I'm not locked in the basement just yet. But I might be if I let the Wicked Witch of the West out of her cage....

With that said, staff are working on a clearer clarification of the rules. First we need to do that so we, the staff, can be absolutely certain what they are before any announcements are made. As hornet3d said, give us time to do so. All this yelling at staff, posting of personal irrelevant information, & complaining (cause that's what it is) is only slowing the process & adding to the stress we are already under.

No complainig???

Then how are we to voice our dissatisfaction @ the direction this site is headed?

Oh, wait... I fergot; we're just s'posed to eat it & smile. My bad.

@ 3DFineries Right now the air is charged very highly with disgruntled Members and also with Staff that does not really know what to do about it.

Hope does her best, but, i suggest she stops starting posts about making changes or anything regarding the whole dilemma because, ANY new Thread she starts will end up like this one, or the one before it and the one before that.

WE the Members feel angry about quite a few things since this big * Revolution * Site change. WE the Members need a place to vent and get thing of our chest. YOU the Community Manager/ Forum Moderators, I am afraid , are on the frontline and you will get the most of our anger , and that is something that is NORMAL in this kind of job, isn't it? You should be prepared for those events and you should use common sense and stop posting until there is something that really is worth posting about, changes that WE the Members want to see.

WE the Members and the Vendors on this Site paying your monthly wages, we are not just order numbers and stores. WE the Members and Vendors are the reason why there is a Renderosity. The Galleries are just a place but the forums, they are the heart of a Community and if you shut us up * threads closed * or posts deleted you will stop this heart from beating and NO ONE wants this to happen.

So my suggestion is, do not start new threads before you have something to post that actually IS a change.

Raindrop, I've been part of the WE the membership for over a decade now. I've been a vendor for a few years already too. Looooooong before I became a mod. I've seen this so many times before that it's not funny. I became a Coordinator because I LOVE this community, but let me tell you as of late, I'm seriously disappointed in how some people have been acting. There's no excuse, no matter how angry you are, for anyone to take it out on any one else.

Members complain when they get bullied, we step in. Then we're the ones censoring. We make changes & we're the ones who get bullied. The rules are good only when they suit the member & only when they need them to suit them. Sorry, it's childish behavior at best.

3dFineries, I do agree with you, that is why I posted this. It is better NOT to start new threads at this moment in time because chances are, they will end up like the ones before.

As I said, I feel sorry for Hope and any other forum moderator or Coordinator, they are on the front line.

But we as Members , I am here since 2004 , need a place to vent, but just closing threads with the words * there is nothing more to be discussed * is just not right, it is downright patronising and with those actions you just ask for trouble because we shall let you know that this is not ok.

And please do not forget that this Site would not exist without us, the Members, Customers and Vendors, so please do not belittle us or patronise us when we have things to say that we feel are important.

I don't want to upset anyone be it staff or members, I do tend to see both sides for better or for worse. Believe me I have been upset with many of the changes, the linking rules do not really affect me personally, but the Prime changes did, as did the site changes and the changes to the gallery. The result was I was that upset I stopped buying from here and deleted my gallery. I have seen the forums start to become almost all out war but I beg everyone to take time chill a little. Members are upset, and rightly so, but we appear to have a couple of people that can make the change at least understand. I don't want to see them the victims of friendly fire or may be that should be unfriendly fire.

Wars don't help anyone in the long run. All wars can only ever end with people talking to each other and trying to understand the other person's view. We have to be realistic, no major changes are going to happen overnight. We can't complain, well we can but not fairly, that statements that are not clear and then complain when people want to take the time to try and get it right first time.

Any community is made up of members with some very different views and no one is going to be totally happy. I remember the words to one song that states 'no one is completely on your side' how true that is but seeing other's differences and accepting them is what a community is all about.

I am not preaching, I am not taking sides and I do not want to upset anyone but I do not want to see the efforts of those trying to help be lost in all the complaints and recriminations.

Hey @everyone - again, we're not censoring you. But, you do need to be respectful to everyone. Sure, we're the ones on the "front line," but that doesn't mean you need to disrespect admins/coords/mods. I'm just specifically talking to one person, rather, I'm talking to everyone as a whole.

And, like 3dfineries pointed out, when members are being bullied, we are first to step in and stop it. We/I don't want any members feeling like they're being attacked because it's your home. But, we work here, so it's our home too. We love it just as much as you guys do.

In fact, I HATE bullies and I have been bullied in my life. So, I'd prefer members not to bully me/other staff members.

As artists, you are passionate, sometimes sensitive and very opinionated. I completely get that because as a writer, I'm the same way. However, I don't/won't let my anger get the best of me. I get you're frustrated and angry about the changes. And, going forward, in terms of the community, I'll ask for members opinions for big changes. I know no matter what I say, you'll tell me I don't understand or don't get it, but again, all of us are listening to you.

May we still ask questions? You mentioned you're a writer. What authors have inspired you, and what are your favorite genres?

We have asked questions. I asked three in my last post. I should like to see answers to those, if that's ok.

Sorry, I'll tiptoe out of the forum.

fivecat posted at 5:00PM Wed, 02 March 2016 - #4258862

Sorry, I'll tiptoe out of the forum.

Don't you dare :-) I was only pointing out that questions aren't being answered yet. Your question is a cool one and could get this thread back on course again. Let's hope it is answered too.

My favorite genres are drama, romance and comedy. I'd say I'm a true romantic at heart! I'm partial to Edgar Allan Poe, Nicholas Sparks, Sarah Dessen - just to name a few.

I'm not surprised to hear you're a romantic at heart. I prefer science fiction. My favorite authors are Hugh Howey and Rosemary Kirstein, although I read all of the usual scifi masters.

I'll have to read books by those authors at some point. Thanks for the names!

hopeandlove posted at 6:16PM Wed, 02 March 2016 - #4258864

My favorite genres are drama, romance and comedy. I'd say I'm a true romantic at heart! I'm partial to Edgar Allan Poe, Nicholas Sparks, Sarah Dessen - just to name a few.

I love Edgar Allen Poe! Do you prefer his stories or his poetry?

As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.

And the Raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting

I'd say I'm a fan of BOTH! I used to read him work all the time and college and I couldn't wait because I actually understood it. Some of the works we needed to read were in Old English, which were incomprehensible.

Why not share some of your writing with us? While you may not share our love of 3D art, the desire to be creative in other ways could still help establish a common bond. To show good faith, I shall reciprocate, by sharing a piece of my own poetry inspired by Poe ...

Regret

In a shadow'd room lit by a mocking flame

I look upon your face, say your secret name.

Though Time has told its evil lies

To hide your beauty from my eyes,

I am not deceived by that Eternal Liar

You are, to me yet fair; still my heart's desire.

(Can beauty live though its body dies?

Can a heart love, though it cries?)

No breath escapes your lips, so still your pale breast,

Your heart beats no more; no dream disturbs your rest.

I reach, take your cold hand in mine

(Lifeless fingers with mine entwine),

I long to hold you now, to stroke your ruined hair,

Kiss those ashen lips that taste of my despair.

(How long have you lain in this dark place?

How long since that last, fatal embrace?)

Crimson tears, that stain mute lips with living red

I weep, and wish it were I who lay there dead.

(In time you'll be no more than dust

Victim of my unholy lust)

You begged for life, I gave you death, would not give

That eternal life of sorrow that my kind live.

That's awesome! I love it!

How about an article I wrote called : Comparing 'In Love' vs 'Love'

We define "love" in different ways. We love our family simply because they're blood, our friends for always being there, our co-workers for taking on a project when we've got too much on our plate, our animals for giving support and companionship and our significant other for remaining faithful. You see, we don't just love one person in this world, we love multiple others at the same time. But, when it comes to love, there is a huge difference between simply being "in love" and "loving someone."

I love my family and friends, but I'm in love with my boyfriend. And, the question that we often ponder is "how do you truly know if you're in love?" You can misconstrue being in love for infatuation. If you've never been in love before, how the heck do you know if you truly love that person? You may google "how do you know if you're in love" and read through a list of ways to tell. Then, you think, "hm... since most of those coincide with how I'm feeling, I must be in love." And, I'm not discredited any websites because, hello, some of them come from valuable sources and there are plenty of studies out there. I'm saying that every person and couple is different. No one loves their boyfriend, girlfriend, husband or wife in the same way.

There could be similarities in every romantic relationship, but they'll never be exactly alike.

I'm not a scientist or an expert in the relationship field, I'm just simply going off of my experience. This is how I knew I was in love: despite my boyfriend's quirks and issues, at the end of the day, I accepted him for who he was as a person.

In the past, when I was infatuated, the decision to break it off with a guy was a bit simpler. I mean, it was still hard, but I knew we truly were not meant for each other. Time and time again, I'd date these guys that would let me down. I knew I deserved better, what I wanted in a partner and would no longer settle.

When you're in love, it actually hurts to be away from them for too long; you constantly miss them even when you've spent the whole day together; you feel complete when you're around them; they make you a better person; you love going to bed and waking up to them every morning and you will never get tired of them even if they drive you bonkers!

Being in love isn't easy or simple. At times, it absolutely sucks because you constantly fear the other person hurting you at any given moment. It's about sacrifice, pain, hurt, learning, putting the other first, and doing everything in your power to protect them. They have your heart and you have theirs. Do what you want with it, just try not to harm it in any way possible because well, haven't you ever heard of people dying from a broken heart?

Be careful; be mindful; be yourself. And, most of all, just love them.

Hey, we're getting somewhere :) I do hope, though, that this spontaneous foray into creative writing isn't distracting you too much from answering the question posed earlier in the thread ;-)

Anyway ...

.. Your article interested me on many levels. I'm no expert on love either, despite the amount of practice I've had I could, however, empathise with much of what you wrote. In my early years love was a very confusing matter but, like you, there came a time when it started to make sense. Unfortunately, I'm a generation older than you and I've had time to go full full circle and find it confusing all over again. Still, it's more fun this time around!

It's interesting that you emphasise the differences between people. Certainly they exist and it's the subtle nuances between us that keeps life vibrant and interesting, but perhaps people are more similar than they are different? I'll propose an idea: maybe it's our similarities that makes art possible?

By way of explanation, consider what it would be like if everyone spoke a different language? Nobody would be able to communicate effectively. Speaking a common language helps us to understand each other. Likewise, that our emotions share a common language and experience means that an artist can communicate through their work with us at an emotional level. A sad film, an uplifting song, a funny joke, a romantic love poem - they all work because people get them, they elicit the same emotions that the artist had in mind when creating their work.

So when someone writes about love as you did, or Byron pens his love poems, or Bronte writes her love stories, perhaps they are illustrating just how similar we all are, that we should understand them and respond to them in such similar ways.

What do you think?

Thanks to Hope, Malysse and Fivecat for snapping me out of the negative funk this thread has become. There were some legitimate points brought up on both sides. But damn this thing just goes on and on..... nobody getting any happier. I was tempted at times to jump in and throw some more gas on the fire. This kind of thing just sucks you in and takes the joy out of you. But this last bit reminds me of good things:shared interest, community helpfulness. Being apart of this site is like a marriage if it's not working out then leave. Don't stay and hate the other person. Leave and be glad you don't have to deal with situation anymore. Or stay and work it out but what ever you don't make yourself miserable about shit you have no control over.

Hey Fivecat thanks for putting me onto some good reading material. I checked out Hugh Howey on amazon. He has a huge amount of positive reviews. So I bought the Wool series 1-5. As soon as I get done with the Iron Druid series I'm gonna give em a go. You ever read any of Larry Niven's stuff? A Mote in God's eye and the Ring World series are really good.

Cybermonk posted at 6:03PM Wed, 02 March 2016 - #4258964

Thanks to Hope, Malysse and Fivecat for snapping me out of the negative funk this thread has become. There were some legitimate points brought up on both sides. But damn this thing just goes on and on..... nobody getting any happier. I was tempted at times to jump in and throw some more gas on the fire. This kind of thing just sucks you in and takes the joy out of you. But this last bit reminds me of good things:shared interest, community helpfulness. Being apart of this site is like a marriage if it's not working out then leave. Don't stay and hate the other person. Leave and be glad you don't have to deal with situation anymore. Or stay and work it out but what ever you don't make yourself miserable about shit you have no control over.

Hey Fivecat thanks for putting me onto some good reading material. I checked out Hugh Howey on amazon. He has a huge amount of positive reviews. So I bought the Wool series 1-5. As soon as I get done with the Iron Druid series I'm gonna give em a go. You ever read any of Larry Niven's stuff? A Mote in God's eye and the Ring World series are really good.

I envy you the first reading of Wool. I also can recommend shift,sand and dust. I love Larry Niven, he was part of what made me love science fiction. Also Gene Wolfe and Isaac Asimov.

Cybermonk posted at 9:51AM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4258964

Thanks to Hope, Malysse and Fivecat for snapping me out of the negative funk this thread has become. There were some legitimate points brought up on both sides. But damn this thing just goes on and on..... nobody getting any happier. I was tempted at times to jump in and throw some more gas on the fire. This kind of thing just sucks you in and takes the joy out of you. But this last bit reminds me of good things:shared interest, community helpfulness. Being apart of this site is like a marriage if it's not working out then leave. Don't stay and hate the other person. Leave and be glad you don't have to deal with situation anymore. Or stay and work it out but what ever you don't make yourself miserable about shit you have no control over.

Hey Fivecat thanks for putting me onto some good reading material. I checked out Hugh Howey on amazon. He has a huge amount of positive reviews. So I bought the Wool series 1-5. As soon as I get done with the Iron Druid series I'm gonna give em a go. You ever read any of Larry Niven's stuff? A Mote in God's eye and the Ring World series are really good.

Well said, any community is much like a marriage, as with marriage it is not only finding the right person it is also a question of being the right partner.

Mind me if I don't engage much into entire off-topic about writing/journalism and such, but in my case I'd like to skip it and fast forward to changes regarding 3D, as I have abandoned my writing past back 7 years ago when I decided to engage more into visual art.

I however have a few questions about this particular website and what it does and how it presents itself which is really bothering me. As a Daz Studio user and also Daz vendor (yes, hi that's me) I was really thrown aback by Renderosity's marketing tries to put down everything Daz related. First against DRM, second against "Daz not being interested into doing anything about Poser compatibility" nicely thrown between the lines... then that particular newsletter "You can create THIS with our products" showing a render created by Kimberly which was very well executed, but for us who know products nothing in the highlighted render was actually from Renderosity, but from Daz store which was kinda contradictory to that newsletter in particular.

Mind me I am very torn on this site whether you want Daz Studio users at all, do you want to humiliate the app and call it out on each marketing occasion to chase us away or drag us in (I'm really confused), or do you want to do something about that dreadful font on the front page product banners to look more professional then they do now and skip entire Dazzers come here, Posers come here, or "everyone leave the forums/galleries/website if you have to voice opinion" mess you've made?

To me, lately, it seems Renderosity is doing nothing but fighting and loosing its battles. I understand competition factor and how this site wants to keep most people in, but honestly, you have to drill a few holes in that cardbox, because people really also need to breathe and you're not letting them. You want to make changes? Do take a day or two and go through the posts of people who left, stayed, gave inputs so far (even if reading through them makes you think they're attacking you, maybe they said something worth re-reading, because I'm sure they did). Bring those inputs up back again and say "this is what we did about this". People will appreciate it even if you're late with answering. That is my first suggestion, start from there. And don't continue putting down the competition on every occasion it really is uncalled for and most of us purchase on other sites as well which will not change (do notice how many expansions in your own store require having a base product from another).

Stop fighting. Start doing. You are backlogged already, so seeing some changes from previously brought up issues may bring actual refreshment and bring you back on the good side if you don't feel you're on it.

Best regards, V.

hopeandlove posted at 1:51PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4258608

Okay - as I said, ask anyway. What do you want to know about me so you guys can trust and respect me?

Thanks, @Johnny.

Trust and respect don't come from answering questions about yourself. They come from people observing your actions. It takes a while.

DTHUREGRIF posted at 9:26AM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259140

hopeandlove posted at 1:51PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4258608

Okay - as I said, ask anyway. What do you want to know about me so you guys can trust and respect me?

Thanks, @Johnny.

Trust and respect don't come from answering questions about yourself. They come from people observing your actions. It takes a while.

Absolutely true, it does take a while and people need to be given the space to think through their actions. Difficult to judge someone if most of their actions are the result of pressure to go down one particular route.

DTHUREGRIF posted at 12:00PM Fri, 04 March 2016 - #4259140

hopeandlove posted at 1:51PM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4258608

Okay - as I said, ask anyway. What do you want to know about me so you guys can trust and respect me?

Thanks, @Johnny.

Trust and respect don't come from answering questions about yourself. They come from people observing your actions. It takes a while.

Agreed.

I could not agree more. Don't need a biography from someone, just need to observe and see and read actions and words.

So if the community manager is a writer, why is it that the Writer's Forum and writers' sections of contests get such short shrift around here? And the Writer's Gallery is a joke...if you don't post an image, you get people telling you that your gallery is broken and if you do post an image as a placeholder you get comments on the image and not the writing!

And with all due respect, having been around the block a few times, there is no damn difference: love is love. There need to be no artificial constructions or obstructions. Certainly there are depths of feeling and certain relationships have romantic or erotic components to them, but damn it: love is love. The love I have for my dearest friends is no different from the love that I have for closest family.

And having been on the other side of the TOS and expressed my opinions on it, at length, to several moderators here, I don't think I need to state what side of that discussion I come down on.

hopeandlove posted at 6:51PM Wed, 09 March 2016 - #4258608

Okay - as I said, ask anyway. What do you want to know about me so you guys can trust and respect me?

Thanks, @Johnny.

Trust and respect doesn't come from your "resume", whether that's personal or professional. How great you are or have been to your friends and family or coworkers or bosses isn't relevant.

Trust and respect come from how you BEHAVE with the specific people whose trust and respect you are hoping to gain. One gains respect and trust by behaving in a trustworthy and reliable and respectful manner.

In other words, I don't care if you have won a Nobel Peace Prize; if you treat me badly, I won't trust you.

That's why we don't care about your personal life because it doesn't matter. Knowing things about you doesn't matter. What matters is what you DO -- HERE AT RENDEROSITY. Period.

In any case, I made some suggestions:

1. If there is a TOS violation in a thread, delete the violating post and inform the user EXACTLY what they did that was a violation. 2, If there are some posts that you feel are on the verge of a TOS violation, post a warning in that thread that SPECIFICALLY mentions the posts in question, and explains what you object to.
2. Do not lock threads in which there have not been repeated TOS violations.
3. Never lock a thread in which there have been no TOS violations simply because it makes you uncomfortable.

But it seems that my suggestions were taken as some sort of attack and the response -- which is understandable -- was defensiveness.

But maybe it would help to imagine that we are talking about other mods and admins and users at other forums and trying to figure out what might be going wrong with THEM. If we all looked at Renderosity as though we are seeing it from outside, we might be able to discuss it with a little more objectivity, rather than feeling the very natural and normal compulsion to defend our actions (something we users, I readily point out, do just as often as the mods). We're all human, after all.

Just a thought.

Cybermonk posted at 9:51AM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4258964

Being apart of this site is like a marriage if it's not working out then leave. Don't stay and hate the other person. Leave and be glad you don't have to deal with situation anymore. Or stay and work it out but what ever you don't make yourself miserable about shit you have no control over.

Maybe it's a marriage for some people. But seriously, for most people here?

For me, it's strictly a commercial relationship. And the forums are a diversion, an entertainment, and a source of information.

I don't see why I should "leave" unless the quality of the products from the specific vendors I support suddenly goes down, since that's my primary interest. As for "leaving" the forums, as long as I'm a customer and they are the primary way information about products is disseminated, I don't see how "leaving" serves me.

Finally, who on earth is "miserable" about Renderosity? Deeply dissatisfied, yes. But miserable? I think that's a huge exaggeration for most people. And it seems to suggest that the dissatisfied customers have some sort of unreasonable emotional response, putting the onus on them to change their expectations.

Simple fact is that Renderosity is a business, and its most vocal customers aren't happy. It's not a marriage, where both sides need to work at compromise. It's a commercial relationship, where the ALL of the burden to satisfy the customer is on the people GETTING THE MONEY, not the people GIVING it.

Edit: And if Rendo is getting plenty of sales from people who couldn't care less about the forums and galleries and so on, then they are fully within their right to basically ignore the "problems" there and work instead for the people who are actually paying their wages. If that's what's happening, it's okay with me. But as a customer, I'd appreciate just a tad more transparency. If the social parts of the site aren't a priority, say so. (Or at least, don't say that they are a priority because the cognitive dissonance breeds confusion and creates unmet expectations. In marketing parlance, in other words, "Don't promise what you can't -- or don't really want to -- deliver.")

It's a metaphor. I was just making an observation. A suggestion. Stay or leave. Do whatever you want. It wont change things either way.

@evilded777 I am familiar with your thoughts on a few areas of the TOS and as you know I even agreed on a few of those key points, likewise here and although I am not involved enough to give you specifics I know the Writers Gallery is currently being assessed and improvements where possible added. Maybe the whole section needs looking at as IMO it does appear a bit more like a gallery over a short story section and I wonder if there is not a better way for the writers to showcase their work. I have a couple of ideas that I will pass on to wolfenshire as he is actively trying to improve the writers section and has already pointed out a few areas of concern.

moriador posted at 8:15AM Thu, 10 March 2016 - #4260161

Cybermonk posted at 9:51AM Thu, 03 March 2016 - #4258964

Being apart of this site is like a marriage if it's not working out then leave. Don't stay and hate the other person. Leave and be glad you don't have to deal with situation anymore. Or stay and work it out but what ever you don't make yourself miserable about shit you have no control over.

Maybe it's a marriage for some people. But seriously, for most people here?

For me, it's strictly a commercial relationship. And the forums are a diversion, an entertainment, and a source of information.

I don't see why I should "leave" unless the quality of the products from the specific vendors I support suddenly goes down, since that's my primary interest. As for "leaving" the forums, as long as I'm a customer and they are the primary way information about products is disseminated, I don't see how "leaving" serves me.

Finally, who on earth is "miserable" about Renderosity? Deeply dissatisfied, yes. But miserable? I think that's a huge exaggeration for most people. And it seems to suggest that the dissatisfied customers have some sort of unreasonable emotional response, putting the onus on them to change their expectations.

Simple fact is that Renderosity is a business, and its most vocal customers aren't happy. It's not a marriage, where both sides need to work at compromise. It's a commercial relationship, where the ALL of the burden to satisfy the customer is on the people GETTING THE MONEY, not the people GIVING it.

Edit: And if Rendo is getting plenty of sales from people who couldn't care less about the forums and galleries and so on, then they are fully within their right to basically ignore the "problems" there and work instead for the people who are actually paying their wages. If that's what's happening, it's okay with me. But as a customer, I'd appreciate just a tad more transparency. If the social parts of the site aren't a priority, say so. (Or at least, don't say that they are a priority because the cognitive dissonance breeds confusion and creates unmet expectations. In marketing parlance, in other words, "Don't promise what you can't -- or don't really want to -- deliver.")

As is so often the case I am in agreement with your comments. One point I would make though is that, if they are getting plenty of sales from those who could not care less about the galleries and the forums I wish they would just close the forums. In my view it is better not to do something than to do it badly.

The downside of all the TOS discussion, which I do understand, is that there seems to be great deal of focus on it when there are many other factors that need to be addressed. The forums at the moment are largely not informative, in the hobby sense, as they are being used to complain about the whole shopping experience not just the forums.

I will however admit that my buying habits are not just based upon commercial matters as I dislike shopping anywhere if I feel my custom is not valued, such as here, and that is clearly based more in emotion than logic.

I totally agree, Hornet.

And I would much rather shop at a store which is simply not responsive to customers' demands than shop at one that says it is when it isn't. If a shop can't take customer suggestions because the decisions have already been made, it really ought to be very cautious about asking for such suggestions in the first place. Otherwise, it creates an expectation of responsivity that the shop can't deliver. Unless you're looking for a quick, one time sale, being straightforward is much better.

moriador posted at 8:25AM Fri, 11 March 2016 - #4260357

I totally agree, Hornet.

And I would much rather shop at a store which is simply not responsive to customers' demands than shop at one that says it is when it isn't. If a shop can't take customer suggestions because the decisions have already been made, it really ought to be very cautious about asking for such suggestions in the first place. Otherwise, it creates an expectation of responsivity that the shop can't deliver. Unless you're looking for a quick, one time sale, being straightforward is much better.

I think it comes down more to trust than emotions, if you have a company that listens and acts you trust them, if they just listen you don't. That has a knock on effect in that you then trust a company to put matters right if something goes wrong, such as a purchase that does not appear in the downloads once you have purchased it, if you don't trust them it is more a gamble than an outright purchase.

I think they would take the Galleries and the forums down and just keep the store, that would be their best bet as it stands right now.

@Hope

If you want to regain trust and respect, you can start by lifting the IP ban you wrongfully placed on my account without any explanation whatsoever.

In order for me to access the Marketplace I now have to go through unsecure proxies. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that this can pose a serious security risk for me, and since I am not willing to trust a proxy with my payment details, I am unable to spend any money here for the time being. There were several new products I was interested in buying, but until my IP is unblocked, that money will go to other brokerages. I am sure Renderosity don't need to lose any more money now.

OK, Looks like this thread is going downhill fast, so it's time to lock it.

@DreaminGirl, I did not forget about you as things have been really busy here.

I asked Hope if we can get together tomorrow morning so I will be in touch tomorrow I PROMISE.