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Subject: carrarActor - genesis 3


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 12:24 AM · edited Sat, 16 November 2024 at 11:43 PM

jumping ahead a lil bit, i uploaded a genesis 3 character to rmp works in carrara. not active yet

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PhilW ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 7:48 AM

Great - I hope this does really well for you!


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 8:07 AM

ty

we can all playyy

the poser forum figured out the g3 in poser riddle ages ago.

forgot to mention in the product description ** doesn't support HD morphs and geografts.

haven't gotten used to this new rosity forum format.



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 9:07 AM

status says 'review'

here's the link if it goes live. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/carraractors-janette-and-johnathon-for-genesis-3-in-carrara-8-5/119943

they might ask me to change the thumbnails. i think it's okay to show the whole figure if the shader is all gray. like in pose sets. the other forum seems okay with it.



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 12:21 PM

where's the carrara dalek? lol

being zapped left and right on the other forum today.



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Sueposer ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 12:30 PM

I would love to get these characters and experiment.


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 12:55 PM

me too lol.

the status says 'review'
no idea how long that takes. it's a unique product, the reviewer might not understand.

hoping it opens a gateway to more content support for Carrara.

looking for the carrara dalek ! :dalek:



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 1:02 PM

tee hee a particle emitter shooting out g3s



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SileneUK ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 1:14 PM

Waiting patiently for it to come on sale! Well done, Misty! 🙌 Silene


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 2:41 PM

hi Silene. glad to see yoo here. starting to get used to this colour scheme.

still in review status, but i see they changed the dept.
it makes more sense 3D Figure Assets • Morphs & Deformers

i marked it as exclusive for rmp.

the g3 basic wear converted to blended with no fuss.

havent started the bandicam yet.



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SileneUK ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 3:31 PM · edited Tue, 21 March 2017 at 3:32 PM

MistyLaraPrincess posted at 8:29PM Tue, 21 March 2017 - #4299893

hi Silene. glad to see yoo here. starting to get used to this colour scheme.

still in review status, but i see they changed the dept.
it makes more sense 3D Figure Assets • Morphs & Deformers

i marked it as exclusive for rmp.

the g3 basic wear converted to blended with no fuss.

havent started the bandicam yet.

Well get busy girl... you have now discovered how to bump up your pension when you retire! 😁 Silene


Antaran ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 5:03 PM

oh! This is wonderful news! I can't wait! Do the clothes work on the figures too, or does each item need a separate conversion?


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 6:49 PM

clothes and hair need to be converted

when you load a daz item into carrara, when you see the bones moving but not the mesh, first suspect is it's a skin binding issue

works on muscle car also, when a daz rigged car wont open the doors >.<



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WendyLuvsCatz ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 6:51 PM

pity someone cannot write a script to do it for us, D3D or someone.

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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 6:54 PM · edited Tue, 21 March 2017 at 6:55 PM

mebbe could add as button to toolbar, convert is under the edit menu

would be nice to do from carrara. + a uvswap button



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 7:57 PM

Aiko7 in rara with rara hair :)

Aiko skin and shape.png

Lilith shape, can slider the shape in carrara, morphs are under actor

Aiko skin Lilith shape.png

Vicki 7 chamge the uvs to vicki in daz studio, then save as character preset. Vicki7 shape and textire.png

Vicki7.png



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 21 March 2017 at 8:05 PM

girl 7 in carrara, with skin hoping to make as next rmp offer, if all goes well

venice for janette-1.png

venice for janette-2.png

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SileneUK ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 5:26 AM

I am so glad you posted your images here now that the thread 'over there' has gone... there were so much useful work-throughs on that thread. Hope you get your bandicam vids up soon when your product page goes live.

Antara... hello!!! 👋

Good idea, Wendy... maybe a Rendo member might step up and work with Misty on this. 😺

It's just insane that DS do not want to sort making this great tool available. Even if they are working on a direct import solution for Carrara, this has great potential. 👂

I have Poser but do not use it (got it in early days before DS). They came up with an importer that is offered here for free. So it must not be as big of a problem for Poser to work with G3 from what I read below. 👀

https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/487/genesis-3-to-poser-11-without-going-into-daz-studio/32

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/genesis-3-poser-updater/76121

Obviously there are many more obstacles with Carrara and instead of throwing up hands in despair as DAZ weary Carrarra users, like myself, do--- Misty took on the challenge and is putting a lot of effort and time into this. 🙇 She needs support, not deleted threads. 😲

This could be big... really big. G3 has a lot of useful features. 😄

And I am so pleased it's a woman sorting it out!!! 🙋

😁 Silene


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 8:03 AM

still in review status



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SileneUK ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 8:38 AM

Misty, what wardrobe item are the girl's leather shorts?


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 9:12 AM

was the Badlands Roamer



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 9:15 AM

may sound weird, i don't want to put up an iray version of my next project, cause i want to see how many carrararists are interested.



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UnifiedBrain ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 9:24 AM

Ahhhh. I can breathe again.

You go Misty!


diomede ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 9:51 AM

Well done, Misty. Two thumbs up.


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 10:48 AM

ty ❤

for the record, there is no geometry or morphs in these files. it has a modifier section for the joints. joints are transferred to clothes and hair all over the market.



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 12:24 PM

here's how to convert their basic wear for Carrara. Using DS

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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 1:08 PM

Some screenshots, Carrara 8.5.119 here

Load them from your Content Tab, Daz library

Capture1.JPG

G3 haz 173 bones. the joy of face rigging. (I'll demo more of this from the tubes)

Capture2.JPG

select here (red arrow) to access their Pose Controls. eyes closed, arms up/down, etc Select here when applying pose presets. Capture3.JPG

Capture3a.jpg

Select Actor to access their shaping sliders. !!Please be advised, at this time, Carrara doesn't support the HD morphs.
I've set Janette and Johnathon to load without the Mouth Realism HD morph

Capture4.JPG

Capture4a.JPG

Janette and Johnathon load into Carrara at Mesh Base Resolution, by default their Render Resolution is set to 2. i've gone as high as 4 in test rendering.

Capture5.JPG

i need a nap naos. lol



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UnifiedBrain ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 2:24 PM

It's just insane that DS do not want to sort making this great tool available. Even if they are working on a direct import solution for Carrara, this has great potential.

Silene, that was my initial response as well. But now I am starting to think along other lines.

Daz certainly has their own logic and long term strategy. Everyone assumes that Daz wants to get G7 into more platforms, but simply won't spend the money to make the necessary changes. However, what if both of those assumptions are false?

I propose that something changed at the corporate level a few years ago, which resulted in a new strategy. Daz actually doesn't want to share G7 - with anybody. The evidence is pretty much in our faces. Unlike in the past, Daz has obviously made no effort to get their latest creation (G7) into Poser or Carrara, or even the Unity engine. Instead, it appears to me that they are trying to protect and enhance the position of DS, by making it the only product that has G7 support.

In other words, they actually don't want G7 in Carrara. It dilutes their "brand." Even for the Unity engine, they are only offering Generation 6.

It's not shocking. This is how beancounters think, more often than not.

If I am right, then nothing can be done, except for hoping that talented Carrara (and Poser) enthusiasts find a way to work around their strategy.

Just speculation.


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 3:14 PM

they do offer fbx and a collada exporter, 2 methods to use Genesis 3 in other apps. genesis 3 Is also tooted for unity and game development



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 3:19 PM

a couple more screenshots.

the installer offers a few shaders in carrara transparency for cornea and eye moisture. eyelashes alpha mask, and angry robot eyes.

under presets, shaders, skin, genesis 3 carrara,

capture 10.jpg

capture 11.jpg

capture 12.JPG

the default skins in the starter essentials use the aoa shader. which loads as 'lights out' in carrara. would recommend loading texture maps manually, or in DS convert the shaders. Capture13.JPG



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UnifiedBrain ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 3:56 PM

MistyLaraPrincess posted at 3:53PM Wed, 22 March 2017 - #4300042

they do offer fbx and a collada exporter, 2 methods to use Genesis 3 in other apps. genesis 3 Is also tooted for unity and game development

Misty, I've seen your posts in older youtube Unity threads. AFAIK, Daz is not promoting G7 in Unity. It is being imported there by independents, much like you have done it.


SileneUK ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 4:30 PM · edited Wed, 22 March 2017 at 4:32 PM

FBX doesn't work in Carrara for G3... or else doing it the Unity way does not work in Carrara..... sorry am not savvy enough to mess with that.

Will it spoil things for you if you post the screenshot steps for DS>Carrara? I know that must be where things are going wrong for me. You seem to be able to do the transfer utility and get into Carrara. I can do that part, too. But I only get morphs, no posing control sliders want to work. The ready-poses work OK, but that's too limiting. I saw you had that at first from the videos, how did you get around it? I tried to watch very very closely but admit to being really puzzled. Easily done! Also, I am not sure about the clothing. I didn't copy those steps before the thread went down... just the main part.

I just cannot see how you get those POSE sliders to work in CARRARA. So it must be something in the transfer utility action?

I made a cool atlatl (spear thrower). My first model from scratch-ish. Now just need a G3M version of my young lad to fire it off.

Having a sad day with all the pain in London.... 😢 Silene


wilgrfx ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 6:47 PM

Hooray! Wow Misty the renders look incredible. Oh gosh... did I just exaggerate??... they look excellent! Congrats! I just checked the link you posted earlier... still no luck, darn. I'll try to check back often... gotta run... shopping.


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 6:55 PM

this version wasnt made with the transfer utility.

saw 2 'communications' on pending, but no word about if and when it would go live. gifting button is dimmed.



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 6:57 PM

wilgrfx posted at 7:57PM Wed, 22 March 2017 - #4300077

Hooray! Wow Misty the renders look incredible. Oh gosh... did I just exaggerate??... they look excellent! Congrats! I just checked the link you posted earlier... still no luck, darn. I'll try to check back often... gotta run... shopping.

hiya 👋 ty



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 7:09 PM

Thank You everyone for your patience. and interest 💕

and thank you wendy for beta-ing for me 🌸💓



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WendyLuvsCatz ( ) posted Wed, 22 March 2017 at 11:47 PM

Your Welcome Misty ?????❤️ FBX actually does work well for iClone so it is doable and from there go to Carrara but the Carrara FBX importer needs updating, to do it directly, not holding my breath on that! You have put a lot of effort into this and I hope it pays off. ????????

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headwax. ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 12:29 AM

Hey Misty, this looks very exciting, thank you so much. Congrats too! sorry I didn't post earlier - couldn't remember my password! thanks for theheadsup Silene


Wonga ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 12:29 AM

well, this has got the 💤 Rendo/Carrara board up and going again 👍

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SileneUK ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 5:23 AM

wendyvainity posted at 10:13AM Thu, 23 March 2017 - #4300097

Your Welcome Misty ?????❤️ FBX actually does work well for iClone so it is doable and from there go to Carrara but the Carrara FBX importer needs updating, to do it directly, not holding my breath on that! You have put a lot of effort into this and I hope it pays off. ????????

Wendy.....From the beginning when I joined the 'other' forums, I have leaned you are a true guru... a treasure-trove of experience and knowledge of all-things-3D. When I see how you come up with solutions, it means a lot because average users like myself would just throw up hands in despair. Then I see what you and others can do and that they share it. That is why I am so out-raged about how Misty was treated.

Have you done a tut/video on the FBX-iClone conversion I thought I remembered but the search utility in DAZ forums is useless.. Have tried to search for some beginner tuts in general for iClone that don't go over every single feature first.I have IClone but not used it yet. I am trying to work with Zbrush for making my palaeo tools and props, etc. I really like Zbrush as its so precise. But it has 1000+ tools I will never get round to working with, so am trying to concentrate on what I can do.

That is why I like Misty's idea. Yes, it's a workaround but it is a working workaround. And she has given a good deal of her time to make life better for Carrarians.

😍 Silene


WendyLuvsCatz ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 9:10 AM

there is this one I have not really done a tute as such though discussed it a few times, exactly what are you having issues with? there are some by Reallusion for nonstandard figures that are more professional than I could do, on the Renderosity forums too.

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Dartanbeck ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 10:34 AM · edited Thu, 23 March 2017 at 10:41 AM

Fantastic! Can't wait to try this! Kudos Misty! Please pardon my misspelled name. Mistakes like that actually cost money to correct over here! wtf?

Anyway... this is awesome!!!

Silene, are you having issues with support products? Here's the thing:

Do as Misty mentions with the blended weight thing, as she mentions on the previous page

Then save that result back into the library, with a new name, in the same structure so it's easily found in the same way the original item was

Now load that new item into Carrara for use on the new G3 for Carrara.

Example:

Let's change an imaginary coat

In Daz Studio Library, I find it under People > Genesis 3 Male > Clothing > Imaginary Coat

the coat is now in our library available for bringing into Daz Studio - so I load it in I now do the Blend Weights conversion

Now I save the coat back into the library, so during my save (as a figure support asset) a browse all the way to My Daz3d Library > People > Genesis 3 > Clothing > Imaginary Coat

Just to NOT overwrite the original, I call this one: "Coat4Carrara" or some other simple change so I can easily distinguish it

Now back in Carrara, I load in the Coat4Carrara, rather that the original Coat

Does that help?

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SileneUK ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 12:09 PM · edited Thu, 23 March 2017 at 12:10 PM

Hi Dart... Glad you came to visit! We could do with a prosecco party soon I hope!

I do all the steps, it's just that I do not get the pose sliders working once into Carrara. Before the thread disappeared, I posted my renders. The G3 worked in Carrara if I used prepackaged poses, eg Feral Fey or some other G3 fashion ones. But no slider controls for posing (arms up/down, knees up, legs in out). I could not get those sliders to show up under ACTOR they only show up under the G3F-NEWNAME above that in the tree. No slider posing joy. So it's going to be a ...erm... Misty-ery until we get the tool.

I have wondered if it has something to do with the Windows 7.

**Wendy, **I will look at your threads/videos later in the weekend. Thanks for posting them.

I can't wait!! 😁 Silene


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 1:43 PM · edited Thu, 23 March 2017 at 1:47 PM

the pose controls don't work cuz the transfer utility didnt bring the ercs over. transfer utility is designed for clothes and hair, wouldnt want ercs and limits set on clothes, ❗ you should be able to select the bone directly and rotate with wire manipulator

👍 you have the dson editor, ercs are in the subtrees called formula, you could copy them over from the original dsf to the transfer utility (the final) one 01,02,the one after 02



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 1:51 PM

Dartagnon posted at 2:48PM Thu, 23 March 2017 - #4300129

Fantastic! Can't wait to try this! Kudos Misty! Please pardon my misspelled name. Mistakes like that actually cost money to correct over here! wtf?

Hiya Dart 👋 yeah, is like 10 bucks to change names.

is why i'se still a princess here instead of spinster or dowager, lol



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 1:59 PM

status still in review. guessing everybody seein the snap page?

could make a screenshot ...

here's what it would look like lol. ... Untitled-1.jpg

oh this is like a template for linking an image lessee if gifs work

pengy.gif



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SileneUK ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 2:24 PM · edited Thu, 23 March 2017 at 2:27 PM

MistyLaraPrincess posted at 7:23PM Thu, 23 March 2017 - #4300149

the pose controls don't work cuz the transfer utility didnt bring the ercs over. transfer utility is designed for clothes and hair, wouldnt want ercs and limits set on clothes, ❗ you should be able to select the bone directly and rotate with wire manipulator

👍 you have the dson editor, ercs are in the subtrees called formula, you could copy them over from the original dsf to the transfer utility (the final) one 01,02,the one after 02

Oh my... can I stop banging my head against the wall now? Why...it felt so good. 😆 Silene

TYVM... will work on this tomorrow. Your status looks like it's 'almost there' !!


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 9:51 PM

dohhhh rmp installers don't start with a 'content' folder at root.

fixed it and resubmitted.



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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Thu, 23 March 2017 at 9:53 PM · edited Thu, 23 March 2017 at 9:53 PM

heya, i could offer it as a prize in the next render challenge ♨



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headwax. ( ) posted Fri, 24 March 2017 at 12:18 AM

sounds good :)


SileneUK ( ) posted Fri, 24 March 2017 at 5:13 AM

Does sound promising! Ack, have granddaughter tomorrow so can't play, and new router coming today to sort my problem with broadband latency stuff or summat... hope to be around a bit. Fingers crossed it's released soon!


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