Can we have a commercial free stuff area for store items? I would like to browse the freestuff area without being redirected to a store and it would be less confusing to be able to tell what is for a free item and what is for something I have to purchase. Being redireted to someones site takes time I rather not spend. I would also like to be less confused about what is free for products sold and what is free for items shared. Im not really bugged out that much over this but I thought it would clear up some confusion and save many of us a little time on are browsers. Does this make any sence? Now that being said I want to say Im not trying to step on anyones toes here, Even a suffix that he item is a store item would help added to the upload name to let people know that its a store item or a shared item. As for the redirection the suffix website will let us know if we are about to be redirected from tis page to another site would also be nice. thank you.

Also some freestuff items have made it to the store, This is the right ofthe artist to do what they want with thier creation, But it would be nice if that artist would take down the dead link in free stuff so people wont wonder if the item is free or not until they happen across it in the store. Also I noticed that animations really bog down a browser when going to certain pages in freestuff, can these artist put the animations in the zip rather the slow everyones browser down?

huh?? They just added the ability to link to sites so that those who couldn't direct link could offer their stuff and now you want that changed? All those links open in a new window. As for commercial items - what exactly do you mean by that?? Vicky & Michael are commercial - the clothing packs are commercial and those things for that are definitely in the freestuff? Or do you mean those free downloads that pertain to other creators than DAZ? Such as the SMV and VV items or others? What about those things that are free and require those items as well? You would still have to hunt the original down unless you have it... If you just want items for the P4 go to that category instead of the what's new area.... I think it's a good thing to have the freebies for the purchased items - it expands them, and frankly if people would just read and look at the thumbnails they'd know what the items are for, most people don't hide that.

Ok maybe I was not paying attention to how this works, Picking myself up off the floor now. Guess I asked for that.

I do have a slooooooow browser, if I don't feel like leaving the site I close the window. you could easily do a search for an item that you are looking for. That's waht I do, saves me tons of time, and if saving time is the issue...

Im not saying get rid of them, I am saying have a seperate freestuff area for them. Some people create free figures from vicky 1.0 with body morphs then they might create a clothing item for that figure that is being sold for that figure that the dress only fits. in free stuff they might see dress for melinda, Well if I never saw the thread when melinda was created I might assume because the dress was free she might be further in freestuff someplace. Im just saying A new store item free stuff area might help clear up confusion. As for the links opening in a new page directed to a website, I guess it'is not that big a deal for someone with a fast browser. But if you have a slow browser it becomes a pain. And if this is not possible then just make t more clear what is free for store items and what is free for shared items. This is getting confuseing....

Th issue is I was attemting to toss out what I thought ws a great idea but it backfired in my face, Ok ill live see ya.

I understand what you were aiming for, but how would you determine what went where? What standards? Those items are that are totally 100% free in their own download area? Some people would argue that they are all free... Those based on items from Vendors here in their own category? Or all non-DAZ items?

Hmm, an interesting point, Mesh Magick. If I understand youcorrectly tell me if I'm wrongare you looking for a Freestuff area that involves only stuff for the models that come with Poser, or stuff for other models and characters which are free? And then a separate area for stuff for commercial products? That might be very useful. I admit, I don't mind looking at stuff for models I don't own. but then, I have ADSL. But it also might vastly complicate things. Also, you can view by P4, Vickie, Michael (others are not so widely known), so you can narrow your viewing quite a bit.

I can see the point, but I don't know how practical it would be. I think this would be less of an issue if everyone would just be sure to indicate that another product is needed to use the item so people don't download things needlessly (like your new fairy wings do LadySilverMage). It is frustrating to download something and find out I need something I don't have to use it. It must really be aggravating if you have a slow connection and spend 20 minutes getting some texture only to discover you can't even use it. Links to the site instead of the download don't bother me IF the link is to the download page. Sometimes they link to their main page (not always in English) and I'm left to hunt around. Once I clicked through five pages and still couldn't find it. Guess what? I'm quite likely to browse around your site anyway to see what you've done...you really don't need to force pageviews out of me ;) Still, I'd even rather have that than the incredibly annoying zip file that has a txt doc in it with the URL I have to visit. What the *&%#@ up with that?

Ok it was just an idea, Stange child you got it. Like this: Free stuff...... main menue All seach next menue community freestuff..... search by catagory Commercial freestuff 3rd party...search by catagory

I think that most of the items do state what they are made for (like my wings). Often times if it says "must own..." that's a pretty big clue it was a purchased item Otherwise they usually say things like "textures for PhilC's Classic Wrap" (yup another of mine lol) either way the majority of the stuff in the free section does tell us what it is for.

OK let me ask you this then, How would this idea make your life more difficult? Why are you opposed to the idea LadySilverMage if yo don't mind me aking? OH OH, the gates of hell are about to open, Darkness will cover the Earth, Evil will rise up and consume all that is good, Asama bin ladden will rule the earth and the world will end ...yada yada yada.

I think the main problem is the huge hassle you would have getting everyone to understand what goes in which category. Is a complete garment for Victoria a free item or a store freebie? You don't need Victoria to open it but it won't fit on anybody else. Once you've decided that, how do you make sure everybody else knows the decision, given that so many people seem to have difficulty reading two words under a thumb. Who do you pay to keep an eye on the postings and make sure they're all in the right category. Can you say "administrative nightmare?". Besides, unless you're someone that never ever buys anything, you're probably going to want to search the store freebie section anyway just in case something there is for the thing/s you own. So the only people that would benefit are those that never ever buy anything. Given that this site is a business and needs sales to stay in existense, I can't see Renderosity paying a programmer to make a change that is only an advantage to the one sector of members that don't help keep Renderosity online.

it is difficult because how do you decide that something is a "free for commercial 3rd party" ? half the stuff in there is for vicki and she is a commercial 3rd party. how do you define 3rd party? anything that didn't come with poser4? and how does this address the other applications? i'm not against it, i'm just wondering how you intend to make this nice idea actually WORK. :) by the way, check out the freebies area in 3-darena.com - the description area is sufficient to tell you if you need other commercial stuff to make the freebie work. by the way, LadySilverMage owns the site and I wrote the freebies script, sorry if it comes off as a plug, i just intend to point out a practical solution. we need solutions, not arguments.

, I can't see Renderosity paying a programmer to make a change that is only an advantage to the one sector of members that don't help keep Renderosity online. lol yeah.

Ajax: "Given that this site is a business and needs sales to stay in existense, I can't see Renderosity paying a programmer to make a change that is only an advantage to the one sector of members that don't help keep Renderosity online." You're lookin at him Ajax. :) My job here is to improve the site. If that helps the store, great. If that helps all the members, great. I don't prioritize my tasks by "whom" the task benefits most. In this case, right now, what is being asked for would only serve to confuse the uploaders. I mean, what exactly is a "store item"? I think others have expressed those concerns here quite well. If you can hash out the idea and make it workable, we'll certainly listen. Russell

actually, make that two programmers these days! :-) fur

oh great, how did this thread move here? hehe. now we've got their attention, i feel performance anxiety. ;)

lol I didn't even know it had moved until I clicked an email from earlier.... Well, MM aside from the obvious reasaons as you stated (gates of hell et. al) Ajax has hit on my problem with it quite succinctly. I honestly don't see the difference it would make as being that big a deal, honestly most of the time free stuff is searched via "What's New" and when you do that you get textures and props, characters and poses, you get it all! So if you generally enter the free stuff area through the "What's New" Section you'll get all those store items anyhow. And frankly I don't know of any who are hard core users of 3-D programs who don't buy something... and if you didn't think to look in the store stuff for something free you'd never know it was there. It's also the whole idea of what the deciding factors are. I frankly hate the whole "3rd party creations" thing - who is this 3rd party?? Anyone other than those who sell at DAZ? Anyone other than those who sell 'rosity? When I buy something will I know it is considered 3rd party?? What will you consider "free" how about those freebies that daz (and other creators) give out for a limited time - I got it free and now it isn't free, so where do I find the stuff for it? Then there is the other thing - does it bother enough people? I think it is generally assumed that a person can browse the What's new and they will find all those freebies for those items they paid for and quickly expand their libraries. Not to mention the headache of the "free" areas categories of hair, characters, poses, textures, utilities, Vicki/millie, michael etc... then doubled with the "free for products" of hair, characters, poses, textures, utilities, Vicki/millie, michael etc... Seems awful confusing when most people search via what's new and "most downloaded"

Oh my other "problem" was this line: "Being redireted to someones site takes time I rather not spend." Coupled with the "I don't want to see commercial freebies" it comes across as leeching, "gimme gimme gimme, but don't ask anything of me, just gimme as easily as possible, because I'll go somewhere else to not spend my money". I know that isn't what you intended, but it is how that comes across. Especiallay considering the majority of downloads DO mention what they are created for.

A lot of very good points have been made about how difficult this suggestion would be to implement, but I do see Mesh Magick's point about taking a lot of time to look at many items, only a few of which one can use. Even when it's clearly marked that a commercial product other than Poser basic is required, and I find that in most cases it is, or it's incredibly obvious what the model/texture is for (like, it's pictured on Massive Mike) it takes a while for screen with a lot of pictures to load, and if one is using a 56k modem and paying for 'phone bills... you see. I'm all for Renderosity making money but I don't see why it should make money for British Telecom. Tell me if this might help? In the FreeStuff as it now is, you can search under Michael or Millie/Vickie, as well as several other categories. Suppose there was a section for 'Posette/Dork' that would basically be the same as 'Millie/Vickie' and 'Michael', but with their stuff only? As for being redirected to other people's sites, I have no problem with that at all. Not only are people offering something for free, they're often paying to host that free something, and if the creators would like you to look at their site while you're downloading their offerings, perhaps be tempted by their commercial products, cool. Plus, there's often other stuff on the site I'm interested in seeing, like galleries and sometimes even other free stuff. I can't see any reason for changing that.

I agree with Strangechilde - a section for Posette/Dork would be nice to have. I don't use Vicki as often as I use Posette and it is annoying to have downloaded something that looked like it was for Posette, only to open it and find out it's for Vicki. That brings up something else I'd like to see - when you upload something to the freebie area, there's a place to write a description about the freebie, but the description doesn't show up. It would be helpful if that DID show up and folks would use it to clearly say what you need to have BEFORE you download it.

Now that's a good idea, Sihn. An area for description, sort of like there is in the Marketplace. Perhaps it should be an optional click? OrI ask the site programmers and managers! would that take up a huge amount of space and be unreasonable?

Sihn, you can view the Free Stuff descriptions by turning on Compact mode. The link is at the top of the Free Stuff pages. That turns off the thumbs and turns on the description text. Russell

Ooo, didn't know that! Cool!

I may be misinterpreting, but I think what Mesh_magic is talking about are freebie add-ons for products sold here. Like Syyd's GenX hair has a set of MAT poses in freestuff. The MATs would be utterly useless unless you own the hair. Same with Eowyn's magnets for Shari's clothing. That sort of thing. (As opposed to products that require you to own something else, like Vicky or a clothing pack.) And...I can see the point of having that as a separate section. It would make it a lot easier to find those specific freebies.