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Subject: Lighting in Superly (Poser 11)


rokket ( ) posted Sun, 18 September 2022 at 4:13 PM

I was playing with my Wiley Kitt and came up with this image. I added Miki 4 to show her to scale vs the default V4 that she came from. The whole costume is made, but I didn't feel like adding it or even adding the textures I made for it, so I added this Nanette Tredoux material to it. And Miki is wearing her Spider Gwen/Ghost Spider suit with the head material fully transparent.

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If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


primorge ( ) posted Sun, 18 September 2022 at 5:09 PM

Oh.

Just lower the specular a bit on the light in the material room. Can you do that in Superfly? Actually I don't think you can. You can't modulate a lights diffuse with an add node in Superfly like you can in Firefly so maybe it's not possible. The only other option would be to change the blinn reflectivity on your skin materials I guess. I don't know your material set up. A roughness map would help alot. Probably definitely hborre could give better advice on that front.

My advice was going to be to either get a more sheer sort of drape on the dress, cloth density probably, or use the morph brush to suggest it isn't as stiff as it appears... I think just pushing the one side of the hem in a bit closer to the thigh would help for a more naturalistic look but that's probably just being nitpicky. These are the things I fret about.


primorge ( ) posted Sun, 18 September 2022 at 5:11 PM

Um. You're already on to the next thing lol. We have very different project behaviors :)

Anyway. I need to stop blabbing now.


hborre ( ) posted Sun, 18 September 2022 at 6:39 PM

So kind of you to mention me in reference to the lighting situation.  Just to touch upon that indoor render, there are 2 possible solutions to get a more realistic image.  First, consider the light source(s) and what you want to convey in terms of set illumination.  There is definitely a strong light source situated above, however, it appears too bright and overpowering.  It would have been better if the scene was lit with different off-camera light sources to add some definition to the room and the model.  A smaller light source above with inverse square for light falloff; off-camera lights at chest level to simulate ambient illumination from other rooms or table lamps.  Anything to add interest to the scene painted with lights and shadows.  The best example is to observe your own physical environment and observe how lights cast shadows and shapes.

Second, try to tune the specularity down; the only times you have glistening skin is when you are wet or smeared with oil.  A specular map can help if it is not too contrasty and needs to be corrected with grayscale filtering.  Again, the best example is examining your own skin and observing how it responds to average lighting conditions.  You will find that you are not as reflective as seen in some of those renders.  

Whenever I look through the gallery, I find some images that just do not look right for some reason.  And if it doesn't look right then something is definitely wrong with the setup.


rokket ( ) posted Sun, 18 September 2022 at 10:40 PM

I will try to tone down the light itself, because the skin was done with EZSkin and I don't want to go through V4's NUMEROUS mats to change it. I think toning down the area light will get me what I need. I cranked it up to 300 and it probably would have been good with 100.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

And yeah, I don't hang on projects too long because I get bored waiting for someone to respond, so I move on to other things while I am waiting.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


hborre ( ) posted Sun, 18 September 2022 at 11:22 PM

Some other users have complained about the specularity set too high with the EZSkin shaders; that is also my assessment so I tone down the specularity on the Blinn node.  The image below is a converted skin texture from V4 to Dawn with EZSkin applied.  I have been tweaking the shaders with the texture to some satisfaction.  Some shaders got completely reworked like the eyes and the teeth.  I've also been experimenting with layers and tattoos.

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rokket ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 3:29 AM

Interesting tone.

I will take a look at it later. I left my laptop to render this image. I woke up to go use the toilet, and it's done, so here is the new picture with the area light set to 100. Down from 450...

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If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


hborre ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 8:38 AM

Much, much better.  I like that little expression on her face.


rokket ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 9:11 AM

Yeah, it was inspired by my mom. She was always pointing to the door and asking us if we were born in a barn. It was usually me or my brother leaving it open as we ran through the house. We never had the nerve to smart off to her when she asked that question. Just went back and closed the door.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


Y-Phil ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 1:46 PM

rokket posted at 9:11 AM Mon, 19 September 2022 - #4444762

Yeah, it was inspired by my mom. She was always pointing to the door and asking us if we were born in a barn. It was usually me or my brother leaving it open as we ran through the house. We never had the nerve to smart off to her when she asked that question. Just went back and closed the door.

50 years later, I'm still earing Mom shouting something similar - lol
That being said, your Mom - sorry your character - is gorgeous 😄


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rokket ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 3:57 PM

Y-Phil posted at 1:46 PM Mon, 19 September 2022 - #4444778

rokket posted at 9:11 AM Mon, 19 September 2022 - #4444762

Yeah, it was inspired by my mom. She was always pointing to the door and asking us if we were born in a barn. It was usually me or my brother leaving it open as we ran through the house. We never had the nerve to smart off to her when she asked that question. Just went back and closed the door.

50 years later, I'm still earing Mom shouting something similar - lol
That being said, your Mom - sorry your character - is gorgeous 😄


Haha!

It's A4, and I just dialed down her face and head to close to "realistic" and added a few other tweaks. I like her and I will probably use her for future projects. This was a lighting test that I failed the first time around.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


primorge ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 9:08 PM · edited Mon, 19 September 2022 at 9:09 PM

So I was looking at that V4 thread and the topic of sunglasses came up. It made me think of that old Kubrick Lolita poster with the heart shaped sunglasses. I thought to myself well surely someone made those, right? So I did a search and there was only one Poser result and those are no longer available.

https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/Lolita_Glasses

So I made it. It's not UV'd (does something like this need UVs really) but it's got materials for the frames, lenses (which have thickness), arm accents (they're little hearts that would look good with a metal shader I think), and the arms, or whatever they're called. They're not perfect but a decent enough approximation, I'm better at organic stuff than hard surface.

It's just an obj and a mtl file. Import it and it's a prop that fits V4. Maybe you might want a copy? I'll leave the link up for a day and then x poof x...

Lolita Shades

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rokket ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 9:34 PM

I downloaded it. I bet I could use those.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


hborre ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:12 PM

Nice.  Thank you.  Now to give it Cycles materials.


primorge ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:19 PM

You're welcome. I figured, that's why I made the lenses with thickness. Though they clip some at the borders where they sink into the frames, not sure if that would botch refraction.


rokket ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:20 PM · edited Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:20 PM


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I am going to go with these glasses for Kara. But not that outfit. I have to find something else that will not have issues with bending, as she is about to get her butt kicked by her evil doppelganger. So I need a good outfit for this. I don't have much, and searching for something in the market places of various sites reveals a lot of slut wear and not much else.

Maybe I can do some refitting in Poser and do a donor rig. I am not sure.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


primorge ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:28 PM

What do you want her to be wearing?


primorge ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:29 PM

Well, one things for sure... there's no shortage of cat fight poses for V4 lol.


rokket ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:37 PM

primorge posted at 10:28 PM Mon, 19 September 2022 - #4444809

What do you want her to be wearing?

I think maybe something casual. I am going to go back and watch a few episodes of the Supergirl series and try to get some ideas from the outfits that Melissa Benoist was wearing as Kara.

And yeah, I will be doing my own posing for this, since it's a superhero battle and not your average cat fight.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:40 PM

I loaded your Lolita glasses into my lighting scene, and they fit her perfectly. I was going to render it, but I remembered that one took most of the night to finish, so maybe I will let it render tomorrow when I am busy with a few household chores before I go back to work on Wednesday. Then I will post it here. They make my A4 morph look really cute...

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


primorge ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 10:40 PM

You want to see an excerpt from my Supergirl's, SG(W), epic final confrontation with Gorilla Grod at the Oregon Zoo? I don't want to reveal too much from issue 3, wherein Kara goes into hiding in Lincoln Park, gets a job as a folk singer at a dive bar, is given a bit role in the Clint Eastwood film 'every which way but loose', has a tumultuous affair with Eastwood, and ends up embroiled in a conflict involving animal rights that asks some difficult philosophical questions and...

But I'm revealing too much.

Here's highlights from the battle captured on film...

https://youtu.be/jnhGtbLOgDc

To be Hulkinued.



hborre ( ) posted Mon, 19 September 2022 at 11:27 PM · edited Mon, 19 September 2022 at 11:27 PM

Lolita shades rendered in Superfly.  I needed to resize the shades a little bit to accommodate the rotation but it works.

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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 12:07 AM

primorge posted at 10:40 PM Mon, 19 September 2022 - #4444814

You want to see an excerpt from my Supergirl's, SG(W), epic final confrontation with Gorilla Grod at the Oregon Zoo? I don't want to reveal too much from issue 3, wherein Kara goes into hiding in Lincoln Park, gets a job as a folk singer at a dive bar, is given a bit role in the Clint Eastwood film 'every which way but loose', has a tumultuous affair with Eastwood, and ends up embroiled in a conflict involving animal rights that asks some difficult philosophical questions and...

But I'm revealing too much.

Here's highlights from the battle captured on film...

https://youtu.be/jnhGtbLOgDc

To be Hulkinued.


That seriously gave me a chuckle.

I will be going to bed soon

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 12:08 AM

hborre posted at 11:27 PM Mon, 19 September 2022 - #4444815

Lolita shades rendered in Superfly.  I needed to resize the shades a little bit to accommodate the rotation but it works.

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Very nice.

Good night all...

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


primorge ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 8:12 AM

Thanks for testing them hborre, that's a lovely render. I need to fix a couple things on them, uv map them, but good to know they render well 👍


rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 9:13 AM

I will be running my render this morning. I got up early because my dog was complaining that he wanted to go out and do his business. I made a cup of coffee and I am just waiting for the rest of the house to get up. Then I am off to the races. Figuratively.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 10:18 AM

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Where can I find an outfit that V4 can wear as Kara Danvers? Mostly what I am finding is slut wear and I can't find anything 'business suit' leaning. I looked into how they dressed Melissa Benoist for the tv series, but that wasn't much help.

I could model something, work on getting good topology for rigging... but that would take a lot more time than I really want to spend on this.

In case you missed it, I was asked if I could do a comic book style scene recreating the Superman 3 fight Clark vs Superman in the auto wrecking yard. I am going to do it in an abandoned area, and have to model some breakaway walls and such. It's the reason for the resurgence of the Supergirl suits I was making. The need for the glasses and what-not.

But I need a decent outfit for Kara. That school girl outfit for A4 was ok, but the morphs were hard to adjust to replicate the body I am using for both characters.

I don't want to pay for it, so I may end up having to model something anyhow... damn

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


Y-Phil ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 10:47 AM · edited Tue, 20 September 2022 at 10:49 AM

rokket posted at 10:18 AM Tue, 20 September 2022 - #4444837

Where can I find an outfit that V4 can wear as Kara Danvers? Mostly what I am finding is slut wear and I can't find anything 'business suit' leaning. I looked into how they dressed Melissa Benoist for the tv series, but that wasn't much help.

I could model something, work on getting good topology for rigging... but that would take a lot more time than I really want to spend on this.

In case you missed it, I was asked if I could do a comic book style scene recreating the Superman 3 fight Clark vs Superman in the auto wrecking yard. I am going to do it in an abandoned area, and have to model some breakaway walls and such. It's the reason for the resurgence of the Supergirl suits I was making. The need for the glasses and what-not.

But I need a decent outfit for Kara. That school girl outfit for A4 was ok, but the morphs were hard to adjust to replicate the body I am using for both characters.

I don't want to pay for it, so I may end up having to model something anyhow... damn

When it comes to Vic4's clothes, one vendor that sells clothes with the best versatility and a great number of morphs to be able to adapt is 3D-Age.
As I haven't looked at that sh1t generator called TV for two years now 😄 I don't know what kind of clothes you're looking for but if you need something cool, business-like and not too sexy:

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or

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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 11:10 AM

I don't want to have to buy anything for a one-off project, but those do look pretty good. Especially the bottom one.

Where do they sell that stuff?

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primorge ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 12:23 PM · edited Tue, 20 September 2022 at 12:25 PM

Here. 3D-Age's stuff is on sale sometimes. Nice undress morphs in some of his things. I have a few of his things, mostly fantasy.


Y-Phil ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 12:51 PM
rokket posted at 11:10 AM Tue, 20 September 2022 - #4444841

I don't want to have to buy anything for a one-off project, but those do look pretty good. Especially the bottom one.

Where do they sell that stuff?

Here on Rendo

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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 1:07 PM

Y-Phil posted at 12:51 PM Tue, 20 September 2022 - #4444844

rokket posted at 11:10 AM Tue, 20 September 2022 - #4444841

I don't want to have to buy anything for a one-off project, but those do look pretty good. Especially the bottom one.

Where do they sell that stuff?

Here on Rendo
That looks really good, but right now I can't do it. This economy is killing me. I struggle to make my payments for necessities like my house and car. Never mind gas and luxuries like that outfit.

I know it's not that expensive, but pennies and nickels have suddenly become very important around my house...

I hate the current situation America is facing.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 1:13 PM · edited Tue, 20 September 2022 at 1:13 PM

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I guess I will try to fix this up and see if I can make it work. It was a very fast throw together, and I tried out some things I hadn't done before, like folding the shirt on itself and adding buttons. I should have modeled in the seams on the arms and the sides. I may still do that. Just a simple color and a noise node for texture. It's only a test. And she doesn't have anything on her bottom. I am still trying to figure that one out.

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 1:42 PM

This shirt look snice as is

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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 2:23 PM

I need to redo it, and give it the seams and a Chinese collar. And then I need to make the cuffs just a bit smaller. I found out when I did the cloth sim that the shirt will open as it drapes, so I had to add constrained groups there and in the cuffs so they would retain their shape. But I can do this with a bit of time.

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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 2:24 PM

I will try to do a pair of pants first. Something simple, yet elegant. If I can pull it off. Then I will model the shirt to fit over the pants.

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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 5:40 PM

So I went with yoga pants because, well why not? I don't have any issues with them creation-wise, and I see them everywhere in real life.

I think I am going to have to add the buttons on that shirt as individual props. You can see one of them is intersecting the shirt and I am not sure how to get it back to the surface. Maybe if they are individual props on the shirt I can move them into place after a simulation. This isn't desired for animation of course, but this will be a comic, so still images.

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hborre ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 6:17 PM

Yep, prop buttons will work best for a still image render.  Can't go wrong there.


hborre ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 6:25 PM

I went back to the Lolita shades image and completed the scene.  I used a two-point light system created by Ghostship except I converted the Area lights to Blackbody illumination with a warm temperature; added some hair with Ghostship texture and a tattoo to complete the look.

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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 6:47 PM

hborre posted at 6:25 PM Tue, 20 September 2022 - #4444874

I went back to the Lolita shades image and completed the scene.  I used a two-point light system created by Ghostship except I converted the Area lights to Blackbody illumination with a warm temperature; added some hair with Ghostship texture and a tattoo to complete the look.

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That looks awesome.

Do you think the clothes I create will do the trick? I will obviously change the color schemes and add a better bump map. But I am not sure if this says "professional reporter" or not...

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


hborre ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 7:09 PM

Wow, that's a good question considering that Kara works for a Metropolitan newspaper; extremely casual clothing might not be suitable for office attire.  Dresses, skirts and blouses, and business suits would seem more appropriate for credibility.  However, investigative reporters seem to follow a different dress code to better blend into their environment, so you may need to decide what type of reporter Kara is going to be up to this point in your story.


RedPhantom ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 8:47 PM
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If you don't mind converting, you could check out MIKI4 Casuals Suit Set or Saber Suit for Kururu from sharecg. Both are free.


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rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 9:13 PM

Hmmmm. That might be an option. I'll check those out.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 9:24 PM
RedPhantom posted at 8:47 PM Tue, 20 September 2022 - #4444889

If you don't mind converting, you could check out MIKI4 Casuals Suit Set or Saber Suit for Kururu from sharecg. Both are free.

For some reason, ShareCG won't bring those up. No matter what I put in the search, it defaults to the Poser page with no search functions...

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 9:34 PM

RedPhantom posted at 8:47 PM Tue, 20 September 2022 - #4444889

If you don't mind converting, you could check out MIKI4 Casuals Suit Set or Saber Suit for Kururu from sharecg. Both are free.

For some reason, ShareCG won't bring those up. No matter what I put in the search, it defaults to the Poser page...

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hborre ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 9:35 PM

Here you go: https://www.sharecg.com/v/68400/.


hborre ( ) posted Tue, 20 September 2022 at 9:37 PM

Top and skirt, dynamic and conformer combo: https://www.sharecg.com/v/68049/


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RedPhantom ( ) posted Wed, 21 September 2022 at 7:01 AM · edited Wed, 21 September 2022 at 7:01 AM
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Available on Amazon for the Kindle E-Reader Monster of the North and The Shimmering Mage

Today I break my own personal record for the number of days for being alive.
Check out my store here or my free stuff here
I use Poser 13 and win 10


rokket ( ) posted Wed, 21 September 2022 at 8:15 AM

So who is Kururu?

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


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