I was playing with that prefitter before I got sick. Looks very interesting! Lord knows I have plenty of V4 content to use it on. Hopefully will have a few test renders soon. Heading to the La Femme webinar at the moment.

Freakin' wow, Deecey!!! Spectacular work with the video! I got the chills! This is also the first time I got to see a bunch of those renders. Man! So much fantastic stuff!

I got to make a tag team partner for my first La Femme today.

Ooh, just got to watch the video. That came out great, Deecey! Thanks for using all our renders. So neat to see them together!

Thank YOU for your efforts! Great video! Deecey posted at 5:16PM Wed, 13 February 2019 - #4346082

Thank you all, for giving permission to include your wonderful renders.

This one is for y'all with hugs!

Thanks for the Welcome!

Deecey posted at 7:32PM Wed, 13 February 2019 - #4346082

Thank you all, for giving permission to include your wonderful renders.

This one is for y'all with hugs!

Thanks for the Welcome!

Wow, that turned out really nice. Some of those renders I hadn't seen. Excellent job!

Deecey posted at 8:56PM Wed, 13 February 2019 - #4346082

Thank you all, for giving permission to include your wonderful renders.

This one is for y'all with hugs!

Thanks for the Welcome!

Just watched the video...you did a super job producing it...thought I had seen all the renders with LF, but some were new to me...thanks for putting it together--great fun :)

WOW!! You just blew my mind with that video Deecey, even though I had seen the majority of those renders before, presenting them as you did was just the right way to bring someone's attention to a wonderful, versatile character they might not have "met" yet. Well done!!

Aw thank you everyone! Couldn't have happened without all your cool art, so you are a part of that too. 8-)

BH's HD morphs, Halo hair from prae.

The Video is awesome! Thank you for doing that!

Haven't touched Poser in forever but this caught my eye. Good job on the figure release to everyone involved. Looks AMAZING :)

bantha posted at 4:55AM Thu, 14 February 2019 - #4346034

I've read about it at the SM Forum, IIRC. I think it was here as well.

The Prefitter is a figure with fitting Morphs for several figures. You load your garment into the Scene, conform it to the Prefitter and copy the fitting Morphs to your garment. You unparent the garment and have a fitting Morph for the figures you selected in it. Without parenting, you dial in the Morph in the otherwhise zeroed garment and it will mostly fit your zeroed target figure. After that you can use the Fitting Room to make it conforming.

This work better than fitting with the fitting room, because the Morphs in the Prefitter are created with Marvellous Designer's Cloth Simulation. It does not move the Cloth like the figure would move but rather how a garment on the figure would move. The results aren't perfect, but way better than with the fitting room. Usually some strokes with the Morph brush are needed to correct the garment where the Transformation isn't perfect - you do that before the fitting room.

I do have ZBrush, I used to refit my clothes with that, but the Prefitter saves me a lot of time to get the clothes 90% correct. For me it's wll worth the Money.

Link to the Prefitter

Link to the Extension for La Femme

I gave this a shot. Wow, the documentation is bad. Better steps:

1. Load Donor, La Femme, and V4 clothing item. Prep La Femme by adding BK body morphs, and removing IK, and zeroing the figure. Prep donor by adding la femme injection.
2. Conform V4 clothing to donor then Go into Hip on the clothing figure and set trans-x = 0.005, trans-y = 0.172, and trans-z = 0.400. Obviously a flaw in the donor origin settings.
3. Copy the La Femme morph to the clothing, and set it to 1. Make the Donor figure invisible, and the clothing item will look like it is being worn by La Femme.
4. Use any morph built into the clothing to get rid of poke throughs as best you can.
5. Now go to the fitting room and fit the clothing item to the La Femme figure not the donor. Ultimately, I usually have to do some fitting, to rid of pokes and tighten loose spots. Iterations 10 and poke through margin 0.0020 usually works if you did step 4 right. More iterations will cause the dreaded suction effect.
6. Create the figure and copy the morphs from the original clothing figure as documented. Then save the created figure in the La Femme folder under characters.

Here is 3DAge's Honey IV outfit applied to La Femme using this technique. The edges are less smooth than I would like after a simple pose, but I can use the BK morph sliders, and the clothing will adjust with them just like a native conforming cloth.

Netherworks posted at 7:31AM Thu, 14 February 2019 - #4346129

Haven't touched Poser in forever but this caught my eye. Good job on the figure release to everyone involved. Looks AMAZING :)

Waves to Joe! Good to see you.

Great vid! Thank you, @deecey!

Just got to see the video. Most of the images I've seen before, but seeing them together is impressive. I've heard vendors say "People don't use X so why bother supporting it?" I think seeing all these images would show them LF is being used.

Great stuff Deecey!

@xocxoc Thanks for your updated instructions. Was messing with that the other day, but never got through the instructions, too much else going on. Will try again soon with yours and see how it goes. Your results look pretty good.

Combat Nun V4 showed up at our La Femme photo shoot in Forgotten Place 6 today. I thought this would be worth mentioning.

Happy Valentine's Day to The La Femme Family!

Netherworks posted at 8:46PM Thu, 14 February 2019 - #4346129

Haven't touched Poser in forever but this caught my eye. Good job on the figure release to everyone involved. Looks AMAZING :)

WOW! Good to see you Joe, and you are sorely missed from the Poser community sir.

Oh, I think they are definitely up to something.

::::: Opera :::::

My turn! :)

A quickie (15 minute render) La Femme pic wearing a 'quick and dirty' conversion of BATLab's G-Girl outfit. Proper refinement of the outfit necessary (upper arm pokethrough) but was as said, just a quick job! :)

Just realized that one of the BH HD morphs is called OrangePeel. Is that slang for something cause I'm not sure what it's doing. :P

JohnDoe641 posted at 1:31PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346227

Just realized that one of the BH HD morphs is called OrangePeel. Is that slang for something cause I'm not sure what it's doing. :P

On her thigh by her hand.

It doesn't often show up in 3D figures, but it should since most women have it.
Perhaps not the most glamorous of morphs, but glass-smooth perfect 3D thighs look wrong to my eye.

Just Google for "cellulite"

K

philebus posted at 1:41PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4345714

I'm happy to see a lot of dynamics appearing, as I'm keen to start using those more at the moment - will that red dress in the Blackhearted promo ever enter the store? - that is exactly the sort of thing I would like to put on a book cover.

BTW I finally got the red dress packaged up and through testing so it should hit the store tonight.

It took me so long because I had to make 5 different versions and do at least a hundred simulations before I got one that worked perfectly in the cloth room, then made over 60 morphs for it and wrote a PDF cloth room tutorial. I even made fits for a bunch of figures including Genesis, V4, Dawn and PE: this doesn't have to come down to everyone pledging allegiance to one figure and $#!&ing all over the rest, there's no reason more figures can't coexist in Poser and the community can't work together constructively to achieve some progress in Poser.

KarinaKiev posted at 1:51PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346232

Just Google for "cellulite"

K

That's such a nasty word though isn't it? I'm not going to name a dial HD Cellulite ? OrangePeel sounds less brutal.

Blackhearted posted at 3:00PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346235

KarinaKiev posted at 1:51PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346232

Just Google for "cellulite"

K

That's such a nasty word though isn't it? I'm not going to name a dial HD Cellulite ? OrangePeel sounds less brutal.

Oh hahahah.

Now I get it, and yeah OrangePeel is a much kinda wording. Thanks for including this morph, that's actually a really cool addition I've never seen on any other figure.

Where's the stretch-mark dial?

[AKA: tiger stripes]

:: og ::

xocxoc posted at 9:15PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346133

I gave this a shot. Wow, the documentation is bad. Better steps: ...

2. Conform V4 clothing to donor then Go into Hip on the clothing figure and set trans-x = 0.005, trans-y = 0.172, and trans-z = 0.400. Obviously a flaw in the donor origin settings. ............

Thank you all for buying the Prefitter and the morph injection. also thank you for testing and feedback,

one thing: There is no need to conform the garment to the prefitter. Just ensure they are both zero-ed and all goes fine.

I will look into the centre-offset thing and may correct it if it is easy to do without side damage. It did not come to light since conforming was not a part of the worklow, but it may indeed be confusing when people do the conforming nontheless.

Also be sure to zero LaFemme when judging the result.

The donor originally was a prop. I made it a figure only because Poser does not support copying morphs from a prop into a figure. I added that one-bone rig just to fool Poser. It has no function otherwise.

Sorry if the documatation is not clear. Tuts are not my strong point.

Blackhearted posted at 3:44PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346233

BTW I finally got the red dress packaged up and through testing so it should hit the store tonight.

It took me so long because I had to make 5 different versions and do at least a hundred simulations before I got one that worked perfectly in the cloth room, then made over 60 morphs for it and wrote a PDF cloth room tutorial. I even made fits for a bunch of figures including Genesis, V4, Dawn and PE: this doesn't have to come down to everyone pledging allegiance to one figure and $#!&ing all over the rest, there's no reason more figures can't coexist in Poser and the community can't work together constructively to achieve some progress in Poser.

Thank you for this Gabe, as I love clothing that fits more than one of my 3D gals.

I'm sold on that red dress! Even more so now that I know it works on other figures. The tutorial and moprhs sound great too. Thank you!

Fall in Love with La Femme Webinar Posted

You can view the February 13th, 2019 Fall In Love With La Femme Webinar HERE

Hope you enjoy it!

jennblake posted at 7:18PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346255

Fall in Love with La Femme Webinar Posted

You can view the February 13th, 2019 Fall In Love With La Femme Webinar HERE

Hope you enjoy it!

Thanks, jennblake. I really appreciate it.

[Blackhearted]

I even made fits for a bunch of figures including Genesis, V4, Dawn and PE: this doesn't have to come down to everyone pledging allegiance to one figure and $#!&ing all over the rest, there's no reason more figures can't coexist in Poser and the community can't work together constructively to achieve some progress in Poser.

My PE and LaFemme have become good enough friends that they're heading to the beach to surf and play volleyball in the black void behind them. D:

Looking at the promos for the Red Dress, one of them seems to say that "Femme Fatale Body Morphs" are included. Is that the same as "Femme Fatale HD Morphs?"

Those are some extremely beautiful fabric/print texture maps for the dress.

It's a great package, Blackhearted.

[edit to add:] I don't understand -- if this is a Poser Cloth Room item, why are there morphs for draping and wind, which are irrelevant if you are simulating movement and wind in the Cloth Room

::::: Opera :::::

Blackhearted posted at 9:48PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346233

BTW I finally got the red dress packaged up and through testing so it should hit the store tonight.

It took me so long because I had to make 5 different versions and do at least a hundred simulations before I got one that worked perfectly in the cloth room, then made over 60 morphs for it and wrote a PDF cloth room tutorial. I even made fits for a bunch of figures including Genesis, V4, Dawn and PE: this doesn't have to come down to everyone pledging allegiance to one figure and $#!&ing all over the rest, there's no reason more figures can't coexist in Poser and the community can't work together constructively to achieve some progress in Poser.

Oh that red dress looks awesome.Thank you in advance for having it fit more than one figure. I'm a big proponent for multiple figures. In fact, I'm currently working on a scene with Project Evolution, Dawn, Victoria 4, LaFemme, and Victoria 3.

I think LaFemme looks great. And thank you for creating her.

Shown below is LaFemme wearing Karanta's Mila dress rendered in Octane.

Blackhearted posted at 9:31AM Sat, 16 February 2019 - #4345927

Kardashian's 'golden ratio' superimposed on someone else:

Please spare me the 'mathematical formula of beauty'. It's entirely BS.

LOL, I spit my espresso on my screen now.

wolf359 posted at 9:59AM Sat, 16 February 2019 - #4345995

I do have those skills, spent years developing them and my intention is to do exactly that.

Excellent !!

So why make multiple posts debating with people about the Base shape not conforming to some culturally biased ideal beauty standard ??

Make your scarlet johansen (or whatever morph) ,in a modeling program, and be done with it.

Those of us ,with actual modeling skills, and access to the required tools can achieve our character type & content objectives, pretty easily.

No debating or begging at the doors of other creators, needed.

Very well said .This never ending negativity is tiresome. She is well made and fun to create with her art. The little errors which she may has, will be ironed out from one or another vendor . Meanwhile peoples should enjoy her.

FVerbaas posted at 3:44AM Sat, 16 February 2019 - #4346239

xocxoc posted at 9:15PM Fri, 15 February 2019 - #4346133

I gave this a shot. Wow, the documentation is bad. Better steps: ...

1. Conform V4 clothing to donor then Go into Hip on the clothing figure and set trans-x = 0.005, trans-y = 0.172, and trans-z = 0.400. Obviously a flaw in the donor origin settings. ............

Thank you all for buying the Prefitter and the morph injection. also thank you for testing and feedback,

one thing: There is no need to conform the garment to the prefitter. Just ensure they are both zero-ed and all goes fine.

I will look into the centre-offset thing and may correct it if it is easy to do without side damage. It did not come to light since conforming was not a part of the worklow, but it may indeed be confusing when people do the conforming nontheless.

Also be sure to zero LaFemme when judging the result.

The donor originally was a prop. I made it a figure only because Poser does not support copying morphs from a prop into a figure. I added that one-bone rig just to fool Poser. It has no function otherwise.

Sorry if the documatation is not clear. Tuts are not my strong point.

OK, thanks, I knew I was doing something wrong. So workflow:

1. Load V4 Donor, load La Femme plug in, set FBM_LaFemme to 1
2. Load La Femme, get rid of Inverse Kinematics on the feet, Zero the figure, V4 Donor should cover everything but hands and feet. With La Femme, Load Body Morphs, and if you have them BK Body Morphs. Might be worth saving this scene as it will save time in the future.
3. Load your V4 clothing item. Got to Figure> Copy Morphs From...> V4_Donor> Select None, then select FBM_LaFemme, then OK. Once copied, set FBM_LaFemme to 1 in the clothing item.
4. Go to V4_Donor Hip Properties and make it invisible, (or you could probably remove it?)
5. Use any morphs you want in the V4 clothing figure to fix any poke throughs. My favorite (if it has it) is Victoria 4>Full Body>Bulk
6. Now go to the fitting room and fit the clothing item to the La Femme figure not the donor. If there are poke throughs or loose spots you could not manage to fix, Try "fit..." with Iterations 10 and poke through margin 0.0020 or just enough to fix the problems. More iterations will cause the dreaded suction effect, higher poke through margin creates gaps between the cloth and the body. If there are no poke throughs and the item looks fine in all directions, skip the fitting step and create the figure.
7. When you create a figure, select only the body parts the clothing covers, and check all 3 options. This will add all the body morphs from step 2 to be added.
8. When it is done creating and you can get back into the pose screen, select the new figure, then Figure > Copy Morphs From... > Select the old clothing figure, and select as many "body" morphs as you want. Then save the new clothing item as a new figure.
9. Delete the old clothing figure, and the Donor if you haven't already, then conform the new one to La Femme. All the sliders should work.

Ebony La Femme:

@xocxoc:

Great: I looked back at the documentation and I see what you mean! A number of key text cards must have fallen into a bin at some point in the brush-up process. Sorry about that.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will update the docs.

@Fverbass: I picked up Prefitters-CR2 Developers version and was surprised that the file lacked documentation on how to create your own mannequin for other figures. Is there any tutorial or detailed documentation on this process? Any help is appreciated. Also, is there any intention to create a similar prefitter for male counterparts especially that there are indications that La Femme will have a boyfriend in the works. Thanks.

Another Portrait . I really need some outfit for her lol

Yes, Unicorns exists .

Character , Tempesta Angel Hair Boo hair from Bisquit Bijoux from me. Horn from P3DArt

She is fun, pure fun.

I'm sorry to say that my free time this week has just been taken up with lots of little jobs and and real life problems, so I just haven't been able to have much of a go with this yet. I did feel I should do something though, but have to apologize that it's only very simple as I only had lunch today to work on it.

Apologies for the pun also.

I'm looking forward to working more with dynamic dresses - this pose doesn't do justice to this dress though but I intend to try out some other ideas with it later. The handy thing for me is that you get the natural wrinkles and folds which make life easier for working on a faux paint effect.

hborre posted at 9:59PM Sat, 16 February 2019 - #4346288

@Fverbaas: I picked up Prefitters-CR2 Developers version

Many thanks! for buying and thank you for the interest int he process.

... and was surprised that the file lacked documentation on how to create your own mannequin for other figures. Is there any tutorial or detailed documentation on this process? Any help is appreciated.

I am now updating the document. I will add some lines about making your own targets. When I launched the first verion of the Prefitter 2 years ago it was all still pretty experimental and some steps in the workflow were hindered by bugs in Poser. I decided to leave that bit out until those interested would ask. Reason also to choose the 'flux' medium of a Sway.

Also, is there any intention to create a similar prefitter for male counterparts especially that there are indications that La Femme will have a boyfriend in the works. Thanks. The 'male' thing is already in the process via Rafael(la) and causing headache. The Prefitter essentially is a tight suit of a defined cut. Cut of garments for males is different from cut of garments for females. I think I will make a new 'suit' for males and include in that also female loose tops, not tailored at the waist. Consequence is that the injections for the male suit will not work for the female suit and vice-versa, but that is the price to pay.

I do not know about a male partner for LF, and will probably see him when he comes out. If the fab 4 want me to provide such support at launch time they know where to find me.

Talking about boys: I did once spot PE with a boyfriend. He is a nice guy and he would not be too far beyond support of the PE prefitter injection now in process of testing.

Rumour has it he is a ladies' man in every respect, but maybe a little too much so. He but a bit shy because of a, ahem, male problem, gender identity, how shall it be called here on Rendo?, It may be solved, some day.

If 'LeMec' is a bit like Evolus, supporting him would not be that difficult.

For now, the PE injection works fine. Little Pudly robs all of V4's wardrobe.

But hey this is the LaFemme thread. I am disgressing. Sorry about that.

philebus posted at 4:09PM Sat, 16 February 2019 - #4346293

I'm sorry to say that my free time this week has just been taken up with lots of little jobs and and real life problems, so I just haven't been able to have much of a go with this yet. I did feel I should do something though, but have to apologize that it's only very simple as I only had lunch today to work on it.

Apologies for the pun also.

I'm looking forward to working more with dynamic dresses - this pose doesn't do justice to this dress though but I intend to try out some other ideas with it later. The handy thing for me is that you get the natural wrinkles and folds which make life easier for working on a faux paint effect.

Cool - your cover series is really original! Check out the part about wind force in the tutorial. You typically need that or a bit of movement in the scene to get some really dramatic drapes. That's why there are some wind presets and alternate drapes in there as well.

operaguy posted at 5:09PM Sat, 16 February 2019 - #4346263

Looking at the promos for the Red Dress, one of them seems to say that "Femme Fatale Body Morphs" are included. Is that the same as "Femme Fatale HD Morphs?"

Those are some extremely beautiful fabric/print texture maps for the dress.

It's a great package, Blackhearted.

[edit to add:] I don't understand -- if this is a Poser Cloth Room item, why are there morphs for draping and wind, which are irrelevant if you are simulating movement and wind in the Cloth Room

::::: Opera :::::

Yes, all the morphs in the Femme Fatale HD Morph pack that would affect the dress. You can get a dynamic dress to fit ANY morphs just by dialing them up during the simulation but it's much easier if there are already morphs in there at the start, especially for ones like flat or very large breasts on a part like the bodice. Without morphs in half your sims large breasts may pop out (bit like real life, lol), and with small breasts there is too much cloth and it may sag (again like RL, which is part of the reason dynamics are awesome). This is why morphs help.

Technically you don't need ANYTHING with dynamic, just a base .obj - which can then be shrink-wrapped onto anything. But the extras are nice to have and make it a lot easier to get some cool effects.

Wind morphs and the alternate starting drapes are there to help move things along. If you have a complex pose (crouched, seated, etc) it can help keep the dress from getting tangled in things the same way a woman will typically adjust her dress before sitting down or crouching or getting on a bike. Or you may specifically want the dress to drape on a certain side/direction but don't want to fuss with adding a wind force generator. The ZERO Drape is especially useful for really complex or weird poses:

If you're in a hurry or super lazy you can also get away with using the built-in wind morphs for a lot of standing poses with a bit of adjustment. There's also morphs for more difficult things like the top off/toga/front flipped over shoulder/etc.

Incidentally, I've been biting my tongue for awhile but I think it's time I address those who are calling my HD Morphs 'anorexic'. That term gets bandied about way too loosely these days. Just because one version of a morph has a flat chest, abs and a serratus anterior morph doesn't mean it represents someone with an eating disorder. Anyone that thinks that this (click for NSFW pic) is 'anorexic' is delusional and should educate themselves on healthy eating and fitness before making a fool out of themselves with an ignorant comment about an eating disorder.

Some slender, tiny, lithe, small-breasted women are not anorexic, and they eat like mad, and they are not bulimic, either. I refer to figure skaters and dancers, especially ballet dancers. I don't know how many calories a day they eat, but they expend so much energy in class, rehearsal, and performance, their intake is huge. Anyone who has noticed my renders can see I adore them, I am not reluctant to say.

::::: Opera :::::

BH, thanks for clarifying (I think). My SOP is a .obj with the cloth shrunk around the figure. I use the morph brush on my dancers' dresses or leotards to remove the bulge you cited. I've never tried Cloth Simulation with a highly morphed clothing item. I will probably purchase your package for Sasha, and will investigate. I want those texture materials.

::::: Opera :::::

`This is Neko La Femme,

Well, so far I have received nothing but grief from this board, but I will try again. As I have stated, I want to create a face shape for La Femme that I can use as a base for further character development. This is a WIP of project ULRIKA. I just thought she looked Swedish. So far I've tried to produce an average face without straying too far away from the La Femme original geometry. I promise she will be worth every penny/cent you pay for her, because you will not find her in the store. She is going to be FREE. However, I first need to sort out the problems to do with the way the figure is constructed - with animatable joint centers etc. Firstly Blackhearted has said in the manual that there is a problem in Poser. In order to match centers to morphs, you have to first create a full body morph so that the morph is in the body actor. Fine, except when I right click on that morph, I do not get the option to match centers to morph. Any other morph, no problem, full body morph - fail. See pic below. Now, I know this should put the control handles in the right place, but I'm not sure about the eyes and mouth. It's easy enough to move teeth and tongue using translate dials, but there is no translate dial for the eyes. (I've used x offset to position so far) The one that is there moves the whole face with the eyes. Ability to scale the eyes would be useful as well. Any thoughts ?