post sale changes don't work.... All previous purchases fall into what the law calls a "grandfather clause". You can not change terms after the fact. example: did you or anyone you know turn 18 the year they changed the drinking age to 21? If so you'll remember the grandfather clause allowed you to drink at 18, although those who were still 17 had to wait until they were 21. In Arizona, they enacted a fence law for swimming pools that required that fence slats had to be a certain distance apart. all owners who already had fences around their pools were not required to change the fence, but if they had to repair the fence or sections thereof they then had to meet the current legal guidelines. Same applies to all contracts, and terms of use are contracts. No contract can be changed after the fact without the express agreement of both parties involved. That means that for all those who previously purchased Asia, Steffyzz would need to have each and everyone of their agreements in writing in order to have any legal standing. I'm not saying taht it would nullify all of them if one disagreed, only that as blackhearted didn't agree to a change of terms, she has absolutely no legal standing and as poppi said, it's all a moot point. Lady SilverMage (first passion was contractual law...)

All jokes aside however, a license for a software product can say anything it wants to, as long as your read it and agreed to it. However without an installer to make you read it and force you to click "agree" to proceed with installation, enforcement of a license is possibly a legal trouble spot. I believe Renderosity does not use such installers. So unless you have to click an agree to a license button to proceed with a purchase, I don't really see a way for renderosity to prove that a customer ever saw, or agreed to any license. Just including it in an archive doesn't it was ever seen.

LadySilverMage, Thanks for the clarification; I'd still like to hear from a R'osity vendor or vendors as well.

Sharen - if I ever do buy anything from the stores I'll be sure to read the restrictions before hand. So you're on the right course with your policies, they make sense. The SAMS3D stuff has impressed me from the start and you guys seem to have your heads screwed on right. I wish you the best. Blackhearted - forgot to mention it before. I really liked Heliotrope. Good image. jon

Sorry folks, this is going to be a long one :) Following are the contents of the license.txt file included with Asia. LICENSE FOR ITEMS PURCHASED THROUGH THE MARKETPLACE AT RENDEROSITY This license only applies to items purchased through The MarketPlace at Renderosity, not to any items from the Free Stuff area. It is the Buyers responsibility to read and understand this license. If you are unsure about anything, please send an email to store@renderosity.com. The Artist (Author) retains all copyrights to the enclosed materials. The Buyer is not purchasing the contents, only the right to use the contents. The Buyer may not redistribute this archive file, in whole or in part. The Buyer may not store it any place on a network or on the Internet where it may be referenced by a third party. Buyer acquires the copyright to any derivative works created using this work, provided none of the original materials can be extracted from the derivative work by any means. If Artist can show that any of the original material can be extracted from Buyer's derivative work, Artist can demand both the original and derivative work, and all copies thereof be deleted. For example, Buyer cannot make an image of a texture map mapped to a flat plane, such that the original texture map can be cut & pasted from the image. This is designed to protect the Artist from Buyers releasing work, which lets other users obtain the copyrighted material, and is not meant to infringe upon the artistic endeavors of the Buyer. Buyer may not make any MetaStream animation files with the enclosed materials, until this format can protect the original materials from being extracted. In the event a Buyer is not satisfied with the product a refund may be issued. Issuing refunds is at the discretion of the Artist and / or the Renderosity MarketPlace staff. Refunds will be issued only after the Buyer has worked with the Artist to fix the problem. When a refund is issued, the Buyer is responsible for deleting all files using the product and may not distribute the product. To protect the Buyer: Buyer is hereby granted a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to use all of the contents of the encapsulating archive file. Artist maintains that all items in the archive are their original work, or are derivative works from something found, and verified, to be in the public domain. Artist maintains they legally possess the power to grant the Buyer this license for all enclosed materials. Buyer may use the materials in any personal projects or commercial projects, as long as the Artist 's work is protected from extraction and none of the items above have been violated. Buyer may make a single backup copy of this archive file, for personal archival purposes only. Buyer retains this license, even if the Artist stops selling this work at a later date, or decides to charge a different price. The Artist may only revoke this license, if it is shown that a Buyer has previously violated the terms and conditions above.

Maybe, the tensions of these new times are getting to everyone. But, I would be so heartbroken, if I ever posted to gallery and got so much grief. Warezer is such a bad name, here. Over in C&D...where I love to hang out....That would be called a personal attack, and grounds for banishment. This is all sad. While I don't care all that much for the look of "Asia", there are plenty of others who think that is the hottest texture out. Her creator does have the right to be proud. But, public humiliation, in such a time of stress, is mean. I think part of doing "business" on the web, or otherwise, is being professional. Public sniping, imho, is not.

Poppi - I think an orbital sander will take care of that bar code. jon

Doh...... =( Time to step up production of the Hatchling DNA testing lab. >)

LOL...Snark...got my needles 'n petri dishes ready when you are...Only...dagnabbit...I gotta step on the little guys to get 'em to stop that dreadful squirming!!!

Blackhearted that is a pretty standard term of use, I believe it is 'rosity's. The 3-D Arena one is very similar. I can also tell you that if a vendor at 3-D Arena used those tactics, we would no longer carry their items. Artists have the right to impose their own terms of use on anything they create. They do not have teh right to change their terms in regards to past transactions against those who purchased items and acted in good faith. Consumers have a right to refuse to purchase any item that has an excessively restrictive term of use. For a 3D artist to be required to credit everytime an item is used, that isn't feasible, nor does it appear professional. When I was heavily into photography, I didn't credit the camera company, film company, developer, model and such in my portfolio images. A Portfolio (and imho that means gallery work) is to see what a person can do with the tools they have. I don't care where you got the model, but rather what you can do with it. Unless of course I want th model, then I just ask.

LadySilverMage: I know that artists can put whatever restrictions they like on an item license, and it's up to the consumer whether or not they buy it. What bothers me is that after myself and a number of people said that we wouldn't buy the new Yazoo&Yoda and Yuma packages because of Stefy's license addendums about credit and usernames, Stefy explicitly said she was rescinding those conditions, then she badgered Blackheart both privately (the IM) and publicly (the gallery comment) about those very things. Worse, it was concerning Asia, a texture package which never had any such conditions on its license. So this says to me that Stefy is going to try to enforce these two conditions after publically saying she was removing them from the license. This is deceptive to a potential buyer and is completely indefensible. By the way... wonder how George Lucas feels about StefyZZ infringing his copyright?

this brings up a couple of other questions, raised also by shadowcat: 1. my fiancee used this computer as well as i did, and i was teaching her graphic art (photoshop, poser, flash, etc). she made some images. now what if she made them with a marketplace texture or model? has she/we violated the terms of sale? can she not post that image in a gallery here? how many couples are there at renderosity that both post images in the gallery? do they purchase two copies of vicky, two copies of asia, etc? 2. then comes an even greyer area. what if my friend, who is also into graphic art, comes over to my apartment. he sits down at my computer, loads up poser, and creates an image?

Gabriel: I'm not sure how it applies to Renderosity products, but most software licensing goes "per seat"... in other words, the product which is bought can only be on one machine, but there are no restrictions about who uses that machine. So your fiancee or your friend could use your machine and make images, but you couldn't give them a copy of a texture package or a model to use on their machines.

fauve: unless the terms are included and you agree to them, then they can not be held up in court, instead she is actually committing harassment if she were to continue. You have every right to use the products according to the terms you agreed to when you installed them. Not reading a license btw is not an exclusion from an agreement, we all know what those things are. Ignorance of the law (or terms of use) is no excuse. The same btw applies to steffyzz and her ignorance of what she actually has a right to do. I think what this mainly says is that steffy has become paranoid and is going to be unrealistically pushy. She will lose potential clients andif she attempts to push it in court she will lose money. Blackhearted: You will be required to shoot him and bury the body...

I am still very eager to hear what Renderosity has to say on this matter, since I am already out of pocket almost sixty dollars on Stefy's products (and I almost spent another forty-five dollars based on her assurances on the Forum.) Jeff? Scott?

Well, imho...Sometimes the "one" machine restriction gives me a heartache. I often work "offsite", for local businesses. The owners want me there, to kick ideas to me, but, do not have the software that I use. So....They set me up a computer...I install what I need for the job, do the work...Get paid. And, uninstall the software, that I brought to the job. Sorry, to the copywrite gods that be...BUT, this is just how I have to work. My point...If something does not make good common sense, it might not be a good rule. Trust me...No one I do any work for is in the least interested in playing with 3d programs. They just want their jobs done, and, want to have the right to supervise and give feedback, as, they feel necessary.

Again, I am not defending or supporting StefyZZ's actions but am just trying to tease the legal aspects of this one out a bit. A licence has another aspect to it; it is also a contractual-type agreement between parties. In such circumstances a court might consider alias's to be a breech of contract and licence, or to nullify a contract. (In most jurisdictions contact law has specific definitions and requirements about the legal identity of contracting parties) Internet-type software licencisng is a very grey area as it is all so new and, to the best of my knowledge, has not been tested in any significant way in the courts in any country. LadySilverMage if, for instance, you were to sell your business to another company and included in the sale would be all your software, that company would be (as far as I understand and interpret it) legally obliged to undertake a licence transfer of the software to its' own name if it wanted to use the software. Most software companies facilitate this. Considering the above context, a court might deem it a software vendor's right to be informed of all aliases involved in any software licence in order to protect and enforce the vendor's rights. It would almost certainly view the licencing system itself as a valid legal instrument to protect and enforce software vendor's rights. By contrast if a court were to deny the software vendor the right to know all the aliases it could lay itself open to being accused of facilitating and encouraging software piracy. In addition the courts would also have to weigh up consumer rights and privacy rights against all of this. I don't have the answers and I am just looking at the thing with a view to seeing what might be involved. I think the door is wide open on this issue and it is something that concerns vendors, purchasers and the hosting site, Renderosity, which has a financial and legal stake in this. Regards STORM

First of all, I dont normally frequent the forums, here, or anywhere. I work a fulltime job, and am a fulltime mom and wife, so I consider my computer time very precious to me. Secondly, please don't throw tomatoes at me for my opinion, but I think things are getting blown way out of proportion here :( I have known Stefy since she posted her very first image here in the gallery. It was of her Noa texture that she was working on. The only reason that I met her was because I emailed her asking her how did she create such a gorgeous texture. I love doing textures, I'd LOVE to do models, but my modeling skills suck bigtime, so I'm still taking baby steps :) Anyway, Stefy, who didn't know me from Adam was so very kind to me, and sent me pages of instructions on how to achieve such realism. I've learned a lot from her, and got to know her quite well. Now, from an outsider looking in. I read this thread.... Blackhearted posts Stefy's very first IM to him, and if you look and see, she was very kind. All she asked for was the name that he purchased Asia with. After all, Renderosity goes thru hoops keeping records of buyers so that we can keep track of who purchases what. Now, do you HAVE to give this info, probably not... but wouldn't it have saved a LOT of stress, aggravation, and grief had you simply just replied to Stefy with an answer? I saw the stipulations that Stefy put on her newest package, and after hearing from other vendors, as well as customers, she decided that wasn't appropriate, and she promptly removed them. I KNOW that Stefy isn't on any kind of "witch hunt" here, and if everyone here would put yourself in her shoes, I think you'd see differently. She IS a very talented texture maker, and is only trying to protect her hard work. As for the image posted ... after seeing it, I have to apologize for not commenting on it while I was right there in the gallery, but I'm doing a dozen things at once, (had a major computer crash last week) so I'll comment on it here, and try to get back to it :). It's a beautiful image!! Wonderful postwork, and the lighting is excellent. However, if I were Stefy, and seen that image, and seen that you'd given credit to everyone else, and not me, when in fact it's my texture that makes up the majority of the image, well I can't say that I wouldn't have sat here and thought hmmm wonder why he didn't mention me, but mentioned everyone else? In fact, a comment was made, and the person that commented even asked what texture it was. Had you had no credits at all for anything used, I wouldn't have thought twice about it, and neither would Stefy I'm sure. I've seen lots of images in the gallery with Stefy's textures, but there were no credits for nothing used in the image. Do people have to give credit, nope, but I've always known artists to be very respectful to their peers, and do it anyway. Heck, I've already given credit to the wrong people, and been contacted. Have I spoke to Stefy in regards to this situation at hand, yes I have. And I have to tell you all that she's very upset over the whole ordeal. It was never her intention for things to be blown so out of proportion. All she did was ask how you got the texture. A simple reply as "I bought it under another screen name, and the name I purchased it under was "John Doe" ... Then she could have checked her records, and all would have been good on the homefront. I do hope that everyone realizes that all she is trying to do is protect her work. Deb

Deb: Stefy said in the earlier thread that she would not demand credit on every image using her textures, and she would not require each user to identify him/herself with the username they bought the texture under. Then, less than twenty-four hours later, she did those exact two things to Gabriel. I don't care how nice her first IM was... she went back on what she said in the public forum to potential purchasers of her work. She wants to protect her copyright and catch warezers? I can see where the same username as gallery poster restriction comes into play on that. But demanding credit on any image including one of her textures? How does that protect her copyright? How does that catch a warezer? And by the way, I certainly don't speak for Blackhearted, but if it was my image you made that comment about (that the texture was the majority of the image) I would be incredibly insulted. As it is, I know I will hesitate before I ever use another bought texture or item in an image, if that's the attitude of the vendors.

yes storm, if I did sell my business I may have to include my models in the purchase. Exceptions to this would be items which did not require an individual business license. As tax wise all "tools" and office supplies depreciate, so do they in the courts. Also I am able to sell my business and keep my computer and microsoft products for myself. That is a transfer of name title, not a transfer of property. I can use SilverMage or Lady SilverMage on any image I wish to. In so far as SilverMage Concepts is concerned the id's are interchangeable to the business. Not exactly trademarks, but they are the "signature" of the business. In the same manner that an author may buy their supplies on their credit card and use an alias in their writings. OIr actors use in the signing of their contracts although many of them have never legally changed their names, they still sign contracts using the name they are known by as it is accepted that they are one and the same. It is the consumers right to privacy that would imho weigh against anyone attempting to push the issue in regards to the use of handles. All safety rules regarding the internet specify privacy. Don't give out your real name and info. As far as contracts and aliases are concerned, the problem is more likely to occur if you use a non-legal alias (and that term has different meanings in court) in the signing or agreement of a contract, not if you use a legally purchased product under an alias. My county where I live doesn't issue a "business license" in the same manner that we had in Arizona. Instead they issue an AKA license. They tell you that your business name is a "fictitious name". So to get my "business name" registered I am required to register a "fictitious" name. So handles and fictitous names are not always considered by the courts to null and void out a contract. Unless of course you use a false identity in the agreement of a contract that you have never used in a legal aspect before, or have not set up the id as a legitimate part of the business. I agree, it is a grey area, but more than likely it would side towards the consumer who uses/purchases an item in good faith. I think that if steffyzz had approached blackhearted in a different manner then it would have been fine. Had she said, thank you for using my texture, I don't recognize your name as a purchaser and due to recent illegal activities regarding my product I am forced to be more careful, would you mind telling me what name you purchased th product under? The information will remain confidential" A refusal to do that would be suspicious. As it is not a big deal to tell a vendor what name you used to purchase a product, if approached i a civil manner. But to require that the same name be used is in this format ridiculous. In regards to other software, the difference here is that unlike software programs, models and such do not require registration. There no updates that are automatically sent out. There is very little technical support and it generally has more to do with installing right after purchase.

If someone purchases a texture..Why must they, at a later time, at the whim of the creator, be forced to divulge what name it was purchased under? I think folks like the internet because of the anonymity. Folks don't like being on "lists", unless they are gonna get something free from it...imho.

fauve, I never read the earlier thread, or know the whole time of events on the entire situation. And it was never my intent to insult that image, and I certainly hope that Blackhearted doesn't take what I said as an insult. I was merely trying to put things into perspective. The image is of only a woman, with very little clothing. So in my opinion, the model used IS the majority of the image. And the texture on the model is Asia. I meant no harm in what I said, was only trying to help explain what possible it is that Stefy sees. Deb

Cheryle: Whether or not I can get my money back, I have already deleted Asia and Edo from my computer. There's no way I would have used them again after this imbroglio. I'm not sure I will ever use a Renderosity store purchase again unless I can be sure that the creator has a better respect for their customers.

Protecting her work is one thing.. putting ridiculous terms on bought items is plainly letting her buyers know that she doesn't want them to buy from her. IMO - She really needs to sit down and read through each of these threads. To see what her customers, potential customers think of these restrictions. As a vendor I would never demand credit if you buy one of my items. Once I sell something I lose rights to it except to the files themselves. (Clarify this.. I lose the right to tell people HOW they can use them or to give me credit because they are buying the right to use the items in any way that they see fit except for warezing them out. ) As a buyer I have bought things using my friends credit card.. and using my own. I will (when given a chance) do the same again. Simply because sometimes friends buy me gifts and sometimes I have money to burn. As a buyer I would never buy something that prevents me from using it as I like. I don't go to the store and buy stuff to make soup with only to have the store tell me that I can only use the carrots for dips and the potatoes as twice baked. Seems to me All the vendors.. (Not just rosity ones either)Need to sit down and see what everyone is saying because otherwise they are going to lose buisness.. along with their reputation. Stormrage

thank you for the compliments on the image. as for your theories, i really think youre seeing things through the eyes of a friend.. through rose colored glasses. we can sit here and hypothesize about this all night, but the fact is that i posted an image in the gallery, minding my own business, and it seems that simply because of an oversight in the credits ive now come under attack. the comment she made on my image is insulting and rude. so is her IM - both of them. i was extremely insulted. she has no business whatsoever demanding the rediculous things that she does. yes, it would have been easier for me to just tell her the alias i purchased it under and be done with the entire ordeal. but i wouldnt have slept well at night knowing that my rights had been trodden upon and i had behaved like a spineless whelp and allowed it to happen. my instant message to her was polite as i could manage, i had to rewrite it a few times to take out the obscenities that my hands kept typing i was so upset, yet her reply to mine was downright degrading. everyone tries to protect their work. but when they go too far, when they overstep their bounds as a vendor and tread upon the buyer's rights, then it has to come to a stop. ---------- "I saw the stipulations that Stefy put on her newest package, and after hearing from other vendors, as well as customers, she decided that wasn't appropriate, and she promptly removed them. I KNOW that Stefy isn't on any kind of "witch hunt" here" yeah whatever. a day after she posted that she didnt want to hurt her customers and that she would remove her clause she attacks me with her accusations. shes not on a witchhunt? BULLSHIT. an online friend of mine, someone who ive been encouraging to post their work here for months, finally posts his first image in the gallery (with the asia texture). immediately after he received the EXACT same message as i did from stefy. i know he has concerns for his privacy as well, and hes not one to get into arguments or voice his opinion like i am, so he ignores the IM, deletes the image from the gallery, and resolves never to post an image again. he just logged in today to see a message saying if he doesnt purchase asia within 48 hours he will be banned from renderosity. and you say shes not on a witch hunt? this is just someone who refused to give in to her rediculous demands. he was a great guy, and now he wont set foot in this place even if he isnt banned. so now i ask YOU. just what the @$#% right do you people have to accuse people like that? everyone is innocent until presumed guilty, not vice-versa.

i understand totally Fauve, i have done the same with a diff texture that had those same restrictions, except the place i bought them from- i could not preview the terms of useage first. ;( still, try emailing the store,.. see what they say...( i never did get my money back. The vendor i bought from has a tendancy to bash users if they complain about anything, even if it's justified) Poppi! quit chasing those hatchlings around!! some of them have teeth! ;)

"he just logged in today to see a message saying if he doesnt purchase asia within 48 hours he will be banned from renderosity. " Okay, this is SERIOUS bullshit!!! I want to see someone from Renderosity comment on this NOW!! That is absolutely ridiculous and despicable -- this just shows why I and others resisted Stefy's conditions in the first place. Are we all going to be treated like THIEVES now until we can prove differently, to each vendor's satisfaction?!?!

I'm really trying not to see thru rose colored glasses, I'm not a mean person, and I don't get into arguments here, or anywhere else. I usually keep my opinions to myself. I was only trying to help make sense of the whole situation. And yes fauve, if someone is threatened to be banned, then I agree this thread does need to be addressed by an admin. I'm just really sorry for all involved that this happened. Deb

Blackhearted, if what you say is true it is scarey. Granted it is very easy to simply give the name the item is purchased under. Even if that name is a friends, but the idea that every image posted using that texture is now being checked against a list is the ultimate. Well, personally I think that's obsessive. BUT, if approached in a reasonable manner then there is nothing wrong with giving the purchase name to the vendor. After all, they already have it. Unless one has something to hide (not meaning that you did anything wrong, but some people need to hide for various reasons). Possibly an invoice number would do better than a name, after all you can't see my drivers license via my monitor... If 'rosity is the only place Asia is sold, (I know it's not at DAZ) and your friend is new here, then it would be cause to worry. Being suspicious isn't a crime. But banning someone without proof is. We are all innocent until proven guilty, so unless 'rosity can prove that your friend stole the texture than that is ridiculous and a sign of yet one more reason that I have stopped making purchases here...

Dagnabbit...I know they have teeth, lil....m...oops, sorry. Actually, I am so trying to make my own hatchling. Grrrrr....He/she looks alot more like shelley winters, than a cute wee babe who has just popped out of an egg. :) Shoot...my clown disappeared on me tonight. There are 8 cases of anthrax, here. This is not my most favorite Saturday night. Ya know...those hatchlings look a whole bunch like my old, dead buddy, the garbage lizard. I might have to squawk copywrite infringement. Pop...pop...Poppi!!!

debbie m - since you brought it up, i can assure you that the texture is probably the least significant component in that image. the lighting and shadows wash most of it out, and there is a material color tint to it to make it darker and add some highlights. if i didnt have an hour of postwork invested in it i would simply swap it for catharina's sara map and be done with it. actually, i think im going to do that right now. i might not do all the postwork again, but at least it might get my mind off this crap for awhile.

Blackhearted: I wouldn't have recognized the texture for Asia if it wasn't for this mess. But it is a great image, and I think that has to do with many other factors besides the texture used on the woman. By the way, I am testing a new .sig, straight from the Marketplace. Do you think I should use it on every post, just to be safe? Fauve Official Purchaser of: Emily, texture and material pack for Victoria 1 and 2 $14.95 10/03/2001 N/A EmilyTexturePack-magnet2679.zip 21 Natural Poses #2 for Michael $13.95 10/03/2001 N/A ericsmset014297.ZIP 21 Poses for Victoria Set - #11 $13.95 10/03/2001 N/A ericsvset024094.ZIP Classic Hair style $20.00 10/03/2001 N/A CHS3518.zip Haunted House $20.00 10/03/2001 N/A H-House1142.zip Michael & Victoria Couple Poses $12.95 10/03/2001 N/A LisaBVMCouple1317.zip Fantasy Dream Ballerina $26.00 10/03/2001 N/A FDB3485.zip 21 Standing Poses 2 - for Victoria $13.95 10/03/2001 N/A VickyStanding2412.ZIP Victoria Sitting/Lounging Pose Set $13.95 10/03/2001 N/A vickysittingposes1747.zip 21 Standing Poses I for Michael $13.95 10/03/2001 N/A MikeStandingOne2410.ZIP 21 Poses for Michael $13.95 10/03/2001 N/A michaelposeset4.zip Michael Natural Poses Set 2 $10.95 10/03/2001 N/A michaelset2.zip LQ Couple Poses Pak 1 $12.00 10/03/2001 N/A LQCP14348.zip "Vicky Petite" - Petite Head & Body Kit for Victoria $15.00 09/23/2001 N/A VickyPetiteByMagnet4092.zip 21 Standing Poses $13.95 09/23/2001 N/A victoriapose81941.ZIP 21 Sitting Poses II- for Victoria $13.95 09/23/2001 N/A VickySitting22411.ZIP 21 Poses for Victoria - Set#10 $13.95 09/23/2001 N/A ericsvset014093.ZIP 21 Sexy Poses -#2 for Victoria $13.95 09/23/2001 N/A EricsVicSxy23100.ZIP 21 Pose for Victoria Set - #9 $13.95 09/23/2001 N/A ericsvictoriaset93611.ZIP 21 Natural Poses for Michael $9.95 09/23/2001 N/A posesformichael.zip The Professor $10.00 09/01/2001 N/A professor3573.zip LuLu Hair for Victoria and Posette $9.99 08/17/2001 N/A LuLuHair2687.zip Asia $26.00 08/17/2001 N/A StefyZZAsia2693.zip Victoria WG-RMT character $12.00 08/17/2001 N/A VickyWGRMT2640.ZIP Xena Hair Ultimate $19.99 08/17/2001 N/A RUNTIME2556.zip Edo $28.00 08/17/2001 N/A EdoPack3537.zip Morgan Le Faye Hair for Victoria and Posette $9.99 08/17/2001 N/A RUNTIME2254.zip Tomy $14.95 08/17/2001 N/A Tomy-set.zip Total Hair Complete & Update $30.00 08/17/2001 N/A Total%20Hair%20Complete1016.zip Julia Hair for Victoria and Posette $9.99 08/17/2001 N/A RUNTIME2095.zip Maiden Hair Supreme for Victoria and Posette $9.99 08/17/2001 N/A RUNTIME2362.zip Carlos Forte $17.00 08/17/2001 N/A Carlos Forte1975.zip Jenna Hair for Victoria and Posette $9.99 08/17/2001 N/A RUNTIME3282.zip Catharina's Michael Texture #2 $14.95 12/09/2000 N/A mario-textures.zip HandspanStudios Romantic Vicky $15.00 09/10/2000 N/A Beards text for Tomy Catharina Przezak $5.95 Michael's many faces vol. 2 Eowyn $8.00 Room with a View KenS $14.95 AnnA-MARIA # 2 Catharina Przezak $7.95 Sidra HandspanStudios $10.50 Ultimate Lamp azl $11.95 Ultimate Hair Combo Pack One VAIRESH $30.00 Kain character Catharina Przezak $9.95 Cleopatra Power Hair hmann $27.00 Tree Leaves For Poser tom3962 $7.50 Fantasy Vicki HandspanStudios $15.00 Textures for MW's Azura and Eve4 HandspanStudios $12.00 Chere HandspanStudios $15.00 Audrey for Victoria HandspanStudios $15.00 Sasha for Victoria HandspanStudios

cheryle - (if thats adressed to me) my friend's offline right now. ill ask him to post the message, but i honestly thing that right now he doesnt want to have anything to do with this place. either way, stefyzz and the renderosity admins should know who im talking about. and yes, i believe him. he has no reason to lie about something like that. ladysilvermage - hes not 'new' here, i believe this was just his first image posted in the gallery. its sad that he never wanted to post, and ive been encouraging him to post for months now. and when he finally does, hes confronted with this bullshit.

Oh, my....And, children are going to bed hungry all over the world. Seek knowledge....Learn to make it yourselves. Avoid these type of ugly incidents. Use the spare money to help a hungry, or, otherwise, needy child.

Poppi: I know how to make my own textures and morphs. I began with this forum when it was the old Poserforum.com and we were all using Poser 2. The purchases listed above are from the last two years. I have to say that until today I enjoyed playing with other artists' visions and making them part of my own. No more, though.

fauve.. if You could use anything of mine i would give it to you. I don't like seeing people disallusioned. Not all vendors have the terms like steffy or act the same way.. Unfortunantly some do act that way. One bad apple shouldn't ruin the barrel for anyone Storm

VERY NICE PICTURE!! But geeze, goes to show I am not an artist, I would've never reconized the texture used. Jack

Speaking as a mod... it is NOT the place of a member to IM or email someone stating that they'll be site banned. That's a call that only a site admin can make, and one that's NEVER made lightly without investigating the situation. Anyone who is recieving threatening IM's/emails, they need to screen capture them when they get them, and send a copy attached to an email to Tammy or Tim Choate [contact emails listed under "The Team" link on sidebar]. If Steffy is doing so, she's in the wrong on this one. Speaking as a vendor here on a couple of other points... please don't let a bad experienece with one vendor, or one member cause you to paint all of us with the same brush. Not all of us put additional restrictions, or send harrassing IM's to purchasers. Some of us never do, and I've actually had items warezed. I think it would be a crying shame if anyone determined to never post another image because of a bad experience with one member.

Well, this is all jsut geting ridiculous. Despite what's been said it does appear that steffyzz has decided to fo on a "witch hunt" in a manner of speaking. I wasn't fond of asia, and I refuse to use anything once it saturates the galleries.... But I honestly hadn't recognized Asia in the Heliotrope image at all. There really isn't anymore tosay on this subject. Other than harrassment is also illegal, and slander is libelous even if it is done by an artist and a company. So I would think that 'rosity would be very careful how far they take this when someone appears to be on a rampage...

Oh, Fauve, I did not mean to insult you. I like looking, and, even trying to simulate them, myself. I just work for myself...going on 5 years, now. I can't afford all the stuff that is for sale. But, If I take the time, I can do a pretty good job of kinda sorta replicating what looks good to me. This thread is interesting to me, as, the stuff that has been purchased here, has been from my kids, or, my sis, as a gift. (Only the "must haves", though). :) Poppi

i went to work on the image again, to remove the asia texture and remake it with another, but i cant even look at the goddamn thing anymore. so ive loaded up dina instead - jack, im determined to get this broad to look desirable :) since im not too great at major morphs (only little tweaky ones) im going to try by just scaling and poking her into something more to my taste. i wish i had the time and patience to make full morphs.

Hehe... I'd give you my morphs for Dina, Gabe, but we have already determined that you consider them unaesthetic... ;->

"So I would think that 'rosity would be very careful how far they take this when someone appears to be on a rampage... " LadySilverMage, please read my post up in #93. [I think we crossposted] The vendor in question is NOT speaking as a representative of Renderosity in any IM's sent. No ability to ban or have anyone banned... and not likely to have at this rate.

ironbear - im not sure wether the IM he received saying he would be banned within 48 hours if he didnt buy asia was from stefyzz or from a renderosity admin. hes not online so i cant ask him.

Thanks, Blackhearted... give me a day or two. I messaged an admin to browse this thread, and I'll look into it as much as I can.

I think this is getting way out of hand. Why dont you contact Stefy before going on with all of this? Shes a very comprehensive and kind person, and Im sure shell make her best to work out a solution for this. She is from Italy, so I guess shes sleeping now, and thats the reason why she hadnt posted any message in this thread (just in case someones wondering). peace arturo

this whole issue is the result of contact with stefy - contact that she initiated. jack, fauve - im actually making progress with dina's head. her body.. a daunting task - i will leave that to jim b or some other patient bloke :) ill post a pic in a few.

DinaV's body is actually really nice, once you morph away Real-Life Dina's giant plastic balloon-boobs. The only thing I wonder about is why the real Dina's very nice muscular definition in the legs didn't translate to the model (with Diane's "shapely legs" morph, Dina's legs become pretty, but they are still not toned.)

I've been skipping over messages here so I may have missed something, but has anyone suggested banning Stefyzz? I saw two instances mentioned in this thread where she was simply harrassing Renderosity members; one didn't even have the texture(!) and the other is having restrictions added to the license POST-SALE. He did not agree and is not bound to the license Stefyzz is trying to enforce, in my opinion. This is outrageous. Incidentally, I'm in the market for new textures and I will never EVER buy from Stefyzz, regardless of any sort of "explaination" she is able to offer in all her broken English. Bad business, missy.