Quote - You need the companion poser files to use the Genesis Baby. You can either create them yourself in DS or wait for the vendor to release them.

Here's a pic with Basic Child and Hitomi at .5 - its great that we have new kids in Poser that can fit in most clothing items (using discretion of course, some outfits are just not meant for kids).

Will the figure take Gen 4 clothes (and textures as long as I'm asking), or do you need an addon for that?

Laurie

And BTW...omg...I got the GenEvolution Morph bundle and she has LOWER EYELIDS! I'm floored ;).

Laurie

The Daz store says I have nothing in my cart, but when I try to get the importer it says the maximum quantity allowed is 1. This is not encouraging.

Quote - The Daz store says I have nothing in my cart, but when I try to get the importer it says the maximum quantity allowed is 1. This is not encouraging.

 

Are you logged in? I had the same thing until I logged in and clicked on my cart and it was in there.

I didn't have any problems.

Laurie

Quote - Will the figure take Gen 4 clothes (and textures as long as I'm asking), or do you need an addon for that? Laurie

It would be possible to autofit Gen 4 clothes in DS and save as a .duf file + poser companion file to use in Poser. Without smoothing and collision the results might not be as good as clothes created specifically for Genesis. Gen 4 clothes loaded directly in poser won't work, you need autofit in DS.

Genesis will take V4, M4 and K4 maps - I think its possible to change uv's by using the MC6 presets first and then loading your map but I haven't played with that yet.

Thanks Mada :)

Laurie

These are the Genesis Evolution head morphs btw. They were all I was willing to buy until I saw how this worked and if I like ;). So far, I like it. Heh. To be brutally honest, I was still expecting a lot of hoop-jumping and to have DS installed. Pleasantly surpised. It's fairly seamless and easy.

Laurie

Thanks Mada and I'll have to make textures for the baby.  My next question is, I want to put muscles on M5 but when I buy them at DAZ, how do I install it?  Do I install it in the Poser library or DAZ?  This is all very confusing.

Install it the way you installed the GenesisEssentials you installed with the plugin. Point to the folder you installed the other genesis stuff in. It should all work, IF the morphs you bought have been updated that is ;). I made a new runtime for Genesis. That's where I installed the content. You can refresh the Genesis folder and when you load the figure it scans for the content.

Laurie

This makes me happy. It's a good thing.

Quote - Install it the way you installed the GenesisEssentials you installed with the plugin. Point to the folder you installed the other genesis stuff in. It should all work, IF the morphs you bought have been updated that is ;). I made a new runtime for Genesis. That's where I installed the content. You can refresh the Genesis folder and when you load the figure it scans for the content.

Laurie

Thanks Laurie, I'm gonna go buy them now.  I hope this works :-)

Quote - > Quote - Install it the way you installed the GenesisEssentials you installed with the plugin. Point to the folder you installed the other genesis stuff in. It should all work, IF the morphs you bought have been updated that is ;). I made a new runtime for Genesis. That's where I installed the content. You can refresh the Genesis folder and when you load the figure it scans for the content.

Laurie

Thanks Laurie, I'm gonna go buy them now.  I hope this works :-)

Worked fine for me :)

Oh, and thanks SM for opening up the plugin architecture and Daz for the plugin. I thought you and Genesis were a lost cause really ;). Glad to be proven wrong...lol.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Install it the way you installed the GenesisEssentials you installed with the plugin. Point to the folder you installed the other genesis stuff in. It should all work, IF the morphs you bought have been updated that is ;). I made a new runtime for Genesis. That's where I installed the content. You can refresh the Genesis folder and when you load the figure it scans for the content.

Laurie

Thanks Laurie, I'm gonna go buy them now.  I hope this works :-)

Worked fine for me :)

Oh, and thanks SM for opening up the plugin architecture and Daz for the plugin. I thought you and Genesis were a lost cause really ;). Glad to be proven wrong...lol.

Laurie

Laurie

I know I'm doing something wrong but when I installed it, I can't find anything.  I put it in the Smith Micro folder.

You mean the content folder or the program folder? You really DON'T want to put it in the program folder. Especially if you have Windows Vista or Windows 7. Those are write protected.

Laurie

Quote - You mean the content folder or the program folder? You really DON'T want to put it in the program folder.

Laurie

I put it in the main program folder of Poser.  That's where I put the starter essential stuff.  Should I put it in an external runtime and then name it Genesis?

Quote - > Quote - You mean the content folder or the program folder? You really DON'T want to put it in the program folder.

Laurie

I put it in the main program folder of Poser.  That's where I put the starter essential stuff.  Should I put it in an external runtime and then name it Genesis?

Yes, but I would defintely uninstall them first and then reinstall them to you new Genesis folder. You should never put content into the Poser 9/Pro program folder. There is a folder in Documents (if you have Win7/Vista) that contains all the Poser content.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - You mean the content folder or the program folder? You really DON'T want to put it in the program folder.

Laurie

I put it in the main program folder of Poser.  That's where I put the starter essential stuff.  Should I put it in an external runtime and then name it Genesis?

Yes, but I would defintely uninstall them first and then reinstall them to you new Genesis folder. You should never put content into the Poser 9/Pro program folder. There is a folder in Documents (if you have Win7/Vista) that contains all the Poser content.

Laurie

Okay, I'll give it a try.  Wish me luck :-)

I'm glad to see both companies making moves that make sense again.  I kinda figured that SR3 would open the door to genesis actually working close to correctly in poser.  That being said.. the depth of the money pit that I see looking at genesis will probably keep me from investing much into it. Unless there happens to be some MUST HAVE content coming out, though nothing I've seen so far has stirred me greatly.

Quote - question..how does clothing poke through gets solved without the option to apply smoothing?

I haven't seen an answer to this question and hope this will help you:

Step 4 - Help! It Does Not Fit! (scroll down to this step)

I give up!  I don't get it!

Ha ha!

I wasn't on the forum / online / checking emails for a day and check back in to both Genesis in/for/plus Poser (or whatever it's being called) being released (a month or so earlier than I expected) and SR3.1.

Nice...

It's a good thing for future proofing folks V4 and M4 content investments, I think??? Apart from anything else...

...but yeah, hopefully I can finally make use of the Genesis Evolution Morphs I bought a while back, in Poser. Yay! I hope...

Look forward to having some time to try it out...

Quote - > Quote - Will the figure take Gen 4 clothes (and textures as long as I'm asking), or do you need an addon for that? Laurie

It would be possible to autofit Gen 4 clothes in DS and save as a .duf file + poser companion file to use in Poser. Without smoothing and collision the results might not be as good as clothes created specifically for Genesis. Gen 4 clothes loaded directly in poser won't work, you need autofit in DS.

Genesis will take V4, M4 and K4 maps - I think its possible to change uv's by using the MC6 presets first and then loading your map but I haven't played with that yet.

I wonder how Wardrobe Wizard will do on this? ...I'll definitely be picking up Phil's Genesis figure definition now, I reckon.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Will the figure take Gen 4 clothes (and textures as long as I'm asking), or do you need an addon for that? Laurie

It would be possible to autofit Gen 4 clothes in DS and save as a .duf file + poser companion file to use in Poser. Without smoothing and collision the results might not be as good as clothes created specifically for Genesis. Gen 4 clothes loaded directly in poser won't work, you need autofit in DS.

Genesis will take V4, M4 and K4 maps - I think its possible to change uv's by using the MC6 presets first and then loading your map but I haven't played with that yet.

I wonder how Wardrobe Wizard will do on this? ...I'll definitely be picking up Phil's Genesis figure definition now, I reckon.

I suspect the Genesis support will have to be updated. I have no doubt Phil C will do so.

Luckily, I was able to use the small python scrap to convert .duf to .cr2 inside of Poser.

Just a quick render. Off to a busy day.

I converted my DAZ Slippers in minutes and it works fine in Poser now :-)

Does the mesh subdivision thingy produce more detailed models so that I have more to polys to play with using the Poser morph tool?

I am presently surprised at this thread and my initial 'yawn' reaction was due to my thoughts that it would quickly became another flame war.  I think the Poser heaven is over-egging it a little, althought I guess it might be for some (and in fairness there is a question mark at the end of the title).

So now I am following this thread with interest and what I really want to see now is some really stunning renders of Genesis in Poser.  I have not downloaded the new importer as I do not see me using it at this point and, although it is free, I have enough stuff filling my hard drive that I have purchased that I 'might' use to add more data I will not use.  My reason for not using it is quite simple, any money I had saved up, once a new Daz figure was rumoured, has long since been blown on V4 (now she is weight mapped) and new figures.  I may use Genesis if the expense is worth it but I am not blind to the fact that this will be a not unsubstancial outlay.  So I will start saving again and look make a decision in a years time or so time but if it is to be spent on Genesis it will because the renders I have seen show me it is a solid investment.

I will follow this thread and the galleries with interest.

The title of the thread is a reference to a DAZ promise from awhile back - that if Poser users stuck with DAZ, they'd be in heaven soon.  I think we can assume this plugin is what they were hinting about.

For those having problems "purchasing" the plugin...that's a problem many have been having for awhile now.  If logging in doesn't fix it, delete your DAZ cookies, clear your cache, and start again.  Their new web site really is a pain.

Following just for understanding if it's really worth or not.

Add it into the cart is easy, to install it... maybe.

Quote - Does the mesh subdivision thingy produce more detailed models so that I have more to polys to play with using the Poser morph tool?

Chances are you won't be able to use the morph tool on Genesis and keep the results easily. Morphs are dynamically read from the dsf files, so you need to be able to put your morphs back into a dsf file, which the morph tool won't do. Also, you need to morph using the base cage, which is unsubdivided. If you try, do it with the unsubdivided mesh.

hhhmmmm .... for those of us that have created quite a few conforming clothes for V4, do you think there would be enough interest in the new Daz figures now to make converting the V4 clothing for use with Daz Figures in Poser 2012 worth the time it would take? Just thinking outloud. There would be quite a learning curve to figure out how to make them work on Genesis.

Starting to give up the readme at DAZ is lously its really bad it does not explain properly and now everytime I try to run genesis the text appears at the top but the scene is completely blank and after reinstalling Poser and all the genesis stuff I am not even getting it to show up in the DAZ people folder!

Another question, for who downloaded it

Since is impossible to know the file size, what are the sizes?

According to chrome the genesis starter file is 429MB the rest dont go any bigger than 12MB

Hi fonpaolo

Most are pretty small, less than 10 meg. The biggest one I downloaded was the main file for use with Windows 7 64 bit. That file was almost 450 meg.

Edit: yep ... cross post with Demon.

DSON Importer for Poser Win32 is approx 8.5mb

DSON Importer for Poser Win64 is approx 9mb

GenesisStarterEssentialsPoserCF_1.6 is approx 12.5mb

GenesisStarterEssentials_1.6trx is approx 440mb.

These are the approx sizes for windows.

@demon2330, are you running Poser Pro 2012 with SR3, or SR3.1 even, installed? I'd guess SR3 is the minimum requirement, is that right? Not tried installing yet myself... hopefully have time and feel up to it later tonight

Quote - @demon2330, are you running Poser Pro 2012 with SR3, or SR3.1 even, installed? I'd guess SR3 is the minimum requirement, is that right? Not tried installing yet myself... hopefully have time and feel up to it later tonight

Its running Poser 2012 x64 SR3 reinstalled the update after reinstalling poser.

I forgot to add SR3 is the minium requirement for DSON

Thanks - I reckon I'll go with installing SR3.1 first perhaps.

I'd be surprised if there isn't stuff in there that is responding to the Poser + Genesis product's beta tester bug reports... aside from anything else.

Many thanks to everyone! :biggrin:

Order submitted, waiting to find the time to download all.

Ok. I installed it and gave it a go. Here's what I think:

The subdivision works like a charm. It gives great rendering results AND lightens the load when posing - Fantastic!

After loading the 'Sample Jeremy' mat I can use M4 materials. After loading the 'Sample Lana' mat I can use V4 Materials. - Fantastic!

The bending of the figure with the weight maps... Fantastic!

All I need now is a way to convert my gen4 clothes to Genesis and I'm completely sold!!

If the DSON installer uses python, should it be in the main (Ppro2012 runtime)?

The runtime Genesis_essentials are placed?

Does not matter..?

I installed the DSOI importer to my Poser runtime and I created a new runtime for genesis and installed both essentials installers into that.

That worked for me

I think both if the essential installers have to be in the same runtime and the add-on needs to be in the program files poser runtime for the importer to work

Just for imformation, for Poser users who would like to make morphs for Genesis, new UV sets etc, but really, really don't want to install and use any of DS4.5, there is one other option, though not free.

Dimension3D has made a product called DSF Toolbox (for sale at the DAZ store).

Just to explain quickly first for those not up on this. DAZ's new file format includes two types of file: .duf and .dsf. .duf files are User facing files (that is, the ones the user interacts with, like cr2s, pz2s etc in Poser. .dsf are Support files which sit in a data directory and the average user doesn't use them directly, kind of like obj files in the geometries folder in Poser.

Now, unlike Poser, pretty much all the data for a figure is in the .dsf support files. One .dsf file in the data directory contains the geometry (but NOT the UVs), default rigging and just a call to the default UV set (which can be overriden by the .duf file that calls for the Genesis, telling it to load with a different UV set). UV sets are each a separate .dsf file in a UV set folder alongside the base .dsf for the product; and each morph is also a separate .dsf file (which also contains the channel information, morph grouping for the morph, ERC, dependent parameters for the morph et al).

Now, Dimension3D's DSF toolbox lets you work with the .dsf files without using DS. With it, you can extract objs from base .dsf files. So you could e.g. use the DSF toolbox to produce the base mesh of Genesis in standard obj form to load into a modeller like ZBrush or whatever for some morphing - or even into Poser as a single obj for morphing with magents or morphing tool. The DSF toolbox also lets you turn compatible objs into .dsf morph files. So if you used the Toolbox to extract the Genesis base mesh as an obj and morphed it in ZBrush, or Poser itself, you can then use the DSF Toolbox to turn that obj into a .dsf morph file so the morph is then in Genesis next time you import Genesis into Poser. And DSF toolbox also contains a .dsf channel editor, so after creating the mmorph as abaove, you can then set up all the channel parameters for the morph.

And one final thing: if you extract the obj from Genesis as above and remap the UVs, DSF Toolbox will then create the UV set .dsf file so that when you nezt load Genesis the new UV set is available.

You can do all these things without the DSF Toolbox within DS4.5, of course. But the DSF Toolbox lets you do them without DS; and if that's all you want to do, then it's simpler than finding those functions within DS's interface,

And when I say Genesis above, of course it also applies to any other product in DSON format, like adding morphs to DSON/Genesis only clothing.

That worked for me.

Thanks for that. I'm sure many will stumble on this as most new DAZ installs are tricky

The DSON installer should be in your main Poser folder (/2012) so that the python scripts will run.

HeHeHe. I soon found that the content files cannot go in the programs directory of my C: drive, no matter what I do, but I did not put it there. I put it with all of my other runtimes on my E: drive. But, years ago, because of problems Poser had finding my runtimes, I put them all in a directory called "programs". LOL, it seems Vista protects EVERY folder named "program". I moved my Genesis folder out of that directory and everything runs well.

Even with all of the specific face part morphs that are presently offered as DSON compatable, there is less variety than we had with GEN3, and GEN4 figures. The eyes are particularly hard to alter effectively. With all of the morphs available for M4 and V4, I could make those figures look like about anyone. Not so with Genesis. The specific body part morphs are also scant.

Remember, with one of the unhide dial python scripts, you can unhide partial morphs. Some of these will work independently from their full body morph. You can use the M5/V5 head with several bodies, and visversa.

Also, some of the full body morphs produce too much change in some body parts, but you can't dial them back unless you change their Parameter Settings. If you add a -1 to Min Limit, you can dial back a morph that is set too high. Most of the morphs with a Min Limit of 0.0 don't do anything if the value of the dial is less than 0.0. Which is an unfortunate waste. :(

Individual body parts or areas do not scale well for Genesis. Seeing that figures made according to Poser specifications can scale better. The converted Genesis figure is still not Poser compliant on scaleing.

I may have to learn how to convert DS4.5+ content to Poser usable format for myself. Ninty-eight items are not many to choose from. Maybe we should have a thread for DS items that are not on the DSON list at DAZ3D, but which still work in Poser?

lmk

Thanks for the reviews, all.  Reading them with interest.

Still have not downloaded or installed this plugin myself, partly because I don't have time to figure it out this week, partly because I'm a little nervous at the reports some are having trying to uninstall it.

Do I have to buy something to try it out?  Or is there a figure to test it on in that Genesis starter essentials thing?