages - bending isn't a big issue with me because my characters keep their clothes on.
The great thing about the Gen3 characters was that there were so many different ones (tall people, normal sized people, young people, kids, toons) - throw in all of the neat alternate figures & it is easy to build a menagarie of people.
If I need a fat guy, I am not starting with M3 or M4 - I am starting with Rikishi. He started out as a fat guy, so there is less work to make him the fat guy I am looking for. An M3 or M4 quite frankly is too much work to turn into a believeable fat guy.
As far as clothing content - yeah, I know Xdresser & WW aren't perfect, but I find it very difficult to believe that I am the only person that gets reasonably good results (a 90% solution) with them. I could take the "it isn't perfect" complaints more seriously if the people complaining are experts on all other Poser subsystems - like lighting, render settings etc.
With respect to "G in Poser" - We have had a year without DAZ - who cares anymore? With the execption of some of the monsters, the characters are simply variations of what has gone before, much like the clothing that has arrived for genesis. Been there, bought that.
Most people haven't tapped into G's abilities properly. They just do the basic stuff. This image is G combined with its heavy morph + M4 to create a fat guy combined with my custom face fat morphs from Zbrush which add weight to any face shape I dial in. Took under 10 min to create. Don't undermine the power of this figure. And this character works in poser, just with no clothes at the moment. Rikishi bends ugly in extreme poses. Plus his face is very distinct. Why use him when I have a fully weightmapped figure at my disposal that is more of a neutral base that can take any face/body moprh from the gen4 and gen5 Genepool? My point is SM's figure must be able to do the same, or at least be able to handle a wide variety of shapes we throw at it. Most importantly, developing content must be a simple process.
Agreed. Back on topic. Was just making my point. LOL I take it you don't like hairy fat guys. Can somebody post a wireframe of miki3's face? I don't have her installed. I want to see what can be done on the base to enhance Miki4.
Yes - get back on topic you guys! whip crack
Well, actually V01f, just before that... pretty sure Laurie would love to see your man's feet. Any chance of a quick pic?
The caucasian version looks a lot like my neighbour, Doris' last bloke actually...
LOL :lol:
Quote - Yes - get back on topic you guys! whip crack
Well, actually V01f, just before that... pretty sure Laurie would love to see your man's feet. Any chance of a quick pic?
The caucasian version looks a lot like my neighbour, Doris' last bloke actually...
LOL :lol:
I didn't save him. He is no more. Just made him quickly for the thread. But trust me when I say this, G has the nicest feet OR the ugliest:) All depends what you dial. She wouldn't want to see his feet anyway. Its full of foot hair and ingrown toenails lol.
Wait I'm confused here. Since Miki4 is based off Miki3, do you need Miki3 base in order to use Miki4? If that is the case then this figure will cost me $39.
Good question.
I was under the impression she was a stand-alone figure that just used Miki3's geo.
I don't have any of the miki figures, so I'd be in the same boat. But I've never really had an interest in any of the female figures anyway. The only ones I've liked are Shae and Ana. (but I'm partial to african women and you don't see that many of them in poser-verse)
~Shane
Well if she is standalone, that means logically miki3 would go for free. I don't see why they would keep selling miki3 and give out miki4 for free. So if the price remains, I suspect you need to purchase the miki3 base. If that is the case I will have to pass. $39 is a bit steep for a figure I don't really want. I never liked miki3...
Miki 4 will be given away for a limited time, that we know.
Will she be a morph of Miki 3, we don't know yet, but I doubt it.
Just because they intend to give away Miki 4 for that limited time does not mean that Miki 3 will become free for everyone.
Miki 3 will probably become less of a price than she currently is at the moment and Miki 4 will eventually take over that price.
I have an idea that Miki 3 will eventually appear on most 3D related magazine cover cd's.
Those in the know have NDA's, those that can give out official statements have done so, everyon else, including myself are working on assumptions and speculations.
All the best.
LROG
Who honors those we love for the very life we live?, Who sends monsters to kill us?, and at the same time sings that we will never die., Who teaches us whats real?, and how to laugh at lies?, Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend?, Who chains us?, and Who holds the key that can set us free... It's You!, You have all the weapons you need., Now Fight!
Quote - Will she be a morph of Miki 3, we don't know yet, but I doubt it.
Uhm, it says it right there on the Miki4 page:
Amerasian influenced, athletic physique is an anatomically accurate full body morph of Miki 3 with full Poser 9 compliant Vertex Weight Mapping for superior bending and posing and Subsurface Scattering for photorealistic skin.
http://poser.smithmicro.com/miki.html
~Shane
Here is what the product page say on the SM site
"Miki 4 from Smith Micro is sets a new standard for 3D Human characters for Poser. She's wonderfully life-like, richly featured, and very easy to use. Her defined, Amerasian influenced, athletic physique is an anatomically accurate full body morph of Miki 3 with full Poser 9 compliant Vertex Weight Mapping for superior bending..."
so I take it that she is a morph of Miki3 with weight maps
xpost 
You might as well PAY attention, because you can't afford FREE speech
Quote - > Quote - Will she be a morph of Miki 3, we don't know yet, but I doubt it.
Uhm, it says it right there on the Miki4 page:
Amerasian influenced, athletic physique is an anatomically accurate full body morph of Miki 3 with full Poser 9 compliant Vertex Weight Mapping for superior bending and posing and Subsurface Scattering for photorealistic skin.
http://poser.smithmicro.com/miki.html
~Shane
He he. Only just noticed your user name has changed Shane. Although I now realise it's been changed for a while now...
Didn't realise that was even possible! I'm going to miss typing "ExistentialDisorder". LOL 
I only linked Miki3 and 4 together because they share the same page and it does say that Miki 4 is a full body morph of Miki 3 and Poser users already have Ryan who Tyler is based on.
I just don't think we should worry about what the doubters say as I am sure everything will work out fine for everyone although I do personally have all of the Mikis in any case. :)
A brand new figure can still have a full body morph of a previous version.
All the best.
LROG
Who honors those we love for the very life we live?, Who sends monsters to kill us?, and at the same time sings that we will never die., Who teaches us whats real?, and how to laugh at lies?, Who decides why we live and what we'll die to defend?, Who chains us?, and Who holds the key that can set us free... It's You!, You have all the weapons you need., Now Fight!
Quote - It's also my website, and my e-mail, and my username on just about every other site I'm on. Just trying to keep things consistent.
I liked ExistentialDisorder years ago, until I realized the connotation of it's abreviated form. Then I started hating it. lol.
~Shane
ROFLMAO :lol: I hadn't realised that connotation, or shared acronym, till right now... he he... good idea to change it. AmbientShade is a good moniker
Quote - It's also my website, and my e-mail, and my username on just about every other site I'm on. Just trying to keep things consistent.
I liked ExistentialDisorder years ago, until I realized the connotation of it's abreviated form. Then I started hating it. lol.
~Shane
LMAO. Yeah, all that 40 over 40 stuff. At least up here in Canada, drug ads can't mention the specific condition they're supposed to be treating, so we don't hear the term every five minutes during prime time sports broadcasts.
PoserPro 2014, PS CS5.5 Ext, Nikon D300. Win 8, i7-4770 @ 3.4 GHz, AMD Radeon 8570, 12 GB RAM.
I thought I read somewhere from Teyon that some of the groupings may have been modified, or were considered for modifying. You dont do that or even consider that if its going to be released as a morph. Even adding weightmaps is a significant enough change to suspect that it will be relased as a full cr2 version of the figure. I very much doubt it will require Miki 3 to use.
Well I hope so. I just thought both of these were developed using the same technique using the bases of ryan and miki3 as a starting point. Tyler requires Ryan base, so automatically I assumed miki4 would require miki3 base.
Quote - I thought I read somewhere from Teyon that some of the groupings may have been modified, or were considered for modifying. You dont do that or even consider that if its going to be released as a morph. Even adding weightmaps is a significant enough change to suspect that it will be relased as a full cr2 version of the figure. I very much doubt it will require Miki 3 to use.
Yeah, read that too, I'm pretty sure...
With ryan being already weightmapped there proably wasnt the need to muck with him as much
Quote - Well I hope so. I just thought both of these were developed using the same technique using the bases of ryan and miki3 as a starting point. Tyler requires Ryan base, so automatically I assumed miki4 would require miki3 base.
But she didnt need to be released as a new figure afterwards.. dont get me wrong I'm not talking down the scope of the improvements BH has made, just saying that they probably dont require a different cr2, whereas Miki's differences include not only sculpting but rigging and possibly grouping.
When you do a morph there are a lot of ways you are shackled to the origional figure. If you are making it a new figure out of existing geometry, you are free to make more significant changes to make the whole figure work better or differently.
Quote - > Quote - With ryan being already weightmapped there proably wasnt the need to muck with him as much
I wouldn't bet on that - Alyson 2 was weightmapped & blackhearted said he had to move nearly every vertex.
Still not hot on Mikki's feet. I am a foot fetish guy among other things and for my needs the feel that Posette and all the Vicki figures up to now have been the best. I got severl morph packages for both V2 & V4 which make them even better.
Angela 1 & 2 also has nicely shaped feet out of the box and much more poseable boning system I think than even the Vicki figures.
Tyler's are ok from what I can see but still not as nice as M4.
Quote - Still not hot on Mikki's feet. I am a foot fetish guy among other things and for my needs the feel that Posette and all the Vicki figures up to now have been the best. I got severl morph packages for both V2 & V4 which make them even better.
Angela 1 & 2 also has nicely shaped feet out of the box and much more poseable boning system I think than even the Vicki figures.
Tyler's are ok from what I can see but still not as nice as M4.
bummer
Quote - > Quote - Still not hot on Mikki's feet. I am a foot fetish guy among other things and for my needs the feel that Posette and all the Vicki figures up to now have been the best. I got severl morph packages for both V2 & V4 which make them even better.
Angela 1 & 2 also has nicely shaped feet out of the box and much more poseable boning system I think than even the Vicki figures.
Tyler's are ok from what I can see but still not as nice as M4.
bummer
Yeah I just reread my post and realized how stupid I sounded. I really gotta get some sleep before I post on these threads. Sorry. Though it is the way i feel abour Mikki I guess i better keep the feet thing to myself. ;)
Quote - lol, no. I was actually being funny. It's fine that you don't like her feet. It's the nature of the beast: you can't please everyone. So do NOT stop saying what you don't like about our figures - it's the only way we can ever hope to get them to a point you will. :D
Your figure?
you mean you're their creator?
god it seems non i just told a parent their loved child is ugly.
the figures are actually not ugly and i have seen much nice work done with all the mikki versions and as much as i never liked her feet those of this newer version though not prominently shown in thes promo renders seem a little better but.
:(
I've only modeled Miki 3/4, the Poser 8 dog, Andy and Andrea, Hana, James Johnson and some clothing in my brief time as part of the content team. I like to think I'm getting better as I delve deeper into what makes a good Poser figure but I'm not deluded enough to think anything I've made is above improvement, so yeah, no worries about her little footsies. The info has been catalouged in my wee noggin' and will help make the Poser 10 characters all the better.
Edit: and Dregon...how did I leave him out? The rigging problems he represents was part of the reason we even have weight mapping. lol
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Well I like the look of the new figures feet anyway. Have to see how well they perform when I get my hands on them and start setting up some dance renders. From previous experience of Blackhearted's female characters anyway, Tyler's feet should be good!
I just hope they get CrossDresser support. Then I already have plenty of content for starters.
Never got a reply from EvilInnocence about the XD licence that was supposed to be on the way for Anastasia though :(