Can't think of anything else off hand apart from this "Parajumper Jacket".  Can't speak for anyone else but I think it looks very cool, and Roxie strikes me as cool by default, so such a jacket would suit her.

It's an everyday jacket that looks way cool and isn't what everyone else wears.  Women look cool in those no matter what, and if you fancy a challenge, well, there's a fair bit of stuff to deal with on that one!

Other than that, sorry, haven't a clue what else to suggest.

I thank you for all your freebies and for the info I've gained reading threads with your input Vilters, but I must agree with you on the shorts. I'm no content maker but even I've made a pair of shorts and a T-shirt or two in my time. Each takes less than 10 minutes start to finish.

No Zbrush here but the Morph Tool in PP2014 should make the folds and creases I would think.

To be honest, when I mentioned the shorts I had no idea how detailed he was prepared to make the models.  I agree the shorts would be easy to do in basic form, but not so easy to model with proper topologised folds etc.

Anyway, no worries on the shorts, not important.  I was just bumping his thread to help him kickstart it really.

Actually, I am a little dissapointed about the lack of interest for Roxie clothing.

I was looking forward to help end users that want to use Roxie but find no suitable clothing for the lady for their projects.

V4 has the slut market covered, DAZ does the fairy, super hero, and monster thing, and we realy do not need the 5.000 + bikini's or more already available and transferrable to Roxie through the fitting room.

As far as detail goes?
I build for full body renders (as seen in my promo's)
I do not build for close-up renders as they are less then 1% of all renders made.
They can be done, but then you would have to adapt the values of bump and displacement to suit the close-up.

And I use procedural shader setups limiting the use to Poser. => Roxie being a Poser figure.

Folds and creases.
Poser reads bump, normal, and displacement maps. And they can be build in the object file.
That gives you 4 ways to build creases.
However.
I do not like build-in folds on undies for multiple reasons.
The most important being, put some pants over them, and the undies folds will poke through.
In real life the pants would squeeze the undies folds flat, but this is not happening in 3D.
For a simple object like the undies, it would be to much work, with too much trouble afterwards.

Have a nice day all. Tony

Well, you're a better modeler than me Tony, but I always had a great deal of interest in the freebies that I made for Roxie and the other Poser figures. Problem is, you won't hear from everybody in the forums so you can't necessarily go by that. Make your freebie and post it in the Freestuff and ShareCG. That's where you'll see a better response.

This is a perfect example of why I think such things as Genesis, and technology to convert clothing across meshes is a very bad idea.

The only reason you don't need to model a bikini or whatever else exists, is because it can be converted easily.  Both DAZ and Smith Micro are shooting themselves in the foot and lessening the need for content vendors every time they release a technology that makes it easy to reuse the content people already own.  Surely that's no way to breed a healthy content market.

It just seems outrageously stupid to do that in programs which rely on content to keep them alive.  It can be likened to cutting your own wrist and then wondering why you could die because of it.

@ Pumeco

No, SM never focused on the content creators department.

They focus on the app, and provide the tools for the end user to cenvert existing content to other figures.
But with little or no content coming from SM , that leaves another problem for end users that have special needs. They have to search to find something convenient for the project at hand.

Hense the purpose of the initial question.

Now, I have an idea to "arm" Rex and Roxie against the new arrival at SM: Dawn.

But this is a complicated and long project as I have to build it for both, Rex and Roxie.

But when finished?
It will be free.

well my Roxie devkit should be out fairly soon at Hive, if it isnt already.  I hope the shoe bases should make it easier for people to make a variety of shoes for the figure more easily.  The kits are good for freebie use so I really hope that it encourages more freebies for some of the less supported figures.

I figure some vendors are intimidated by the weightmaps, since its not technology most are accustomed to coming from v4.  Its not all that tricky once you get used to it. The important part is to make sure to let poser regenerate the weightmaps, which means using the setup or fit room to copy the figures rigging to the clothing. Almost every other method ends up with some weird errors.

There are a number oflists for basic wardrobe for women but this is a list of sets I made ages ago that might be inspirational and a good base for figure support

Basicwear 1 - bodysuit (leotard, leggings, stockings, hose, socks)

Basicwear 2 - tshirt - long/short sleeve, turtleneck, jeans (bootcut, skinny, slim cut, relaxed) basic boot, glasses / sunglasses

Basicwear 3 - tshirt / tank / cami top, miniskirt, sandal, string pearls
stud Earrings (earring backs)

BasicWear 4 - suit - button down shirt, blazer, formal skirt, formal slacks, pumps, watch

BasicWear 5 - tight dress, clutch purse, high heels, bangles, hoop earrings

Basicwear 6 - 'MFD' style dress, overskirt, standing collar, puff sleeves, long sleeves

Basicwear 7 - Lingerie - bra, panties, boyshorts, thong, garterbelt, stockings, camisole

LM

I'll buy the shoe kit if it will tell me the secret to making a high heel conform to a flat foot.

Eclark

Theres tricks to it .. with shoes you have a few methods to deal with high heels.  Methods 2 and 4 produce models that can be converted, if thats an issue for you.

1  Model to a posed foot, group shoe to shin part and supply foot pose to put the foot in the shoe. PROS- easier to get a smooth shape. CONS- Requires users to read directions

2 Model the shoe as you like, then warp it to fit the flat foot and rig. Supply a high heel pose for it to be shaped suitably. PROS- works for genesis CONS - End user needs to pose the foot into a high heel pose, many poses are already built that way

3  Model the shoe as you like, being sure to complete cover the toes and foot parts. Group the shoe to the shin, and have the user turn off visibility on toes, and foot. PROS - Easiest CONS - Requires user to read directions

4  Model to the foot as is. Pose toes and foot bent for high heels PROS- easiest for end users CONS - Very difficult for the modeler to figure out how it is shaped

oh and the olde Prop method which nobody uses anymore

5 make each shoe as a separate prop. Load and parent to the foot. Pose the figure into the shoe.

And yes I go over all the methods in somewhat moredetail  in the tutorials for all the female sets that have high heel shapes and poses. No I didnt make high heels for mikey and so far nobody has asked lol

Generally shorter heels are easier, v4's bent foot does nicely for a 2 to 3 " heel. Flat footed figures are easy to do 1 " heels. Any more extreme than that and you start having to do all sorts of hoop jumping to get things to fit.

I've been experimenting with converting a pair of high heeled thiugh high boots made with technique 1. The v4 one rigged up fine, and I got the reshaping done to the obj for dawn and aly2 via the morph brush pretty ok. But the rigging is being tempermental.  I think my weight maps are complain that I went and welded verts on the obj outside of poser. So I think I may have to reimport and rerig to regenerate the wm.  Isn't poser fun ?

LM

Glitterati3d showed me your first method I believe and for the most part I've been doing heels about 2 or 3 inches tall. Although I really want to do a 4 to 6 inch heel for Roxie, which, to be honest, I don't think she can wear without a foot morph to arch her foot. I've actually done that though, so that's no longer a concern.

For the most part, except for a bra, I think i'm doing pretty good modeling wise.

Quote - With Roxie, it's a far different story because ultimately you need converters for it, because the demand for her isn't there, due to her non-existent marketing rollout, problems with the rigging, eyelashes and bending, lack of morphs, and no backing by the parent company.

ERmmm, milkids anyone?  Support? By the parent company? Third party?  Slall we say, even though they've been around the block a time or two, almost non-existent.

Studio won't run in any computer I have, for what reason I'm not interested in finding out.  End of gene thing discussion.

Doric

The Milkids weren't the only figures that DAZ never really got behind. David and Stephanie  suffered  from a lack of support, as did Sadie and the Girl. I don't know about Freak and She-Freak because frankly they held no appeal for me whatsoever. I don't think I have either of them in my runtime.

Still, I believe that people will use Roxie if more people would provide content for her. Granted, she'll never go toe to toe with V4, Dawn or Genesis, but given a chance I believe she can find a niche. Most people seem to see her as a teen. I've already got three outfits for her at CP, not to mention all the freebies I've done for her. Say what you like but that's more support than poor Luke had.

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ERmmm, milkids anyone?  Support? By the parent company? Third party?  Slall we say, even though they've been around the block a time or two, almost non-existent.

Actually that came down to the actual people buying items for it. Kids and teens don't sell beyond niche to have a dedicated figure, otherwise you would see more. That's far different from Roxie and Rex, who couldn't get more than two sentences on the Poser 10/2014 features page and you'd be hard pressed to find items specifically for them in the year they've been out. Still the milkids and teens came out with more morphs and clothing where you could get things on all the major stores.

Quote - Studio won't run in any computer I have, for what reason I'm not interested in finding out.  End of gene thing discussion.

Doric

Not sure how that's even a good criteria for judging a technology, when many more people have no trouble.

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ERmmm, milkids anyone?  Support? By the parent company? Third party?  Slall we say, even though they've been around the block a time or two, almost non-existent.

Actually that came down to the actual people buying items for it. Kids and teens don't sell beyond niche to have a dedicated figure, otherwise you would see more. That's far different from Roxie and Rex, who couldn't get more than two sentences on the Poser 10/2014 features page and you'd be hard pressed to find items specifically for them in the year they've been out. Still the milkids and teens came out with more morphs and clothing where you could get things on all the major stores.

You persist in comparing apples and oranges. Of course DAZ had morphs and clothes for the milkids when they came out. It was a product line. They'd be stupid NOT to have them ready if they expected a significant contribution to their bottom line. Rex and Roxie have no such expectation from SM.

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ERmmm, milkids anyone?  Support? By the parent company? Third party?  Slall we say, even though they've been around the block a time or two, almost non-existent.

Actually that came down to the actual people buying items for it. Kids and teens don't sell beyond niche to have a dedicated figure, otherwise you would see more. That's far different from Roxie and Rex, who couldn't get more than two sentences on the Poser 10/2014 features page and you'd be hard pressed to find items specifically for them in the year they've been out. Still the milkids and teens came out with more morphs and clothing where you could get things on all the major stores.

You persist in comparing apples and oranges. Of course DAZ had morphs and clothes for the milkids when they came out. It was a product line. They'd be stupid NOT to have them ready if they expected a significant contribution to their bottom line. Rex and Roxie have no such expectation from SM.

Well my post was in response to figure support, so I think it's pretty relevant. Because SM pretty much said "Here" with Rex and Roxie, with the list of issues that prevent real content development is pretty much why they are pretty much ignored by the masses... so much they got behind dawn for a mini promotion.

They've always been behind third party figures, so nothing has changed in that regard. But SM isn't a content provider. For the most part even the content that comes with the program  have been provided by third party providers.

Quote - Well my post was in response to figure support, so I think it's pretty relevant. Because SM pretty much said "Here" with Rex and Roxie, with the list of issues that prevent real content development is pretty much why they are pretty much ignored by the masses... so much they got behind dawn for a mini promotion.

Just played with Vilters clothing, and I've given daz good money, and lots of it, for clothes that didn't work as well. 

Dawn: gourd on a board on stilts.  Had her, deleted, along with everything else that was in that package. SM did better with Roxie.

But Tony, the shoes in the Freetime, if you could separate them as their own figure, a lot of us would be very appreciative.  Nice work all around, no issues I've found yet. 

Doric.

Quote - You persist in comparing apples and oranges. Of course DAZ had morphs and clothes for the milkids when they came out.

Not all of them.  The YT had basically expression morphs but no shape morphs until just a few years ago.  Matt and Maddie, still basically el-zip for support. 

I agree with SM not expecting to add anything to the bottom line with Rex and Roxie, but providing them more to demonsrate the capabilites of Poser and the new features.  But I think the developers of those two did one hell of a job and Hope SM gives them their heads to keep going. 

I don't see Roxie as a teen figure, maybe between 18 and 15, but not a teen.  As far as face morphs go, I think she works in the face room, although I've never felt the need to try it.  That would replace a ton of morphs.

Doric.

Quote -  Still the milkids and teens came out with more morphs and clothing where you could get things on all the major stores.

KIndly steer me to this plethora of clothing.

Quote - Studio won't run in any computer I have, for what reason I'm not interested in finding out.  End of gene thing discussion.

Doric

Not sure how that's even a good criteria for judging a technology, when many more people have no trouble.

Other people are not playing with my computer either, nor deciding which software has to go when there's a conflict somewhere.  However, should you feel I should try it again, I'll be waiting for the new computer into which I can install only studio, should you feel generous.  I also fail to see where two clicks of the mouse to load a figure is so much more difficult than spending hours trying and only reach a rough approximation of what I want, which isn't the V thing in any of her many iterations.

Doric.

Quote - I don't see Roxie as a teen figure, maybe between 18 and 15, but not a teen.  As far as face morphs go, I think she works in the face room, although I've never felt the need to try it.  That would replace a ton of morphs.

Doric.

Make that between 18 and 25 not 15. Doric

Hey !!!!!!!!

This tread is about clothing for Roxie.

Not about DS/Poser, not about the non-existing support, but about clothing requests for the Roxie figure.

If anybody has a special Rex-Roxie clothing request, please post a picture, and I"ll see what I can do.

Well, there's no hotpants but I see the stripes have had influence :biggrin:

With suitable texturing, that workout set could make a good '65-'74 carhop uniform.

@ Seachnasaigh

You just gave me a crazy idea....... Outfit is on a temporary hold.

You making her some skates? Make her knee pads and a helmet too! I wanna see some roller derby!

Well I'm going to be making a Roxie version of the dress I'm working on now .. just finishing up Dawn's. Its an experiment, I'm making a v4, aly2, dawn and roxie version and seeing which sells better. Also a good way to work out the whole workflow on the process, see how much trouble it actually is to do a multi figure supoort run on a single item like this.

So far the only trouble I've been having with Roxie is the whole weightmapped figure issue - but that is just the same contraints as dealing with any poser weightmapped figure. The eyelashes-as-figure thing is just weird but there are reasons for and against it.

Bends better than some, less better than others.  The rig is kind of confusing until you realise that loads of the parts are ghosts with no geometry. They exist just for bend fix reasons. I'm sure thats been causing vendors no end of trouble :)

Cute on load, which is nice considering some of the er .. less appealing ... faces SM has come up with over the years lol

I think 'booty shorts' is a more recent name for hotpants if you want to try google roulette

LM

I was just thinking, they do look like hotpants now that I've seen them from the rear without stripes.

@ pumeco
Glad you like the "old style hotpants", as shown above, but I modified them after your first comment. LOL.
Should be in freestuff in a day or 2.

Ha-ha-ha-, you have Zbrush, you can cut them out of the new version, the original is still there. LOL.

Quote -The eyelashes-as-figure thing is just weird but there are reasons for and against it.

That was changed in the Rex/Roxie 1.1 update. No more eyelash figures. They're transmapped again.

~Shane

I'm beginning to think I might have missed a really important thread somewhere.

I didn't even know there was a Roxie 1.1, maybe that's why I'm having a lot of issues even with the latest SR, maybe it's the figure that's causing the issues.

Where do I get Roxie 1.1, was she part of the latest SR downloads?

Quote - Where do I get Roxie 1.1, was she part of the latest SR downloads?

I think so, yes. 

It wasn't advertised very well, but the update came around SR3. either with it or just before it. 

~Shane

Cheers Shane, I'm up to date already then and I was really hoping I wasn't!

The Obj files for Rex and Roxie are in CU1 update.  If you go to the bottom of the page for updating Poser you will find two buttons that allow you to download the updated content (Mac/Win).

Please read the file that comes with it since the CR2 is overwritten and if you wish to keep using V1.0 of the figures you need to make a backup copy of them.

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I'm beginning to think I might have missed a really important thread somewhere.

I didn't even know there was a Roxie 1.1, maybe that's why I'm having a lot of issues even with the latest SR, maybe it's the figure that's causing the issues.

Where do I get Roxie 1.1, was she part of the latest SR downloads?

Roxie 1.1 is is the content update.

BEFORE YOU DOWNLOAD......

The content updater overwrites the four Roxie, Roxie Casua. & Roxie Dev files (.pmd, png, xmp & crz)

MORPHS MADE FOR ROXIE 1.0 WILL NOT WORK WITH ROXIE 1.1.

I recommend renaming the Roxie folder Roxie 1.0.  Then you should have both of them.

Thankyou both, will download it tonight and hope it's for the better then :-)

You also need to update scripts that call for Roxie 1.0 like Snarly's EZSkin and Netherworks' Hair Module.

To download the Content Updater, you have to download it as you did the program when you bought it. That requires the info you supplied before.

No worries, I stopped following my own tread and will not come to visit it again.

You have Z-brush pumeco, build your own.

Have a nice evening.

This is not the Smith-Micro customer complaint forum. 

There is nothing we can do about your discrepencies here. Smith-Micro has a customer service department you can take those complaints to. 

The only thing posts like this do is continue to cause arguments.

I'm deleting all posts that derail this thread. I've already deleted a few threads the last few days that have dealt with similar issues and I will continue to do so.

~Shane

That's a bit rude, vilters.

That's the sort of drama queen comment a women would make if she watches far too many soap operas.  My apologies for the dearailment, it was not intentional and I hope Shane will be kind enough to restore it for you, no harm done.

I even tried to help you kickstart it when you were moaning about lack of interest.  I hardly think that puts me in a position for all this flak, dreailment or no derailment.

But whatever mate, whatever.

Sorry Shane, be my guest, please delete.
Ooops, he already has done :biggrin:

Now I just have to figure out why I can't log into my SM support account - lol

Quote - No worries, I stopped following my own tread and will not come to visit it again.

You have Z-brush pumeco, build your own.

Have a nice evening.

Vilters,

Please don't let the turn in your thread keep you from doing requests for Roxie. Between you and Eclarke, I think you're providing a valuable service to those that want to use Roxie in their renders. 

But don't forget about Rex, as he has barely anything.

Shane: I forgot to say congrats earlier (heading out of the country for work in a few hours so I'm rather frazzled in preparations), but I think you're off to a good start... I love that you're not waiting hours to nip stuff in the bud. :)

I've just sent an apology to vilters for screwing-up his thread.

It would be really cool if Shane would delete everything back to where I asked about Roxie 1.1 so that his thread is totally untainted by the discussion.  My apologies to all, it's just the way it progresssed from an innocent enough question, that's all.

So yeah, would be really cool if Shane were to use that button power he now has :-)

I've made a couple of things for Rex, too. But as with most males in the Poserverse, his stuff doesn't sell well. And at the time this stuff was free. It still is. But  even with freestuff, people don't really support the males much. I've made stuff for P7 Kate that has left the stuff I made for Rex in the dust as far as downloads go.

Quote - > Quote - No worries, I stopped following my own tread and will not come to visit it again.

You have Z-brush pumeco, build your own.

Have a nice evening.

Vilters,

Please don't let the turn in your thread keep you from doing requests for Roxie. Between you and Eclarke, I think you're providing a valuable service to those that want to use Roxie in their renders.

Agreed! Vilters and EClarke and Pumeco have done more to bring positive attention to Roxie than I've ever seen elsewhere. I think it's an excellent trend. Don't stop now!

Heck, I've owned Stitch Witch for ages now, and I even decided it might be a lot of fun to download some of you guys' freebies and use them to learn how to texture clothing. I don't own Roxie. But the CR2's for the clothing still load perfectly well.

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"Agreed! Vilters and EClarke and Pumeco have done more to bring positive attention to Roxie than I've ever seen elsewhere. I think it's an excellent trend. Don't stop now!"

For a minute there I thought I was having mind blanks, I never made anything for Roxie so you must mean that interview.  I should point out that I didn't really have any say in the matter, the look she gave me was a sort of  'do it or die' :-D

And I agree, vilters and Clarkie are doing an awesome job of spreading her name, the amount of downloads they get in such a short space of time is indication of that.  Long may it continue!