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Subject: I am the most questions asked, I know. reflections on human skin


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Rhia474 ( ) posted Fri, 01 September 2023 at 6:22 PM · edited Fri, 01 September 2023 at 6:24 PM

Yeah, that fixed it. I am sloppy. Thankies!


ETA: nice roughness modulation with this, many, many, thanks.


Rhia474 ( ) posted Fri, 01 September 2023 at 6:31 PM

Yeah, this is good.

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Fri, 01 September 2023 at 6:47 PM

Wow!

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CobraBlade ( ) posted Fri, 01 September 2023 at 7:30 PM

Awesome Phil! I'll be sure to update the version hosted on my website shortly to this newest version, and thank you for always coming through for us. :)
Also for going beyond the call of duty, tasking yourself with creating a Ghostship's Cycles in the future, as I know that won't be easy.

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CobraBlade ( ) posted Fri, 01 September 2023 at 9:20 PM
Rhia474 posted at 6:31 PM Fri, 1 September 2023 - #4473882

Yeah, this is good.

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Yeah, I didn’t give the Cycles shaders much of a chance back in Poser 11/12 since the SuperFly shaders did what I needed, but with Poser 13, I’ve finally played around with them. 

Your render is a good example of the shader in action.

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CobraBlade ( ) posted Mon, 25 December 2023 at 5:29 PM · edited Mon, 25 December 2023 at 5:29 PM

All happy on the skin side of things, but I have to say I'm missing being able to just apply BB Hair Shader by AP ever since upgrading to Poser 13.
So doing a bunch of testing with hair to find what I'll use as a replacement going forward. Here are my tests I'm selecting from.

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I think I'm leaning into still using EZSkin, and was thinking of going with the SuperFly shader... but when it came to Aether Hair that one of my main characters use, this...xi0spcJ4bBXkCtrgScAtcHlRkGZWSnf0fRiTZPUv.png

Turned into this

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Tue, 26 December 2023 at 9:16 AM
CobraBlade posted at 5:29 PM Mon, 25 December 2023 - #4479586

I am not sure to understand. I mean, I don't know how to set the BB Hair Shader correctly (and I clearly doesn't know anymore how to use EZSkin with firelfly - lool), as I prefer largely Superfly and Cycles-based nodes. But a fast test shows that it's useable with EZSkin 3.2bis

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CobraBlade ( ) posted Tue, 26 December 2023 at 1:59 PM · edited Tue, 26 December 2023 at 1:59 PM

You can apply it using EZSkin no problem, it's more of how Poser 13 handles the shader.
If I use my example from earlier.

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The exact same scene rendered using SuperFly in Poser 11 & 13. With how it renders in Poser 13, that's why I've tried to find a replacement.

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hborre ( ) posted Tue, 26 December 2023 at 3:22 PM

From what I understand, some nodes have been modified and improved internally.  It becomes a matter of isolating and changing the modified settings.  It might mean that the shaders need a complete overhaul.  


Y-Phil ( ) posted Fri, 29 December 2023 at 2:40 PM · edited Fri, 29 December 2023 at 2:40 PM

I  had to increase the LowGloss and the HighGloss parameters for EZ_CycleSkin:

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For the Hair, I've used the default values for the BB Hair shader. except:
* the "Spcular Normal 2: 0.42 instead of 0.45, 
* white color tint, as I've checked "Use color map"

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And that gave me:

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Using my 3-lights setup: 2 areas (front-right + back-right) + infinite for the background

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CobraBlade ( ) posted Fri, 29 December 2023 at 7:06 PM

Thanks for taking a look into the settings, but I think some things just render very differently in Poser 13. It looks like your settings have calmed the result a bit. But you'll notice it in your render too, if we use BB Hair shader, Poser 13 will give the hair random white glows in strange places.

As for the Superfly shader and Aether hair MAT 2 turning orange. I just tested it in Poser 11. Looks like that has always been the case, possibly why I didn't go with it back then.

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 29 December 2023 at 8:09 PM

The problem arises with the use of the PoserSurface node for Superfly rendering.  Try connecting the PhysicalSurface node to BB's shader array and you will get a different render result.  My suspicions center around the usage of the Translucent feature in the original setup but I can only verify that by meticulously pulling every connector apart and replacing every node with Superfly-specific nodes.  In all reality, if you are serious about embracing Superfly-rendering as your primary workflow, I suggest making a clean break from the PoserSurface node as your root base.


CobraBlade ( ) posted Sat, 10 February 2024 at 1:09 AM

You're probably right hborre, and it would be great if we could get the BB Hair Shader by AP remade for Poser 13 upwards, but unfortunately, I think we have lost the entire development and creation with the SmichMicro Poser forums disappearance. So I'm not even sure who was responsible for its creation. I'm guessing BB stands for Bagginsbill, but I'm not sure who AP would be.

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