As long as we can get the nipple morphs set to zero, we should be good, yeah.

You're assuming our girl does not have pokey nipples in her natural state. It's in fact of my biggest problems when simulating clothes on her that the areolae and nipples aren't completely flat by default.

That said, I just checked, and I did in fact have the nipple morphs on when I thought I didn't. Apologies! *wipes egg from face*

Here's the same pose with all morphs off (I hope) and a more opaque shirt (except for sleeves). I haven't made the skirt longer yet, but it turns out not to ride up as much when she's her original, skinnier self.

I was about to yell SHE IS VERY PG-FRIENDLY IN DEFAULT but you beat me to it LMAO  (or: how to tell that odf got the Pro version, dialed favorites and saved it back to library xD )

I was about to yell SHE IS VERY PG-FRIENDLY IN DEFAULT but you beat me to it LMAO

Here's one with a longer skirt and PG-friendly chest (I hope). Do you think she'll get in trouble over her extravagant stockings?

Depends on the office. Law office, probably. Marketing or sales? Nah.

Depends on the office. Law office, probably. Marketing or sales? Nah.

In case you wondered what I'm wasting my time with while so many garments remain unpublished...

Rhia474 posted at 8:10 AM Fri, 4 October 2024 - #4489988

Depends on the office. Law office, probably. Marketing or sales? Nah.

Working title: ODF's Advanced Tea-Towel Simulator, or OATS!

(Vaguely thread related I guess, because once I've got this working, I'll probably use it for most of my fabric materials.)

Not a new garment, but publishing new materials for an existing one is not entirely unheard of...

Details of the aforementioned materials:

They are looking really great!

Details of the aforementioned materials:

Incredible-looking procedural fabrics.  I am very interested in what the Shaders look like in the Material Room.

Those fabrics are looking amazing!

Tipol posted at 8:39 AM Mon, 28 October 2024 - #4490844

great! can we know more? sale? tutorial?

Anyway, fitting to the thread title, it's all very much work in progress at this point.

hborre posted at 9:17 AM Mon, 28 October 2024 - #4490845

Incredible-looking procedural fabrics.  I am very interested in what the Shaders look like in the Material Room.

Here's the top level of the red-and-black checked fabric:

The central piece is the Weaver compound node which I made. It takes the u and v coordinates - which I'm distorting by adding some fractal noise in order to introduce irregularities - a scale to determine how many threads to draw per uv unit, a gap parameter to determine the density of the fabric, and three more that determine the type of the weaving. The main outputs are a bump map the simulates the elevation of the threads in the weaving and an opacity mask so that we can look through the gaps between the threads. Then there's some output that helps with the coloring of individual threads as shown in the lower left corner. I'm also adding a bit of extra bump after the fact.

Here's what the inside of the compound node looks like:

That goes on for quite a bit, as you can see by the sliders. How did I make this? Not by hand, obviously. Here's the script with the formulas (actually a slightly more recent version with more outputs):

Together with a library I made, the script produces an .mt5 file that I can load into Poser to get the compound node. It's a bit like a poor person's matmatic and loom.

Excuse me whilst I test the limits of my little toy-loom. Today I learned that a hounds-tooth weave is just a twill with alternating colors in both the warp and weft.

A herringbone pattern is beyond the skills of my weaver node, but I can use two to make a twill and its mirror image and then alternate between those.

Wow. Can you make nubby silk? Woven brocade? Corduroy?

*grabbyhands*

Holy scrambled noodle, Batman! xD

Edit: you could totally sell a pack of procedural shaders for Superfly, wink wink nudge nudge.

Rhia474 posted at 8:37 AM Tue, 29 October 2024 - #4490875

Wow. Can you make nubby silk? Woven brocade? Corduroy?

*grabbyhands*

Incidentally, I wonder if textile enthusiasts would give me dirty looks if I claimed that corduroy was just a special case of brocade.

Holy scrambled noodle, Batman! xD

Edit: you could totally sell a pack of procedural shaders for Superfly, wink wink nudge nudge.

I'm sure this is far away from what actual nubby silk looks like, but it's kind of nubby and kind of silky, and I like it.

What I really need is a better understanding of how the fBm node works so that I can do per-thread variations in thickness and coloration in a random but controlled way. So, I guess I'll work on that now...

Here's a first take on linen. Took me a while to get the variation in thread thickness working nicely. None of the texture nodes in Poser were particularly cooperative, so I ended up with a different approach to achieving randomness. Here the thickness of each individual thread is still constant all the way through. I think that works out alright for linen although it's not ideal, but for other materials I'd definitely want it to vary along the thread as well.

Excuse me whilst I try out the compound node I made for varying thread characteristics. I made it independent of the weaving itself, so I can also use it on wider strips of fabric, not just individual threads. 

sweet!  is it hard to change the colors?  i know some of your spaghetti node shaders are, well, challenging to tweak colorwise.  and will any of these take a texture so you could have like textured printed fabric?  used to use Loom all the time so am happy to have a new mini-loom to play with.

Unfortunately, I've never used the Loom myself. I saw BB's posts about it back in the day, but was too busy with other things then, and then when I came back to Poser in 2021, I jumped straight to P12. A pity, I'm sure I would have learned a lot.

The weaver node does not produce any color output itself. One can plug anything into the diffuse color of the shader, be it a solid color, an image map or a procedural texture. I'd probably use a plain or satin weave in that case. Things get more complicated though when one wants to simulate a weaving where the color varies by thread, the simplest case being one color for the weft (horizontal threads) and a different color for the warp (vertical threads). The weaver node produces some output to help with that kind of thing, such as masks for the warp and weft, a thread number and thread-relative uv coordinates - some of these heavily inspired by a YouTube video I watched.

The houndstooth and checkered fabrics I showed are examples where both the warp and the weft use two different colors. I imagine in such cases I could hide away the logic for the color distribution into a compound node and give it two inputs for the colors to be used or something like that. It really depends on the specific material. I admit I haven't been very good at that kind of thing in the past, in part because I find organizing a shader into logical parts and laying it out on the screen in a readable fashion quite challenging.

Here's an example of a linen with the warp and weft in different colors, using a Blender node with the "weft mask" output of the weaver node plugged in to select which one is used.

i never understood bb's stuff even when i used it but the results were really interesting.  and the spaghetti was impressive. i'm not sure we had compound nodes back then either, which at least help clean up the palette.

would be nice to be able to modify colors easily, but whatever you do works for me.

didn't see the yellow dress above, that's perfect.

Yes, I'll try to remember to always make it obvious how the colors can be changed.

Incidentally, here's the outcome of the latest battle with my age-old enemy, the villain known as Denim. I've yet to best the legendary foe, but I feel that their advantage is becoming smaller.

I am certainly no expert in such matters, but I get a feeling someone may be in the market for a new dress...

Proof that I'm trying my best to keep the noodliness in check:

Those compound nodes look good.

Those compound nodes look good.

Here's a simple tartan. Not much in the way of calculation in this case, just using a 1-row image for the pattern that I'm loading into two separate image-map nodes. I'm debating whether I should make another compound node that lets one specify a sequence of colors and thread counts. The problem is that because of how Poser nodes work, I'd have to put an arbitrary limit on the complexity.

Here's what it looks like zoomed out:

Wow! Your fabrics are stunning. I am so speechless o.O

Wow! Your fabrics are stunning. I am so speechless o.O

They all look great! But this one and the tartan are my favourites so far.

I would SOOOOO buy these mats! I love procedural mats, and these are gorgeous.

What I'll probably do is get a dozen or so fabrics together, make sure they're all up to date and release them as a freebie. With most of the complexity hidden away in compound nodes it should not be too hard to create new fabrics after seeing a few examples, but maybe I'm overly optimistic here. :-) Anyway, it will all be free for commercial and non-commercial use as usual, so if any enterprising vendors wanted to create more fabrics based on my setup, they'd be very welcome to.

Thank you very much.  It will be interesting to see what other users can come up with.

Here's a more complex tartan I made up:

And here's what it looks like in the material room now:

As you can see, I moved away from the image input and am instead now using a pair of compound nodes for the thread counts and colors. I think I may have to increase number of inputs from 8 to 12 or even 16.

Now I have a third favourite fabric *gg* Gorgeous!

A freebie with your fabrics would be much appreciated, but I too would be very willing to pay for them.

Varnayrah posted at 6:29 AM Sun, 10 November 2024 - #4491205

Now I have a third favourite fabric *gg* Gorgeous!

A freebie with your fabrics would be much appreciated, but I too would be very willing to pay for them.

Just because I was curious, here's a comparison of the tartan pattern above in a fairly dense twill versus a much lighter and more irregular plain weave: