I risk being booted out, or having this thread locked and deleted. Well, just let me say what's on my mind.

Not going to use the DAZ3D V6 or M6 figures 99 per cent of the time. I may be in the minority, but freedom of expression, etc, eh.

Therefore, not much interested in the V6 and M6 products, thank you very much.  

Am using Poser Pro 2014. Have DSON Importer, have Michael 6, have Genesis Essentials, and have purchased M6 goods. Found that I hardly use them at all. In fact, not using anything that has a PoserCF installation file.

No offense to merchants and creators who build for V6 and M6. It's a personal thing, and I just wanted to say it.

I bought a suit a couple of years ago, when I thought I might be looking for a new job. I've never worn it. Now it's too big. Would have to get the suit altered to fit, and it might not work, might not be worth the expense.

I've got a food processor in my cupboard that I used once.

I used to bike to work, but I got tired of putting up with people's road rage. Now my bike is sitting on my porch, slowly rusting.

I have a fairly decent, sharp 50-70 mm kit lens that came with my Nikon D300. After I bought the 18-200 mm with VR, I stopped using the other lens.

I've got some running skirts that I bought for races because they hide embarrassing sweat patches better than shorts or leggings. I don't race any more. Won't be wearing them again, most likely.

Have about 200 books on my shelves that I'll probably never find time to read.

I have a coffee strainer designed to make Saigon coffee. Keep meaning to get some beans ground, but never got around to it. It's been in my drawer for 6 years.

Sometimes life's just like that, ya know. :D

That's so polite, does that really qualify as a rant? :biggrin:

Ha ha ! @Moriador - I try not to waste my Michael 6, but it's... not so easy...

@prixat - ya think so ? OK. I be more hardnose next time :-)

I haven't jumped on the V5-6, Dawn, Genesis bandwagon either.  I'm nowhere near the limits of what one can do with good old Vicky4 and there's the not inconsequential matter of much monies worth of Vicky's clothing.  

My strategy is to thank (profusely!) the artists for continuing to support Vicky4 by making products for her.  Despite most stuff finding it's way onto the sleazy Russian/Chinese file sharing sites within microseconds of being released, I buy the items I like.  Yes, I actually spend money for stuff.  (all you downloaders pay attention to this fact.  I know you're here reading the forums).  Money is a powerful incentive to continue making stuff for a certain figure.  A few times,  when I've seen something I REALLY liked, I've asked a vendor if they'd port their product to Vicky4.  I don't believe that whinning in a forum is of much use.

Quote - I used to bike to work, but I got tired of putting up with people's road rage. Now my bike is sitting on my porch, slowly rusting.

Get that bike back on the road and you can have the last laugh over the driver's graves.  Bicycle commuters live longer that those who don't and yes, I have the facts, figures and statistics at hand.  I've been commuting on a bicycle for 39 years now and at 58 am still in great shape and the money saved has bought four degrees (one for each member of my family).  There are techniques for dealing with pigheaded drivers (a plastic bag filled with paint is a great weapon).  This is a subject that I have religious fervour for and am more than willing to give help and suggestions to another cyclist.  PM me for all the gory details.  

Quote -  

Not going to use the DAZ3D V6 or M6 figures 99 per cent of the time. I may be in the minority, but freedom of expression, etc, eh.

 

My minor rant is just the misconception that people think they have freedom of speech in privately owned sites. You don't. At all. That's how you can say something and end up banned for it. ;)

Even in public entities, you certainly have freedom of speech, but you absolutely don't have freedom from criticisms or reprecussions as a result of that speech. That's pretty much how the whole thing works: you say something and either you get praised for it or criticized and hammered for it. Then life goes on. So it just boils down to is what you have to say worth the reprecussions for saying it.

So you could say something about the goverment on their property and not get locked up by them for saying it. But it doesn't stop your employer from handing you a pink slip if they find out.

end of rant.

hahaha...that's a rant? I would hate to see you break up with somebody.

Quote - I haven't jumped on the V5-6, Dawn, Genesis bandwagon either.  I'm nowhere near the limits of what one can do with good old Vicky4 and there's the not inconsequential matter of much monies worth of Vicky's clothing.  

My strategy is to thank (profusely!) the artists for continuing to support Vicky4 by making products for her.  Despite most stuff finding it's way onto the sleazy Russian/Chinese file sharing sites within microseconds of being released, I buy the items I like.  Yes, I actually spend money for stuff.  (all you downloaders pay attention to this fact.  I know you're here reading the forums).  Money is a powerful incentive to continue making stuff for a certain figure.  A few times,  when I've seen something I REALLY liked, I've asked a vendor if they'd port their product to Vicky4.  I don't believe that whinning in a forum is of much use. 

I am with you, I spend real money every month a large chunk of it on more stuff for V4 so I am glad vendors are still making stuff for her.  I always buy the stuff I use, including all the software and never give copies to my friends of family.

It is great that others make free stuff but I must admit I rarely use it but I see no justification for stealing someone's work just because it has been ripped off.

Quote - > Quote - I used to bike to work, but I got tired of putting up with people's road rage. Now my bike is sitting on my porch, slowly rusting.

Get that bike back on the road and you can have the last laugh over the driver's graves.  Bicycle commuters live longer that those who don't and yes, I have the facts, figures and statistics at hand.  I've been commuting on a bicycle for 39 years now and at 58 am still in great shape and the money saved has bought four degrees (one for each member of my family).  There are techniques for dealing with pigheaded drivers (a plastic bag filled with paint is a great weapon).  This is a subject that I have religious fervour for and am more than willing to give help and suggestions to another cyclist.  PM me for all the gory details.  

When I used to ride through Houston in the '80s, folks were pretty polite. In the city, bikes were uncommon. Up here (Victoria, BC), 6% of all commutes are by bike, and people are angry. You do see cyclists doing stupid stuff (riding the wrong way down a road, ignoring traffic lights, etc), so they give cyclists a bad name. And drivers are angry. They express that anger by passing you very closely, not looking behind when they open doors, and cutting you off.

I got doored once. My bike was destroyed, and it very nearly got me killed. So if there are cars parked on the side, I don't ride close to them. Drivers hate that. So they are intent on making it dangerous in whatever way they can.

Given that you can kill a cyclist with your car here and suffer nothing more than a few hundred dollar fine, people just don't care. It's not worth the risk to me.

Instead, I run. Takes me 3 times as long, but I still get the fitness benefits. And when I cross the road on a crosswalk, I get to feign a limp and cross v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y as a way to get back at the drivers for making my cycling life so much hell that I quit riding.

Back to the topic at hand... I don't use my M6/V6 characters all that much. Yet. But I expect that will change. Genesis, however, gets quite a bit of use. 

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I allmost never buy stuff for V4. The only exceptions , where I can't resist, are Erogenesis  and AlphaSeed content. I strictly refuse to buy remote dial content. "Morphs ++ required" means a no go for me. Make custom morphs, or I won't buy it.

I want latest Poser technologie, I want Poser to grow. V6 and M6 are DAZStudio. That's where they belong and that is where they work best. I don't need DSON. <better deleted my comment about Dawn>

I would actually like to have better Poser native figures, well modelled and beautyfully shaped out of the box. DAZ raised the bar with genesis2. I'd like to see Poser following.

The good thing is, we might get better Poser figures. SM keeps listening. at least they did till now.

The point I just cannot believe is, Poser has improved so much - as demanded, and so many seem to be stuck in old Poser4 days.

Quote - I risk being booted out, or having this thread locked and deleted. Well, just let me say what's on my mind.

Not going to use the DAZ3D V6 or M6 figures 99 per cent of the time. I may be in the minority, but freedom of expression, etc, eh.

Therefore, not much interested in the V6 and M6 products, thank you very much.  

Am using Poser Pro 2014. Have DSON Importer, have Michael 6, have Genesis Essentials, and have purchased M6 goods. Found that I hardly use them at all. In fact, not using anything that has a PoserCF installation file.

No offense to merchants and creators who build for V6 and M6. It's a personal thing, and I just wanted to say it.

 

Is there a problem someone can help you with? Not me, of course, but someone with knowlegde of what they're talking about?

Quote - I will never understand those Poser 4,5,6 and 7 nostalgics. What is out-dated V4 good for, now that we have weight maps since Poser9 ?

Depends on what you're doing. Ask Isikol. V4 got him on the front cover of Heavy Metal Magazine. Lots of great art using generation 4 Daz figures out there, including a commerical artist who makes illustrations for MTG cards.

If you don't use V4/M4, and you don't use Genesis 1 or 2, you've got Anastasia, Tyler, Rex, and Roxie, and very little content. 

Not saying you can't do great renders with just those 4 figures. You can. But I prefer not to limit the content I'm willing to use. If it works for me, I'll use it.

Even after years V4stuff is driving every other figure out of the market.

You check out the store thinking "what can I get for nice stuff for Roxie , anastasia Miki4, Rex or Ryan?" , and all you get is Victoria 4 stuff with morphs ++ required.

I'm just not good in dealing with mainstream ;)

There are several versions of a weightmapped V4 available and I use them when needed. But most pictures I make don't need it, so I don't see V4 as being "out-dated". It is still the most versatile figure there is for Poser in terms of addons (clothing, hair, morphs, skins, props, textures). 

Genesis in all its incarnations just has too many usability problems in Poser and is just difficult to work with if you do scenes with more than one or two figures. I occasionally use the figure, but often it is just not worth it.

I am still waiting for more options for Dawn, Roxie and other figures - especially in terms of morphs and skin sets. That is the main reason I rarely use them.

future poser may eventually be natively compatble with gen2. 

never say never.

then you could use your figures from the cupboard :)

may be up to V8/M8 by then, lol

I recently started to just bake out the Genesis figures as native Poser figures.  Yes, it loses some of its bag-o-tricks and it lacks reasonable scaling and IK but I'd rather have that than the emulation and the issues that follow.

Quote - I recently started to just bake out the Genesis figures as native Poser figures.  Yes, it loses some of its bag-o-tricks and it lacks reasonable scaling and IK but I'd rather have that than the emulation and the issues that follow.

I did that after DSON got released and again a few months ago when G2F was released with the new version of DSON. Yes, baking a native figure works, but it has a lot of disadvantages:

 - It always loads all the morphs which are installed, so it will get huge over time

 - You have to convert over Poses, clothing, hair and other DSON props, which in some cases (poses) is a lot of work because you have to do them one by one, same for mat poses, expressions. (since DSON is out, you can't read the orignals)

• Since the baked version has no JCM's and DSON is no longer there you have to do a lot of morph brushing to remove poke through with bending

• And for each new morph you get you have to bake everything again (figure and clothing) to get the new morphs in

That is why I gave up that route

Well, frankly I just did it to see how involved it would be to do it.  It was just moving the cached .obj, renaming it, repointing it and then changing all the outline mode to parent display style.

Am I going to build a baked genesis wardrobe?  No indeed.

There are existing natively-designed figures that would already be optimal for that.  Dawn, V4, native peeps, etc.  Like you said there's a V4 WM that would already be optimal with more advantages for a pure-Poser user such as myself.  My choice and all that.

Not much of a rant; you could have at least said 'heck'! 

Genesis 2 is a nice mesh (I did buy the head and body morphs and some clothing) , but the oddball material zones require converting materials in Studio, even with the Gen 4 UVs, which is too much hassle for me. YMMV.

Besides, DAZ just had much of the DO Genesis 1 stuff on "Spring Cleaning" for 60% off, and most of it is two years old or less.  Genesis 3 will likely be out by next fall, if current trends continue, and I can get some deals on Genesis 2 stuff if I'm tired of Antonia, Generation 4 and Genesis 1 by then...

Quote - I will never understand those Poser 4,5,6 and 7 nostalgics. What is out-dated V4 good for, now that we have weight maps since Poser9 ?

Except that, in the latest versions of Poser V4 has weight mapping and her textures benefit from SSS, so V4 is not out dated, at least not for me.  I accept that some of the stuff for V4 has to be modified to work in the latest version on Poser but then I have been converting MAT poses to material for years so nothing new there.

No nostalga for the old versions of Poser but for what I do I have yet to see anything the the G figure does that I cannot do with V4WM.

Quote - Even after years V4stuff is driving every other figure out of the market.

You check out the store thinking "what can I get for nice stuff for Roxie , anastasia Miki4, Rex or Ryan?" , and all you get is Victoria 4 stuff with morphs ++ required.

I'm just not good in dealing with mainstream ;)

If you aren't using V4, then you have to use the entire Poser ecosystem.  There are a lot of tools available, IF you choose to use them.  Most people choose not to, and are really missing out.

Hair - Netherworks Hair Control System will easily move that Gen4 hair to other figures.

Clothing - Fitting Room (if you have 2014), Xdresser/WW if you don't.  If you are using Dawn, Lyrra's Fitting Room magnets for Dawn are "must have's"  I have a lot of V4 clothing content that has never been on V4 - but it has been on Sydney, Jessi, Miki, Mariko, Anastasia, etc.

Textures - Texture Transformer/Texture Converter 1 & 2.

Shoes are the final frontier......i.e. I am not very good with PhilC's Shoe Last.

I think I am the only one who uses native Poser models almost exclusively (the exceptions are Dawn and Miki 4).

I have never owned anything outside the box. I started modeling so I could make my own stuff, and now I pretty much only use Poser to test what I model. Every now and then I will do a render for the gallery, but I am wasting about 95% of Poser's capabilities with what I use it for.

I told myself that I wanted to get PP2014, but then it would be closer to 98% waste if I keep at my current trend. Although, the animation tools alone would be very tempting to play with.

Ok I'm going to try something new and toss this one up for a vote for locking or leaving as-is. 

The topic could be construed as baiting, but I don't think that's the OP's intention. But I don't get the point of the post either. If not baiting, then what? It doesn't seem like a requiest or a complaint, just an incomplete statement. So why is this important for everyone to know exactly? 

~Shane

Lock.

It's not like anything new was said or conveyed, it doesn't really serve anything other than bait the same conversation and it will eventually end up like the other ones that already been locked.

Sure you don't need another headache to monitor.

Quote - Ok I'm going to try something new and toss this one up for a vote for locking or leaving as-is. 

The topic could be construed as baiting, but I don't think that's the OP's intention. But I don't get the point of the post either. If not baiting, then what? It doesn't seem like a requiest or a complaint, just an incomplete statement. So why is this important for everyone to know exactly?

As I read it, he can't personally justify using Genesis 2 models, and is stating why, and perhaps is looking for a reason he should look at them again.  Some folks have mentioned advantages of various models, from DAZ and elsewhere.

It's called discussion, which happens on many fora, and used to often occur here.  As it's been peacable thus far, I'd say consider your post a warning, Shane, and let it stay for the time being...

EDIT; I just looked to see what is trending elsewhere, and there is a 3-page thread on "diabetic willpower" and another on Poser 4 freebies. ..

I've read two negative posts in this thread, three counting the moderator's, and the other two were from the same person, one at a prompt from the moderator.

Quote - It's called discussion, which happens on many fora, and used to often occur here.  As it's been peacable thus far, I'd say consider your post a warning, Shane, and let it stay for the time being...

 EDIT; I just looked to see what is trending elsewhere, and there is a 3-page thread on "diabetic willpower" and another on Poser 4 freebies. ..

I agree. I wondered, at first, what the point was with this thread. But since it has been peaceable so far -- and the OP is exceptionally polite -- I don't see a problem. 

The angst Poser users feel over being unable to use Genesis with as much ease as native figures is clearly something we, as a group, need to air. No point stilfing the discussion as long as its' mature because the topic is going to keep coming up. It's something we want to talk about. It may seem pointless, but good decent conversation is never really pointless. Sometimes in the midst of it, new ways of looking at problems are proposed or solutions are discovered. 

i bet 10 polygones,8 vertices & 20 pixels it will get violent & locked buy page 3.

The OP doesn't state why he's not using it, just that he's not. That's why I said it seems like baiting due to the subject, and that this same topic always becomes an argument. Giving a specific reason why in the original post would make it more valid, less baiting.

Whatever. Anyway, keep it mature and don't digress into figure bashing or arguments and it can stay. 

~Shane

I really can not see why people continue to bother with any version of Genesis?

DAZ/DS left Poser compatibility out of their own free will.

Well? Let them go. What is the issue? I really do not see the problem.

Yes, Genesis was bait to get us all to leave Poser and jump on their wet DS dream.

That did not happen and then they cane with an alfa of a beta of an importer that never should have left the drawing room in the first place.

At best, the Genesis system works at 50% in Poser.
Genesis is a "DS system", it is NOT a STAND ALONE Poser figure and due to its technical properties never will be.

Quote - I really can not see why people continue to bother with any version of Genesis?

DAZ/DS left Poser compatibility out of their own free will.

Well? Let them go. What is the issue? I really do not see the problem.

Yes, Genesis was bait to get us all to leave Poser and jump on their wet DS dream.

That did not happen and then they cane with an alfa of a beta of an importer that never should have left the drawing room in the first place.

At best, the Genesis system works at 50% in Poser.
Genesis is a "DS system", it is NOT a STAND ALONE Poser figure and due to its technical properties never will be.

For a change, I mostly agree. :D

I don't see it as a problem, any more than I see the hoops you have to jump through to import any rigged figures or materials into an environment or render engine they weren't designed for as a "problem". Poser to Vue, Daz to Carrara, Poser/Daz to Reality, Poser/Daz to CD4, 3DS to Poser, etc, etc.

There are some technical limitations that can be helped by a variety of hacks; that could be helped if the software companies tried a bit harder to engineer compatibility; that can be worked around with various degrees of success. So, you know, I'll support -- sometimes with cash, if it serves my purposes -- any effort by any of these companies to make things easier. :)

Some of us have more or less tolerance for taking the trouble to make things work. That Daz historically made content 100% compatible with Poser is neither here nor there, except for the nostalgia factor -- and the fact that the market hasn't fully adjusted yet.

I really, really, really wish I could fit Canon and Pentax lenses on my Nikon and vice versa, play Xbox games on my Playstation, use Mac software on my PC, and plug my North American electronics into European outlets without an adaptor. But I'll live. :)

How come there's never a fight over the dragons.

Quote - How come there's never a fight over the dragons.

'Cuz between the Mil 2 Dragon (and other Poser compatible Daz dragons), Dinoraul, and Swidhelm, we're pretty much covered? :D

Quote - > Quote - How come there's never a fight over the dragons.

'Cuz between the Mil 2 Dragon (and other Poser compatible Daz dragons), Dinoraul, and Swidhelm, we're pretty much covered? :D

Then where definitely covered with V4 & her 10,000 pairs of panties.
in stead of beating a dead horse endlessly.
beating a dead dragon might be fun for a change.:bored:

You're not alone.... here's another one who for various reasons is still using the older figures :) Whenever I create a scene, I find myself using M3/M3, V4/V3, Don, Simon, James, Ryan, Judy, Jessy, Alyson..... anything that's made for Poser really, but not the newer figures though. Load figure, add hair, conform clothes, pose, render, ready.... that's my typical poser figure usage :) Beyond that, I'm lost and if it takes longer that, I find it a waste of time.

I was going to buy the M5/V5 combo bundle the other day cause it was less than $50 but by the time I actually decided to do so it was no longer $50, lol. My luck. I have no use for the pro bundles for each of them due to the fact that I would never use 90% of the included content and would only be buying them in order to have the complete anatomical figures.

Same case for M6/V6. Don't have them yet because the base figures aren't anatomically complete, and I have no use for most of the content included in the pro versions of each but would have to buy it just to get a complete figure. When I do character sets, I want to do a complete character and include clothing and skin textures, not just one or the other. I want to make sure the skin and whatever custom morphs I might create for the figure will match the whole figure, not just the parts that are politically correct. But I can't do that with the Gen5/6 figures because part of them are locked behind a price wall. This has prevented me from completing several character sets I've begun with the intention of them being cross-compatible with Gen4/5/6. So as a content artist it's very discouraging. That's really the only gripe I have with the latest DAZ figures. Otherwise I think they're beautiful figures and would like to support them. Eventually I'll wind up having to give in and buy the pro bundles anyway if I want to use/support these figures, even tho 90% of it won't even get installed. 

I have no problems using DSON and I can convert all of them to Poser natives with a few minutes of work and patience if that's what I need to do, thanks to threads done by folks like JoePublic who took the time to learn how to convert and share that knowledge with the rest of us. 

~Shane

Whenever I mention price and those special parts, someone always tells me to just buy a third party product. Which, in and of itself, isn't a bad suggestion, but i just don't get the idea behind making a portion of a figure so darned expensive to get hold of. If selling it is that much of a problem, why make it?

Anybody made a weightmapped version of the Mildragon yet?

Using 3rd party content isn't really a viable option to a content artist because it requires all his/her customers to also have those 3rd party bits in order for the product to be completely useful, and yet would still lack support for the official parts those 3rd party parts are replacing. And there are too many different ones available to support them all. If I were just doing renders that would be different, I could use whatever parts I want or needed to use. But when I buy other artist's content, if the skin sets don't include textures for ALL of a figure's official/original parts, then I'm likely not going to buy the skin. I very rarely buy 3rd party content anyway since a lot of it doesn't fit my personal needs, tastes, standards of quailty, or some combination of the 3. So I only buy when it's something I need for a specific project and don't have time to create my own. Most of what I buy these days are just utilities to make my life as a content artist easier, or the base figures to build content for. 

When I bought M3 and his morphs, all his parts were included and I wasn't forced into buying anything I didn't need just to have access to what I did need. Same with David. Same with M4. So I don't get the sudden change with the Gen5+ figures. V3 and V4 never had those extra parts so it wasn't an issue.

~Shane

This subject-discussion comes up every so often and serves an important purpose in that it's cathartic for the forum.  I propose that the admins let it run it's course; it will eventually die out.

Should it turn mean and ugly we can always sell popcorn and charge admission. :biggrin:

If you are a regular user of the forum then you will have seen this subject before but if you are new to the Poser Daz world then there might be valuable information here to allow them to decide which way they want to move forward and where they want to spend their hard earned cash. 

The trouble with calling V4 out of date is that some may not see this as a viable option.  Threads like this show that Genesis is useable in Poser, either with extra work or limitations but equally V4 is not going to lose support overnight as there are many people still using her and the Poser figures.  I have no problem with what people use or where they spend their money but I do worry if money is spent due to someone elses agenda.

As to keeping the thread or locking it I think it should be the same as all other threads, left opened as long as it does not get personal, abusive or both.

Agree, hornet. That's why I wanted to let people have their say instead of just being a nazi about it. There have been times in the past that the same thread would have disappeared instantly and I don't think that's fair. I don't mind any topic being discussed as long as it's poser-related and remains civil. As long as folks are enjoying the thread and can be respectful to each other and their differences of opinion, and stay (mostly) on-topic, then there's no reason for it to be locked or go away. 

Just play nice. lol.

~Shane

Quote - This subject-discussion comes up every so often and serves an important purpose in that it's cathartic for the forum.  I propose that the admins let it run it's course; it will eventually die out.

Should it turn mean and ugly we can always sell popcorn and charge admission. :biggrin:

I really don't see the point of people coming into threads and making such comments. From what I've seen lately, there are actually a number of people who only make such comments, but never are part of the discussion.

Back on topic..... if doesn't work in Poser, it wasn't made for Poser and I've got better things to do then try and make it work. I guess I'm not desperate enough for a new figure :) Besides, I bought tons of stuff for the 'old' figures, instead of getting more, I rather use what I've got already.

"The OP doesn't state why he's not using it, just that he's not. That's why I said it seems like baiting due to the subject, and that this same topic always becomes an argument. Giving a specific reason why in the original post would make it more valid, less baiting."...............Ok I'm going to try something new and toss this one up for a vote for locking or leaving as-is. "

I would vote for a lock as well, there is no new perspective here.
Although rather politely stated, it IS the same old partisan anti DAZ/Genesis Drivel that seems to invite other anti DAZ/Genesis partisans to chime in
in a self perpetuating circle of mutual validations of thier personal choices

Point???......none.

Although I largely dont agree with the heavy handed moderating style over at CGsociety they do have a standard response to repetitive threads like this one as they lock it down:

"THIS SUBJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE MANY TIMES ,PLEASE USE THE FORUM SEARCH FUNCTION" >>>>LOCKED<<<<

You know, even if you do think that V4 has run her course, the thing is she did leave quite an impression. Look at Texture Transformer.  it is giving life to her old textures so newer figures like Dawn and Roxie can use them.  And of course, Hair Converter, by Nether works which pretty much does the same thing.

Perhaps the OP is feeling anxious about future support for non-Genesis figures?

I also have stuff sitting unused in my runtimes, but I don't mind. I am a collector. There have been many instances where I suddenly need something that has been sitting there idle for ages, and then I am very pleased.

But I havent really tried using the Genesis generation yet. I was also a late adopter of Daz figures, only got won over to them during the time when they were giving away the base figures for free. It worked on me, I have since boughts lots of characters, hair and clothes for the Daz figures of all generations.

Perhaps I'll come to the Genesis party at some point, but not yet. It just seems too much trouble, and I can accomplish what I need to do with the figures I have, in Poser. When other people start reporting that it is easy and quick and does not slow Poser down, I might reconsider. Even without the Genesis options, we have rich variety and very good value content available to us.

quote/

Although I largely dont agree with the heavy handed moderating style over at CGsociety they do have a standard response to repetitive threads like this one as they lock it down:

"THIS SUBJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE MANY TIMES ,PLEASE USE THE FORUM SEARCH FUNCTION" >>>>LOCKED<<<

/ end quote

8 out 10 topics have been discussed here before, that would make the forum look very silly!

I say let people talk so that the forum dont die.

I vote for an AUTOFORWARD function.

Genesis is a Genesis.DS system.

As such it is NOT a stand alone figure.

As soon as Genesis or DS turn up? The post should be autoforwared to the DAZ forum.

That is thet ONLY way to avoid useless discussions like these.

Ok, I agree that with hacks the mesh can be used in Poser. But that's about it then.

10% functionality,
Allow me : WHAW!

Quote - I vote for an AUTOFORWARD function.

Genesis is a Genesis.DS system.

As such it is NOT a stand alone figure.

As soon as Genesis or DS turn up? The post should be autoforwared to the DAZ forum.

That is thet ONLY way to avoid useless discussions like these.

Ok, I agree that with hacks the mesh can be used in Poser. But that's about it then.

10% functionality,
Allow me : WHAW!

Except there are people that want to use the DSON importer in Poser. If people don't like that or can't help them out, they are not obligated to reply or even look at the threads. Those are people are asking for help to use it in Poser, not DAZ, thus those threads belong here.

Rather than continuing these types of threads, perhaps those that feel like Poser should have comparable figures should make some type of action plan to take their grievances to Smith Micro rather than constantly bash DAZ. Bashing DAZ and its products really serves no purpose than to stir up emotions and cause fighting.

How about talking about things you can do to get the ball rolling at SM so you have the figures you need? Seems far more productive than what is happening in these type of threads.

How about turning this thread into something that you can turn into an action plan to let SM know what you want without turning it into another app war?

"Productive would be": DAZ releasing a fully Poser compatible figure.

Hey, The meshes are OK, no complains there.

And? ? MOST of us have been asking that for months, no, years already.

All DAZ has to do is release a fully Poser compatible figure.

And then you will see content sales boom through the roof.

Damn it, vilters! You said Genesis three times too fast and then he showed up! Well, that's it then! two pages. It was a good run before the thread got locked.