Remember when DAZ used to create a void. Remeber all the hype for V4 before she was released? Or the way DAZ hyped Studio4 before it's release; and the riot that followed when they tried to charge for it?

Same with G2F and G2M, but C8.5 bearly merited a forum post.

With C8.5 being in beta for so long it didn't really need any hype, it had already been shown and discussed quite a bit before release. But if it hadn't been for users spreading the word on other forums, most people never would have known it had been released. 

Before DAZ got bought out a few years back I had little birdies at DAZ. If I had a good question I couldn't get a DAZ_ to answer, I'd email Chris. We also had 3 DAZ_ reps that spoke with us often enough on the forum. Yes they may have posted answers few and far between, but they did respond to us; eventually. Now...... nothing. Carraraests are now childern lost in the dark begging for answers and only hearing crickets and tree frogs.

As I said, a slip of the tongue leads me to beleve there will be a C9. But when it may be released and what all it will have is a mystery. When DAZ changed hands it went from a bit of news or a status update once and a while to nothing.

In my opinin DAZ needs to grow a pair, man up, and tell us what is going on. It would be better then this feminen "I know what I have to say will upset you, so I just wont say it" that we are getting now. Just man up, tell us what is going on, and deal with the fall out.

Sorry ladies, but my X was a pro at that. knock, knock, knock, "Oh did I tell you we were having Anna's bachloret party here"?

And that is what I am trying to get them to do, but it's like getting blood from a stone :/

Ok, why is Ringo selling carrara shaders for DAZ figures that don't work in C8.5?

Seriously, I'm sure you can get G2F/M in to carrara, and the morphs will work. I've done it repeatedly. But once there then what? Poses wont work, mats wont work animations wont work. So you load G2F/M, apply the morphs then.... you have a static character.

Now I'm not going to say anything about the skins, I know Ringo does excellent work. But it's like buying a paint job for a car that doesn't run.

Oh, could some one PM tiggersprings and tell him preset sences are the way to go. Make sure your cameras and lights load cenetered, then save it as an easy drop in after you load your figure. My best one is free at the carraracafe.

Quote - Oh, could some one PM tiggersprings and tell him preset sences are the way to go. Make sure your cameras and lights load cenetered, then save it as an easy drop in after you load your figure. My best one is free at the carraracafe.

I just did PM Tigger,

by the way, Stan, Tig is also here on Rendo. I usually run into him over at the Prime forum.

http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?userid=430115

Thanks. I don't read the prime forum here, just the carrara and Studio forums. I get in to bad enough arguments DAZ cheerleaders on the Studio forum ;)

Quote - Oh, could some one PM tiggersprings and tell him preset sences are the way to go. Make sure your cameras and lights load cenetered, then save it as an easy drop in after you load your figure. My best one is free at the carraracafe.

Peeks in Hi! Thank you.  I'm a bewildered new Carrara 8.5 Pro user.  :biggrin:  I haven't learned much yet.  This thread concerns me a little; I hadn't realized there were tons of issues with the software that I just bought.  But, I guess that's typical of the 3DVerse.  Luckily, I caught it on some sort of "flash" sale gimmick, and used a couon and some gift certificates, so I didn't pay too much for it.  My only previous experience with it came from one of the parred down "Essentials" versions (but it didn't run well on the old PC).

As far as Genesis... I'm a Poser user, who doesn't use DSON (I tried a couple of times to install it, with only frustration as a reward).  I really dislike Daz Studio and have never made much time for it.  So Carrara 8.5 is my first real taste of Genesis 1.  So far, mixed feelings, mostly because of my inexperience with Carrara's cameras and lights... LOL 

On the subject of Genesis 1 compatibility.... The way to make sure that clothing will be compatible is to make sure there's an obj file, if I've read the contents of this thread correctly?  Is that right? I got this outfit of off FastGrab, and it seemed to load ok, but I didn't get my character posed and stuff before I had to shut down (life is chaos). I thought I saved the scene, but I can't find it this morning. LOL

http://www.daz3d.com/fast-grab-3d-models/space-age-behemoth-outfit

And, for the record, I am a female.  :lol:

Autofit in carrara wont work with out CMS. DAZ shuved that down our throats with the release version. In fact the last beta build was better then the release in many ways. More worked.

"I hadn't realized there were tons of issues with the software that I just bought."

Yes, and DAZ has made damn good and sure no one on the DAZ forums will know. To bad lemon laws don't cover CG apps. Figure if it's a bit older content it will work fine. That also means you can get all that Pclub $1.99 stuff and it should work without issues lol

None the less, once you are used to carrara you will find it superior to Studio in many ways. Even though you will have to learn how to use the shader room ;)

It's easy, like I say "If I can do it, any one can"

Well, for now, Daz Studio is installed. We've been thinking about reformatting the PC, so it might not be there for the long-haul. I even used the DIM, which I never had used before to install all the stuff with the Pro bundles that came with Carrara because I didn't feel like figuring out where to install everything.  I kind of feel like Carrara is a back door to gettiing people to use Studio, too. I wasn't pleased when I realized I was going to have to install DS. LOL But, oh well... I had colllected a few Genesis 1 things in my Daz account over the years, so maybe Carrara will be a way to use them, since I don't want to use DSON or Daz Studio. It's still early days with Carrara yet.

Why would you need to install Studio?

Do get me wrong, I think it's a great suport app for carrara especially when using Genesis G2F/M. But just as a prep app, like Hexagon or Genetica {modeler, textureer}. none the less you don't need it installed to use carrara, or genesis. I'm fairly sure all you would need to install is the genesis, G2F/M essentials.

I've thought about moving my library to my figures folder where all my runtimes are, but Studio and carrara have enough issues reading addresses. C8.5 can't read the texture addesses in Studio saved scenes. In my opinioin it is because Studio assumes you are working in the my library folder so doesn't use a full address; as in my library/runtime/textures/ect when it should be C: Documents/DAZ3D/Studio/my libaray/runtime/ect.

Now I am oposed to DIM and CMS. IMHO DIM is just a way for DAZ to chain newbies to DAZ content. It works with no other content, so if newbies use it all the time they never learn how to install content from other sites and as such puts them off shopping there. Yes the DAZ cheerleaders will try to argue about it's benefits, but there are illusional. Download, unzip, check folders, cut, paste done. Doesn't get any easier then that. The benefit to that is I have checked the content before installation to make sure folders and files are in the right place; or actually there lol And I know where my content is because I put it there, no question if DIM got it right. And just to make it more confusing Studio creats a "my library" folder for content, DIM creats and installs to "my DAZ3D libarary", and content actually comes zipped in a "content" folder. it's my opinion DAZ has done this purposly to confuse people and dicourage them from shopping any place they have to manually install content. There really is no other reason for the content folder mismatched names.

And as far as I'm concerned CMS is just DAZ DRM; and no you are not going to get me to change my mind. It scans your content folder to see what is there then verifies it by your purchesed products page. So DAZ knows real fast if there is any  DAZ content in your folder you didn't buy from DAZ. And as far as keeping track of content updates, well first DAZ would have to update some content {LOL} And if something is updated it moves to the top of your purchesed products list in your account at DAZ; I think.

And the cheery on that sunday is 1/3 of the posts on the DAZ Studio forum are from people having issues with DIM and CMS. That in and of it's self is enough to put me off it. And considering DAZ content might be 1/3 of my content, DIM and CMS would be pretty usless to me.

New and shinny does not mean better ;)

DAZ doesn't know "real fast" what you have - DIM gets a list of your files from your account and compares that with the files on your system to see if there are updates, but it doesn't pay any attention to other files and it doesn't report back to DAZ on what it finds either way.

Quote - New and shinny does not mean better ;)

 

That is very often the case with so much, especially with tech stuff these days.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/44239/

As said run the aniblock in Studio; animate2 is invaluable when trying to use aniblocks on genesis, G2F/M. Bake to timeline and save as scene subset. You can then open the scene right in to Carrara. Works fine, done it many times and gives you the added benefit of being able to use Optitex dynamic clothing. {C8.5}

I've been working with aniblocks and optitex clothing since C7 when I had to use DAZ collada; which wroked quite well at one time.

Hey, if DAZ would drop my ban, give me the forum title "doomsayer" and get off my back about my negative opinoin/attitude. They could benefit from the "outside the box" work I do. Really, they would be hard pressed to find some one that uses the Studio/carrara comb as much as I do. lol That is just in case a DAZ_ is reading this and has the power to do it. Do I expect it? Sure, right after DAZ releses C8.6 ;)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the DIM.  It did make my life a bit easier setting up Carrara Pro 8.5 with Genesis, but if I reformat or clean the PC, I  think I'll just move that entire library over to anoter drive or save it to a dual-layer DVD.

I installed Studio because some of the content of the bundles weren't showing in Carrara.  I installed Studio and ran the database management thing and now they show.  

Sorry for untimely replies. A lot of the time, don't get the bot notifiers in e-mail.

I check this forum regular, if I'm not running my mouth, carrara forums seem pretty dead. And I am always working on something lol

My figures folder has been around since before I got C5. I used to download static people models to smooth and retexture in Metasequoia and then render in Kirkythea.

Still have my mil2 runtimes lol. I've been running multiple runtimes much longer then I have used Studio. There for a long time the only Studio content I used was Optitex clothing; to sim and send to carrara. I've used Studio and the Hex bridge since Studio got some tools.

L I still have my old Mayadoll runtime lol A figure that was ahead of it's time, then forgotten about.

Ey, that is smart content, little more then a sparkely decal on a trunk lid. Wounldn't work with 95+-% of my content. IMHO it really is little more then a customer hook. Best way to keep you from using none DAZ content is to make sure you never see it even after it's installed. Same with DIM, get used to it and how do you install content from any other content vender?

Right now I am having a lot of fun using ghastly's freebie clothes from shareCG. DIM and CMS would be useless with it.

Even at their most innocuous DIM and CMS limit what content you use. Not what you can use, you just have to install it manually and look for it in the regular Studio content folders; not smart content.

I couldn't tell you how many Poser runtimes I have. I know there are lots... I used to know the list by heart, but... Kind of gotten away from me. LOL  I haven't even imported my Poser runtimes into Carrara yet. I've been playing with a mix of it's native content and the stuff from those big bundles hat came with it (Genesis stuff), and the small handful of Genesis 1 stuff that I had purchased (a couple of FastGrabs and stuff).  At one point, I had wanted to try to learn Daz Studio, but it and I never got to be on a friendly basis... :lol:

Oh Studio is easy enough, its just the menus in a submenu's menu can get confusing. lol

The problem with that is I have done stuff that worked great, then couldn't recall how I did it

Remeber all your old Poser stuff should work fine. Mil 2-4 figures work fine. V4/M4 can really show you what carrara can do with figures. As in if modeling in the assembly room worked as well with Genesis/G2F/M as it does the mil 4 figures, most all the issues caused by autofit could be fixed easily.

You can just do a runtime search with carrara, but it adds all of them, even the ones you didn't know you had lol. I have mine sorted by figure, archatecture, assories, flora, vehicals; my props folder exploded lol But I have quite a few runtimes I don't really use any more. They are more for the clothes I have converted to other figures.

I mean I don't use the mil2/3 figures any more, but I still use a lot of their clothes, hair, and assories.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/44601/P15

That is an issue with the way carrara reads ivygen's leaves. Quite a few people have found Ivygen doesn't work with carrara any more. Some change DAZ did borked it.

The only fix it to reUVmap every leaf.

Note: worked/s fine in C7.

Quote - Oh Studio is easy enough, its just the menus in a submenu's menu can get confusing. lol

The problem with that is I have done stuff that worked great, then couldn't recall how I did it

Remeber all your old Poser stuff should work fine. Mil 2-4 figures work fine. V4/M4 can really show you what carrara can do with figures. As in if modeling in the assembly room worked as well with Genesis/G2F/M as it does the mil 4 figures, most all the issues caused by autofit could be fixed easily.

You can just do a runtime search with carrara, but it adds all of them, even the ones you didn't know you had lol. I have mine sorted by figure, archatecture, assories, flora, vehicals; my props folder exploded lol But I have quite a few runtimes I don't really use any more. They are more for the clothes I have converted to other figures.

I mean I don't use the mil2/3 figures any more, but I still use a lot of their clothes, hair, and assories.

Sorry. I didn't get an e-bot notification and i've been a bit distracted...

Unfortunately, I'm not finding life with learning Carrara to be that easy.  When materials do import from Poser-friendly stuff, they look really bad when rendered.  The material poses (in pose folders) usually do not apply in Carrara. In at least one instance, even a Daz Studio friendly character for V4/Genesis I tried looked like materials aren't even apply to the right material zones. I need to investigate that more... I haven't had a lot of time...

Not a very happy experience so far. I won't be giving this program much more time. Maybe two weeks, at best...

If shaders don't look right, like the textures aren't aligning, it's the wrong UV. Just ask, you will be hard pressed to find a carraraest that wont try to help ;)

Quote - Learn the shaders, you will be astounded what you can do in them. First up, standard poser shader refit lol

If shaders don't look right, like the textures aren't aligning, it's the wrong UV. Just ask, you will be hard pressed to find a carraraest that wont try to help ;)

i'm not that far along yet. I hope to learn, but honestly, I have better things to do that apply textures to every material zone, of every item, that I bring into Carrara. I decided to try it because it was supposed to be able to use Poser-friendly content fairly well. Or so I thought. 

Quote - Unfortunately, I'm not finding life with learning Carrara to be that easy.  When materials do import from Poser-friendly stuff, they look really bad when rendered.  The material poses (in pose folders) usually do not apply in Carrara. In at least one instance, even a Daz Studio friendly character for V4/Genesis I tried looked like materials aren't even apply to the right material zones. I need to investigate that more... I haven't had a lot of time...

Not a very happy experience so far. I won't be giving this program much more time. Maybe two weeks, at best...

Stan's right. The more you know about Carrara's shader room the better off you'll be. I'm always, and Stan is too, adjusting Poser shaders in Carrara. My biggest gripe is that awful blue-green color that comes in with most V4 characters. That's the first thing that goes.

I will say that my journey deeper into Carrara's shaders is only just beginning after about 7 years with Carrara. I'm learning a lot and it's fun. I'm working on a project in my spare time that's just about learning shaders.

There are a lot of plugings from Inagoni and Digital Carvers Guild that add a lot of muscle to Carrara's shaders, too.

The simplest ones for Carrara come from Fenric. You can check out his site at Fenric.com and go to his Carrara plugins. He's got some very simple but useful plugins that deal with Poser mats as well as shaders in general. I use his Poser Shader Doctor often. It comes with the free Skin Doctor. Just a few simple clicks and the shaders are set to more Carrara friendly settings.

Also, how materials look have a lot to do with your lighting and render setup. This is all down to personal preference, but I alway make sure that Gamma correction is ticked on and set at 2.2 and scene ambience is set somewhere between 5 and 10 (the default 20 is much too high). The color of the scene ambience can also make a big difference. After that, set up your lights and go.

I know this isn't your first rodeo with 3D and I'm probably telling you much of what you already know, but I just had to toss my two cents into the ring. :)

Sorry, no ofence meant but carrara is not a load and shot app.  For the best results you will have to get your hands dirty. Thing is once you have a shader set up; like a figure skin, you can save it and just drag and drop it next time. Also You don't have to do it with absolutly every shader zone, you can get carrara to consolidate duplicate shaders. But it is not a click, click, click, render app.

Quote - http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/44601/P15

That is an issue with the way carrara reads ivygen's leaves. Quite a few people have found Ivygen doesn't work with carrara any more. Some change DAZ did borked it.

The only fix it to reUVmap every leaf.

Note: worked/s fine in C7.

Thank you for that comment. Yeah you'll note by the end of that thread I just deleted the ivy's from my scene. The Ivy was from a non-carrara prop, not make in Carrara. Googling Ivygen I see it is a plugin for Blender, is that correct?

Carrara Pro 8.5 was $65 for me this month, so I jumped in instead of budgeting in Vue or rebooting my machine everytime I wanted to use Bryce (I'm on a Mac, and Bryce no longer works in Mac, so I have it on a windows partition).

Becuase I've used both Carrara 1 and 5 before - I'm familiar enough with it that the UI wasn't as off-putting for me as for some people, and I've seen some of the quirky issues before. Now I just get to play with new quirky issues...

Quote - Unfortunately, I'm not finding life with learning Carrara to be that easy.  When materials do import from Poser-friendly stuff, they look really bad when rendered.  The material poses (in pose folders) usually do not apply in Carrara. In at least one instance, even a Daz Studio friendly character for V4/Genesis I tried looked like materials aren't even apply to the right material zones. I need to investigate that more... I haven't had a lot of time... Not a very happy experience so far. I won't be giving this program much more time. Maybe two weeks, at best...

Sorry you're having a hard time.

I'm hoping you stick with Carrara, because once you get it, you WILL like it.

It took me awhile to even go into the shader room. I initially found it confusing. I STILL don't really understand UV and how to use the mixers or any of that.

What I do know is how to swap out shaders and THAT is powerful. I took old props, some freebies, swapped the shaders it came with with Carrara shaders and WOW what a difference.

I admit, I have pretty much running and gunning and really haven't FULLY utilised Carrara. I'm STILL very happy with it. 

If you stick with it, I think you will come round.

oooom mixers are fun, especially the new shader mixer where you can mix 2 shaders based on a mask. So say you have an item where part of it should be chrome and the rest leather but it only has one shader. You can use a leather and a chrome shader then use a mask so the chrome shader is only on the metal parts.

The thing is shaders never convert regardless of the app. Studio shaders wont work in Poser. Poser shader work some what in studio but stil need tweaking. 3DS shaders wont work in C4D, Lightwave shaders wont work in Vue, Bryce shaders wont work in Blender and so on. Even though I can load the model with textures, shaders wont transcribe.

I'll also agree, as long as I have been using carraa there are still settings and features I have no clue how to use, or use best. And there are still settings in the render room that mystify me.

"Vapor Pens and Hookah" well I guess we see where DAZ stands on this topic lol

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/42386/

Quick some one save him from DAZ's brain washing. You absolutly do not need CMS to access new content. You don't need CMS at all. It doesn't work with 99% of the content I use all the time. Don't let DAZ limit you to DAZ content, that is what DIM and CMS is all about, a way to dissuade you from using any nonDAZ content.

And if mac comes out with a new OS, mac carrara users will be screwed because DAZ will not update C8.5 to the new OS.

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/11254/P30/

That has been an issue since C7. Carrara has issues with trasparencys/alphas close to the model when using GI. You have the same problem with eyebrowse on mill3 figures and hair on any figure. I've gripped about it repeatedly just to be blown off.

You can try turning off the item cast shaow, but this only works rarely.

Why do you think mil4 and genesis/G2 have no seperate eyebrow mesh now? Because they cast shadows; even in Studio.

I'm pretty sure I tried the things to person in the last post suggested - but I'm not 100% sure, so when I 'get home and get the chance' I am going to test it one last time - because think the 'double prop-prop' still freaked out when GI was on, even when I tried his suggestions.

I do know I did try flipping off cast and recieve shadows on the prop.

BUT I did NOT turn off shadows on the base genesis-2-human figure... (obviously turning that off would create serious other issues in the look of a render...)

I guess if I wanted to get into adult-animation with Carrara, I'd be exploring my M4/V4 collection... and I could see people needing that being very upset because it does appear that genesis compatability was the point of the 8.5 upgrade.

I am mildly curious now as to what app people who do such animation actually do use - given that the quality of such animation has been horrid everytime I wandered across it, maybe they're just sticking to Poser / Daz directly?

(Then again the poor scene composition and dismal lighting of such animations tends to imply the lack of quality rendering is not due to app-choice... :) ).

Quote - I guess if I wanted to get into adult-animation with Carrara, I'd be exploring my M4/V4 collection... and I could see people needing that being very upset because it does appear that genesis compatability was the point of the 8.5 upgrade. I am mildly curious now as to what app people who do such animation actually do use - given that the quality of such animation has been horrid everytime I wandered across it, maybe they're just sticking to Poser / Daz directly?

(Then again the poor scene composition and dismal lighting of such animations tends to imply the lack of quality rendering is not due to app-choice... :) ).

I use Carrara for animation.

I can't speak for the lighting (I do the best I can), but it helps to be a decent vidoegrapher or photographer and translate that experience to Carrara.

Yes the mill 4 figures would work best for this, there are any number of detail morphs that will work with out issue; I assume from what little I have seen, I mean while checking RenderE{yes I am regestered there  }. But with out proper lighting and smooth animation an intimate scene might as well be flippage porn lol

My advice on intimate lighting is short drop off. Start with 100% drop off at 1m. Lean it to the red/orange, make it warm. Holly is much better at this sort of lighting then I am.

Sorry, not a big advocate of "PoserPorn". But the biggest issue I have seen in the few animations I've stumble across, is the characters are rigid and weightless. Good animation takes more then just the motions.

Did you ever get a school book where something was drawn in the corners so if you flipped through it seemed to aniamte? Flippage animation lol

Was just lurking around the Carrara forum and got into reading this thread, but it's been sad reading if I'm understanding it correctly.

Have DAZ stopped development of Carrara?

If so, I'm really very sorry to hear that because although I don't use Carrara, I do have it and like it very much (in fact I even have a copy of RayDream Studio from years back which is what it used to be called).  But yup, I purchased the Carrara 8.5 Pro upgrade not loo long ago.  I hope I'm misunderstanding what I read here because to lose Carrara would be to lose one of the most powerful all-in-one solutions out there!

I'd say that's an incredibly dumb move if they've ditched Carrara.

Nobody here knows the status of Carrara. Speculation and rumor. I do know that DAZ isn't particularly good at communicating. That's for certain. 

According to an independent survey about 5 years ago, Carrara was the third most installed CG software. Many hobbiest to be sure, but I don't think DAZ will be dropping a product with that kind of market penetration - especially if it helps sell digital content. . 

Due to a slip of the tongue I'm more posative about C9 then negative. But I have heard nothing official.

And I can understand why DAZ is hezitent to say anything. Their past track record of what they said was going to happen and what actually happened is very bad. I wont say they were lieing, just over confident in their ability to deliver.

But I think most will agree DAZ has never had a good grip on carrara's handle. As in they don't seem to know how to market it or how to devleope it to retain long time carrara users.

What was the slip of the tongue you caught, Stan?  Last I heard anything, it was supposed to be C9 in 1st quarter of 2014, but we're past that now and not a peep... 

Sure would like for Carrara development to continue, it is my favorite app by far.  Nothing else comes close to what Carrara can do as an all-in-one solution.

I noted in one of the threads over on Daz...

Its thorny because it competes with their main application: Daz Studio.

Its poorer competition in some ways (assembly room and model compatibility) but then far better in others.

BUT mostly... Carrara is not a beginner app. You don't have to be advanced for it... but you need to be beyond just loading in the latest naked female character and hitting the make art button...

And that is risky.

Because selling nude female character is the bread and butter of a digital-Barbie shop.

Anything that makes it harder for your customer to play with the dolls is bad.

Carrara is fine as a 'now that you have learned Daz, move on to this' application... except it isn't. Its NOT 'Advanced Daz Studio' - you open it and end up seeing a UI based not on Daz Studio, but on a fork from Poser 4. Carrara is using a UI developed by Metacreations, and refined over the years...

So its got this odd space to fill...

It would be the perfect application to sell for the customers who have moved beyond the make-art button but are not professional modelers... except that to be in that niche it should work well with Daz Studio from a training perspective, rather than against.

You could make C9 use Daz Studio's UI and drop the Assembly room for just having it bolt onto the side of Daz Studio... and then anger all of your existing Carrara users...

Or you could revise Daz Studio's UI to be that of Carrara's Assembly, Shader, and Render rooms... and anger all of your existing Daz Studio users...

The ideal solution in that... isn't.

Quote - Nobody here knows the status of Carrara. Speculation and rumor.

That's true. Unfortunately, one person putting forth speculation is based on a reliable source and unfortunately (in this case) the person has been more accurate than not.

Quote - I do know that DAZ isn't particularly good at communicating. That's for certain.

True.

Quote - According to an independent survey about 5 years ago, Carrara was the third most installed CG software.

Wow. I hadn't heard that. That's GOOD news.

Quote - but I don't think DAZ will be dropping a product with that kind of market penetration - especially if it helps sell digital content. .

I agree, but then again stranger things have happened.

I guess all we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.

"According to an independent survey about 5 years ago, Carrara was the third most installed CG software."

wow that's interesting, I wonder who did the survey, what the number of participants were, where they found these particpants and who the first two softwares were, also I note the word 'installed' isnt the same word as 'used'.

I love Carrara, I dont want everybody using it then I wouldn't be 'special...' ;)

I know, I'll always be special, go on , say it.....

While contacting DAZ about all the issues with C8.5; namely that it wasn't very good at what it was built to do, be compatable with Genesis. It sliped that there wouldn't be an C8.6 and I might expect fixes in C9.

DAZ is notorius about not saying anything that might curtail sales. So like Bryce and Hexagon, DAZ would never say Carrara was out of development for fear of curtailing Carrara sales. So even though it was hinted that there was going to be a C9, there really is no reason to beleive there actually will be. 

My banning is an example. I posted for a third time; because the first two posts got removed, an answer to the question "should I buy Genesis items of G2F items". I told them Genesis was out of development and DAZ was doing nothing more with it. Oh at the time DAZ said genesis was still under development and I was banned for my "wild speculations". Guess what? Yep, DAZ never did another damn thing with Genesis.

So even if a DAZ rep stepped up and said "Carrara 9 has been delaid because of a compatability issue the subcontracter is having dificulties working out". I still wouldn't believe them till it came out.

None the less, that slip of a tongue from some one at DAZ is the best hope I have gotten for C9 so far.

Thanks all for the heads-up, looks like a wait and see situation then

I hope it turns out well for Carrara, and to be fair, I think in the long run it probably will.  DAZ never struck me as a company that know how to structure a business (I think there's plenty of things they've done that is proof enough of that already).  They just seem to potter along, trying to balance this with that, hoping that the outcome of one venture will be enough to fund the next.

To me, that's just the way they seem to operate, but who knows.

It's obvious DAZ Studio is going to get the most attention, it's the only program they own that they've developed from the ground up - it's the only one that is truly their baby.  If anything, I'd guess the delay for Carrara 9 is getting the Genesis stuff working well, because from a content point of view, that's their baby as well.

I like carrara 8.1 , it's to daz's detriment that gen x is a pita to get to work. ie don't worry be happy make art and  Have fun 

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@manleystanley**
Sorry, hadn't seen you post when I replied.

So you're banned from DAZ?
Join the club :biggrin:

I'm even on a last warning here :scared:

I got to watch myself. I have been band from the Defiance forum; game, twice. Each time I pointed out I haddn't technically violated the TOS. So they unbanned me.... and changed the TOS lol

Quote - I know, I'll always be special, go on , say it.....

'it'

You know you saw that coming, right?

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@manleystanley**
Tried that, they still banned me though!

@David
Last time I heard a joke like that it was coming from ... well ... you :biggrin:

Heh, heh.

One of the biggest issues I had on the DAZ forum is I can't speak polititon. I mean no matter what I do I can't express a negative emotion about a negative subject, in a positive way. You are free to express a negative opinion on the DAZ forum as long as you don't do it in a negative way    

Why so much aggressive obsession against the DAZ company ?
We have C8 which works very well !
I don't know C8.5, but thanks to its exit, DAZ shows us that they works on the program.
I know, it is with the main goal of integrating Genesis and all the items which go with it, but we don't need that to carry out excellent things in Carrara which still forms part of the best softwares of the moment.
I believe that the “Wait and see” is much more constructive than unfruitful speculations, which should not prevent us to informing DAZ what the users would like to see evolving or integrating in the program…

Quote - Why so much aggressive obsession against the DAZ company ?
We have C8 which works very well !
I don't know C8.5, but thanks to its exit, DAZ shows us that they works on the program.
I know, it is with the main goal of integrating Genesis and all the items which go with it, but we don't need that to carry out excellent things in Carrara which still forms part of the best softwares of the moment.
I believe that the “Wait and see” is much more constructive than unfruitful speculations, which should not prevent us to informing DAZ what the users would like to see evolving or integrating in the program…

We have been doing that since DAZ bought carrara, I have seen very little evidence DAZ is listening to anything we say. The fact that there isn't/not going to be a C8.6 is proof enough of that.

The angst is easy enough to explane, most carraraest are sick and tierd of be treated like second class customers.

DAZ sells content. It is in DAZ best interest then to make sure the apps it develops are compatable with said content. C8.5 was 2 years in the making to make it compatable with DAZ content. Before release DAZ knew it wasn't compatable with G2F/M or geographting, and that is was only margenally compatable with genesis/DUF. DAZ released C8.5 anyway and in a year has done nothing to update it to make it compatable with the figures it was suposed to be being built to be compatable with.

In other words DAZ isn't interested in selling carraraests content. If DAZ was carrara would have been updated to be compatable before release, and would have been updated to be able to use the latest releases; if you have bought poses/mat/morphs made in the last 6 months you would know carrara is not compatable with some DUF format change DAZ has made.

If you are going to charge me for a version of Carrara that is suposed to be compatable with the next generation of figures you had best make sure it is actually compatable. I do most all of my genesis/G2F/M staing in Studio because C8.5 isn't that compatable, certainly not with G2F/M or any of the latest posers, mats, or morphs.