Along the years (my first order was in 2004) I have seen many great, and I mean, absolutely great outfits coming up here. They keep coming up too... still, although I know that everyone's got their own tastes, there is something that really makes me cry tears of blood. I'm talking abou the high heels.

Okay, I know: ladies often wear these. It's an element of fashion, it makes a girl stand higher, etc. Still. There are some types of outfits which do NOT go well with high heels.

A forest ranger? Oh great. Let's see her crash and sprain her ankle when she jumps from a tree. A trooper? "Girls! Wait for me! I just broke a heel". That will help under heavy fire. Also, let's not forget the catburglar/infiltrator agent with that really cool skntight catsuit. High heels will clap-clap happily on the pavement of that high-security facility/museum. And she'll break a couple legs too when she'll rappel down from the ceiling.

I know we have to consider the element of fantasy. I know we are making art, not replicating reality. Yet, we keep aiming for products wiche get incredibly detailed and good looking over time... so please, beloved merchants? Would you at least consider alternate shapes as a bonus for boots when you give us an action-oriented female outfit? Pretty please with sugar on and candycanes poking out? :)

Thank you for reading. I still buy your work, I still marvel at it quite often. It's just... the heels. whimper :)

None of my free Roxie items have high heels. :-)

None of my free Roxie items have high heels. :-)

*And Roxie loves you for that :-)

I agree with the OP, the high heel trend is really disturbing.

You didn't state which character, so I assume you want these for V4. Try these:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/chaser-boots-v4/67581/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/goobootiez/70707/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/v4sp-outfit-for-v4a4/73747/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/free-sole-/73866/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/street-sneaker/82799/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/v4ms-skirt-for-v4a4/87503/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/maiden-outfit-v4-aiko-elite/93870/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/flats-collection-v4/97058/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/sy-espadrilles-g/99254/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/move-trainers-v4/97810/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/dms-pretty-sandals-for-v4/101024/

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/canvas-shoes-and-socks-for-v4/95634/

I'm with the OP on this (and yes, this horse has been beaten before, but is not yet dead!) I'd kill for a pair of loafers for V4. There IS a pair of loafers for multiple characters over at PoserWorld, but it is not the "Penny Loafer" style I'm looking for.

When content makers make fetish clothing, what kind of shoes do you expect to go with it? It's part of the larger problem that it seems that very few of us do anything "everyday" with Poser.

God, but I wish I could model.

@ basicwiz

Ha-ha-ha-, from all my free items, the "normal" dress gets the least attention.
But then again, the "open" items are also less popular then the "special" items.
LOL.

No worries Roxie dear, we continue on the same road.

Quote - Ha-ha-ha-, from all my free items, the "normal" dress gets the least attention.
But then again, the "open" items are also less popular then the "special" items.
LOL.

Not surprised, Tony. Not surprised at all. I think many of us are in denial as to what Poser is actually used for! ROFL.

I fear , I have to agree once more. LOL.

Well, all I can say is that I have something special on the table for Rex and Roxie.
But it is a bit complicated, so I will certainly release something else before those 2 "golden" items.

Sorry, but Roxie doesn't have enough heels.

OP reiterates a problem I've had with a lot of clothing sets over the years. It's almost as though if it can't be made into a pinup, many vendors don't think it will sell.

If that's the case, who am I to argue? I don't have any sales data to dispute the possibility.

I have at least one set with a morphing heel, which I appreciate very much. But it's got to be more work to do this.

I buy a lot of footwear -- particularly flatsoled boots -- separately, as a result.

As long as we're talking about it, then I may as well ask. In light of the shoe situation as you describe it, do you guys prefer to have shoes come with an outfit or buy them separately in a shoe pack or something? That way you can pick whatever shoe you want to go with whatever outfit you you like. After all when you buy real clothes you don't normally get a free pair of shoes with them.

Quote - As long as we're talking about it, then I may as well ask. In light of the shoe situation as you describe it, do you guys prefer to have shoes come with an outfit or buy them separately in a shoe pack or something? That way you can pick whatever shoe you want to go with whatever outfit you you like. After all when you buy real clothes you don't normally get a free pair of shoes with them.

That's very true. Then again, when I buy normal clothes, I don't expect them to fit me when I gain and lose weight, or if I morph into a pregnant woman. :D We demand a lot from our 3d clothing merchants, don't we?

If the clothing is pants or anything that will need to tuck into a pair of boots, I prefer when the footwear comes with the package because the vendor of the pants will create a tuck morph that fits the footwear perfectly. But some tuck morphs work fine with other boots. It does depend on the outfit.

For skirts or shorts, footwear isn't necessary, though with some outfits we've come to expect the shoe/boot textures to match perfectly, which -- as you point out -- isn't realistic at all.

I'd think that, regardless of preferences, outfits sell better with footwear, even if it isn't exactly what everyone would want. But I'm only guessing based on the fact that it's rare to see an outfit in the MP that doesn't include some sort of foot covering.

I would like to see more comfortable but pretty flat or low-heeled shoes - interesting straps, pretty buckles, leather punched into pretty patterns and so on. I love ankle straps, cross-over straps and T-bar straps.

Essentially, "action" type outfits shouldn't come with hig heels. That's my big gripe.

I also forgot one thing in my original post: as soon as high heels are involved, there is the issue of posing the feet. How should I pose the feet on a girl running in an alleyway if she wears heels? It always looks goofy.

Quote - Essentially, "action" type outfits shouldn't come with hig heels. That's my big gripe.

I also forgot one thing in my original post: as soon as high heels are involved, there is the issue of posing the feet. How should I pose the feet on a girl running in an alleyway if she wears heels? It always looks goofy.

Granted, but you're looking for utilitarian usage from an outfit that was obviously put together for it's fantasy value. Most vendors are going to go for the money reward in putting out fantasy outfits.

try poserworld, they've got a nice selection from baseball boots to workwear and most are available for a wide range of figures.

Quote - For the most part I've always tried to release some type of footwear with my clothing. The loafers above for example come with my Schoolgirl for Roxie Outfit at CP.

That's really great looking work there!

I support your choice of loafers. How many "schoolgirls" in uniform wear stiletto heels to school?

I guess it depends. Are you making an outfit for girls who go to a school with a uniform? Or an outfit for 18+ women dressed as school girls for the purpose of fulfilling someone's fantasy?

I get the impression you're aiming for the first option, and you succeeded very nicely. :)

The first option. I'm not trying to compete with V4 for slutwear. I see Roxie more as a girl next door type. Now that doesn't mean she can't turn on the sex appeal with it suits her.

You people forgetting one key point...

A forest ranger? Oh great. Let's see her crash and sprain her ankle when she jumps from a tree. A trooper? "Girls! Wait for me! I just broke a heel". That will help under heavy fire. Also, let's not forget the catburglar/infiltrator agent with that really cool skntight catsuit. High heels will clap-clap happily on the pavement of that high-security facility/museum. And she'll break a couple legs too when she'll rappel down from the ceiling.

We have all wittnessed Vicky completely nakkid except for a pair of spiked heels slay numerous dragons in a more temples then you can count with a huge heavy sword in just one hand. Vicki jumping out of trees or being a cat burgler or climbing down a rope in nothing but a pair of spikes is childs play compared to slaying dragons while dating Alan Alda :thumbupboth:

Actually, I've seen very little pictorial evidence that naked Vickie ever slew anything. Likewise, I note a decided absence of dragons, dead dragons, dragon parts, or dragon skeletons anywhere in the near vicinity of the temples in which naked Vickie seems to prefer to pose, I mean worship. Am I missing some seminal renders or something? :D

How about less crap for grade-b porn movies and more down to earth, day to day clothes for casual and business alike (men and women alike), armor (fantasy and realistic), and science fiction?  

I'm sorry, but if I came across a woman wearing a shirt that needed pasties to stay on 1-300th of her breast and a "suit" skirt that barely covered her bum I'd be looking for the rest of the set and a camera crew.  Tired of smut wear.  Rendo used to not have so much of it, but it's getting close to a few other sites that I won't mention- and one is strictly Poser smut.

ugh.

All joking aside I am with DarwinsMishap and the flat shoes crowd. If a product is in the market place that is something that made that I would see in real life on the street, in an office or a normal club and for m4 or v4 then bang it goes into my cart instantly. I do on occasion do fantasy and what I will call the stripper-slut look but those are rare. Everyday or period clothes, all the time.

Quote - All joking aside I am with DarwinsMishap and the flat shoes crowd. If a product is in the market place that is something that made that I would see in real life on the street, in an office or a normal club and for m4 or v4 then bang it goes into my cart instantly. I do on occasion do fantasy and what I will call the stripper-slut look but those are rare. Everyday or period clothes, all the time.

You do have to search through a lot of stuff to find the normal clothing, I agree. But there is some. It's just a bit of a digging expedition to find it. M4 has never had a good suit, unfortunately. It seems coping with those shoulders in order to make something that doesn't look like he's wearing balloons (or a suit 4 sizes too small) is just too much work for the payoff. :(

As for "slut-wear", I live downtown, just down the road from a popular nightclub, so if I step on my balcony at 2am on a weekend, I get to see the youngfolk stumbling back to where they parked their cars. Most of V4's closet would not look out of place at all, even in the dead of winter. I'm becoming more and more convinced that, in the evening, only "older" women wear skirts that actually cover their crotches. (I don't personally care what people wear. What the hell! You're only young for a while.) In any case, these fashions may be "slutty" but many of them are also solidly mainstream. 

I agree- however mainstream "real life" day to day, even casual evenings is not club wear.  I clubbed, for far too long, and I couldn't stand some of the crap people wore either.  If you are going dancing and you're having issues with body parts staying INSIDE the outfit, don't freakin' wear it.

It's just my opinion. :)  Most of my issues go with the straps that pass for shirts (it has a hemline at the waist!), crap that defy every logical thought process, and products that wouldn't make it into a fetish shop showing up in my searches.  I've been with Rendo for a long time, I know how to look, but the selection of everyday wear is really getting limited.

I'd love to make a decent suit for M4, but I'm just now starting to learn.  It's going to be some time before I can, but it's on my "To learn" list.  Along with decent shoes for him, V4, Tyler, Anastasia, and a few other figures..I need something to clothe those, too.

The proper fitting suit jacket or sports coat for M3 or M4 is like searching for Blackbeards lost treasure....Most look like some skinnny kid is wearing a jacket designed for the Incredible Hulk.

You have lots of office scenes, formal dinning rooms and ball rooms prop sets available in the MP. Vicki has well fiitting and appropriate clothes to wear in all of them. M4 other then a shirt or a shirt and sweater modeled together, you are more or less out of luck. Yet Vicki does have well fiting 3 peice clothes sets (skirt, blouse and jacket). It can be done for the guys, just hasn't been made yet IMHO.

I have bypassed many cool scifi outfits just because they had heels!!

Quote - I agree- however mainstream "real life" day to day, even casual evenings is not club wear.  I clubbed, for far too long, and I couldn't stand some of the crap people wore either.  If you are going dancing and you're having issues with body parts staying INSIDE the outfit, don't freakin' wear it.

It's just my opinion. :)  Most of my issues go with the straps that pass for shirts (it has a hemline at the waist!), crap that defy every logical thought process, and products that wouldn't make it into a fetish shop showing up in my searches.  I've been with Rendo for a long time, I know how to look, but the selection of everyday wear is really getting limited.

I'd love to make a decent suit for M4, but I'm just now starting to learn.  It's going to be some time before I can, but it's on my "To learn" list.  Along with decent shoes for him, V4, Tyler, Anastasia, and a few other figures..I need something to clothe those, too.

I share your frustration.

You may be right that the more casual (or businesswear) options are getting sparser on the front page, and there are a lot of "studded strap" type stuff showing up. I raised my eyebrows this week at what's on offer even at the "family friendly" Daz.

People have been complaining about a lack of "normal" clothing for as long as I've visited these forums, so it's hard for me to know whether my perceptions are accurate. But there does seem to be a whiff of desperation in the air...

Quote - I agree- however mainstream "real life" day to day, even casual evenings is not club wear.  I clubbed, for far too long, and I couldn't stand some of the crap people wore either.  If you are going dancing and you're having issues with body parts staying INSIDE the outfit, don't freakin' wear it.

It's just my opinion. :)  Most of my issues go with the straps that pass for shirts (it has a hemline at the waist!), crap that defy every logical thought process, and products that wouldn't make it into a fetish shop showing up in my searches.  I've been with Rendo for a long time, I know how to look, but the selection of everyday wear is really getting limited.

I'd love to make a decent suit for M4, but I'm just now starting to learn.  It's going to be some time before I can, but it's on my "To learn" list.  Along with decent shoes for him, V4, Tyler, Anastasia, and a few other figures..I need something to clothe those, too.

A suit isn't that hard actually. The biggest problem I actually have is with the lapels on a jacket.

It's the bloody shoulders on a suit that are hard, it seems. M4 must have a lot of tricky JCM's or something in his shoulders because I've yet to see very many clothes for him that don't look like they were designed to be worn over NFL style shoulder pads.

I have found that the easiest way to handle M4's shoulders is not by fooling with a lot of morphs built in... rather to set the post, use the tighten on the morph brush and get on with my life.

There's a tighten on the morph brush??

In PP2014 (and I THINK) P10. You select the target figure (m4) and the clothing item (suit) and then rub the morph brush over the shoulders. They collapse right down to hug the figure line.

Here's a mini-tut I did on this technique.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=4085203&ebot_calc_page#message_4085203

Yup, it's in P10 as well.

Quote - In PP2014 (and I THINK) P10. You select5 the target figure (m4) and the clothing item (suit) and then rub the morph brush over the shoulders. They colapse right down to hug the figure line.

Here's amini-tut I did on this technique.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=4085203&ebot_calc_page#message_4085203

Oh! Now I remember! Yes. Need PP 2014. Must. Get. Soon.

A suit, mind you, should have nice sharp square shoulders, not round at all, and the bulges from the deltoids shouldn't show on anyone unless he's a bodybuilder. Not even then, if he can afford a good suit. Same goes for leather jackets.

As oppposed to a sweater:

That said, you're right. The new morph brush will fix a multitude of problems. It would probably fix the suit shoulder issue, if used with care.

Must. Get. PP 2014. Soon.

Edit: Looking at the picture in your tut, it does seem clear that you could get sharp lines on the shoulders if you wanted them. Sweet.

It's a circular argument. Vendors say they would make it if people would buy it and community members say they would buy it if someone would make it. I looked at it as an opportunity to illustrate my point rather than just trying to argue it. 

I got tired of waiting personally. It was difficult for me to step out of my comfort zone and try it, but sat down and really started to work towards making some more options. I don't want to step into arenas that are already well covered, but I am convinced that there's room for more variety and versatility. From my perspective, attractive footwear doesn't have to have six inch heels all the time. I built my first pair of shoes for her maybe a month ago. Initially, things are good, but I have to get a little bit of a better handle on weight maps vs matshperes before I'd consider myself an accomplished enough content creator to put them out there. 

That's what freebies are for.

If you go and follow my first few freebies  versus my last few, you'll see a gradual improvement in the way things look. One was just the process of doing it got easier, people were free with their advice and still are (and I'm grateful for it). Two was learning what worked and what didn't.

That picture I posted was my first pair and mostly it was a test to see if I could get it to work. It was more about building confidence as both a modeler and rigger. I picked shoes because you were only dealing with one part of the body and it made sense to start small and work up. I wouldn't have even attempted it without Fugazi's stuff and the tutorials from Darkedge Design. Now that I know I'm capable of doing it, I have to learn how to do it efficiently and with repeatable success. So I made different kinds so that I could learn to deal with the different issues of each type. I'm super hyped though :)

I would LOVE to have the loafers! Am willing to pay.

Quote - I would LOVE to have the loafers! Am willing to pay.

I will be making this one available soon, either in the store or as a freebie. It's about 80% complete --there are some issues with a few bending positions that I'm in the process of correcting. And right now there are no UV maps for them --I put the materials together using only shaders. I may go back and add UVs, but I haven't decided on that yet. With this particular pair, the shoes are so plain they really weren't needed. 

Those are sweet! She could actually walk in those. It's also a very versatile style. With just a few changes, you could have a Converse style hi-top. 

Yeah, I was going for something along the line of hiking boots.

I have a pair of Merrell Vibram's that look very much like that. The soles are a bit thicker on mine, but that's just a matter of style. Great boots. Completely waterproof.

I also have a pair of these. The Clash. Heh. It would just be a matter of texturing yours to get the look, I think -- depending on how you chose to do the laces.

Quote - I also have a pair of these. The Clash. Heh. It would just be a matter of texturing yours to get the look, I think -- depending on how you chose to do the laces.

FFS I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wish someone would make this exact type of shoe style for Ana. The poor girl is always barefoot on the street because no shoes work with her atm that aren't some type of stupid high heeled tramp shoe.

BTW socks, people wear socks still, don't they?

Who's Ana?

Quote - Who's Ana?

I think he's referring to GND Anastasia.

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FFS I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wish someone would make this exact type of shoe style for Ana. The poor girl is always barefoot on the street because no shoes work with her atm that aren't some type of stupid high heeled tramp shoe.

BTW socks, people wear socks still, don't they?

Have you tried converting shoes to props, parenting them to her feet, and the making her feet invisible? (and moving the shoes around to accomodate the pose).

You can do the same thing without converting to props. If it's a figure that includes both shoes, you just have to load it twice, making the left shoe invisible in order to fit the right foot, and vice versa with the right shoe.

It's an imperfect workaround, to be sure, and I haven't actually tried it. But it might work for you.

Still, wouldn't mind more content for Ana and Tyler. But since they are Poser figures, Wardrobe Wizard does wonders... except sometimes, as you point out, with shoes.

Edit: Socks are a different story.

I should learn to model just so I can make socks.