Well, well, well Eowyn...seems like you and I have the same problem.....

Dear generous, handsome, beautiful, wise, outstanding, full of knowledge, prince of donators wusamah, and whatever you like to be, big thanks for your freebies - this is really quality stuff, and in comparison to some store releases it's even more professional!(I admit, I wouldn't be able to do anything like that) I've got some experience with online publishing and I may assure you, whatever you try to get perfect, there's always an idiot who won't realize it. So please ignore the ignorants (those who cannot handle a simple cookie) and enjoy the praise of the silent majority.

No list? I thought not. Just an over obvious attempt at a feint to avoid the providing of a answer to the question posed.

shrugs along with Eowyn and Skygirl

"Wusamah, you're ugly and spotty" But you're stuff's damn cool! It's some of the best flash I've seen, (and I've looked :) I especially like the later ones with a choice of "beats" must take a while to get it to loop like that. Personaly I'm glad of every crumb of cake and bit of free stuff I get. For a start it means I don't have to cook, (argh, Deja Vu... :) but then I also carry a knife, because while free cake is not to be sniffed at, I draw the line at teeth marks... :P I look forward with baited breath, (must be the crumbs :) to 3.0, you just know it's going to be cool... later jb

Hi nikita, not enough chears for your homepage? OK, its'one of the best in the community. Should I really list up all neurotic kids that are playing around here? Nope. Wusamah donated his work to the community, and as far as I can evaluate it, it's really great stuff. Even if he has intended some merchandising for his site, it's a fair deal, because it's free. And if you are annoyed by pop up's and java scripts, simply click it away or disable it. This is Internet, not your local drive. Now ronk, I've read it! Doesn't mean that I wan't to flame. But sometimes it's really a good idea to get a little more into details before post a complaint. If you have to post a download with high bandwidth you often have to accept some compromises. This means that the free hosting is bundled with advertising, pop up's or advertising. We all have to pay our bills. This is the end my friend

Hi nikita,
not enough chears for your homepage? OK, its'one of the best in the community. Should I really list up all neurotic kids that are playing around here? Nope. Wusamah donated his work to the community, and as far as I can evaluate it, it's really great stuff. Even if he has intended some merchandising for his site, it's a fair deal, because it's free. And if you are annoyed by pop up's and java scripts, simply click it away or disable it. This is Internet, not your local drive.

Ummm...what?? I think you have me confused with another. :o

I really want a meaningful dialouge...really. Seems like you think that somebody who gives away free stuff has an attitude you find unacceptable. All I want is to know is: Who ?

OK, So now I've read the thread, bear with me, this may get technical. IE 6.0 (security patched) Tools-> Internet Options-> Privacy Setting: (Medium) "-Block third part cookies that do not have a compact privacy policy. -Block third party cookies that use personaly identifiable information without your implicit consent. -Block first party cookies that use personaly identifiable information without your implicit consent." Tools-> Internet Options-> Security. Internet: (custom level) DL + Run, Signed activeX controls enabled Script controls marked as safe, enabled unsigned & "unsafe" activeX disabled Java VM (High Safety) Software chanel permissions (Medium) Active scripting enabled script java applets enabled Navigate sub-frames across different domains, prompt Launch programs and files in Iframes, prompt Install desktop Items, prompt display mixed content, prompt Norton anti-virus corporate: version 7.50.846 scan engine 4.1.0.6 Virus defs file: 40213av 13 Feb 2002 (current) NAV Realtime protection enabled on Accessed or Modified, (scan on Create, Open, Move, Copy or Run) Bloodhound(TM) Heuristics virus detection technology enabled. Backup first, then repair/quarantine for both macros and non macro viruses. And now the meat :) Cookies are a fact of life, no cookies, no Hotmail, (amongst other things.) I have a shortcut to my "temporary internet items" on my desktop, I empty it manually every evening, including cookies. At no point, during yesterday or today, having visited both the uzilite "pointer" page and the tripod download page, did I get any popups. My browser is setup as defined above, I'm going directly through the firewall instead of through the web-cache like I'm supposed to. I have no other blocking software, and the firewall doesn't scan incoming traffic, that's handled at the desktop level by Norton. Both IE 6.0, and the consumer (3 month trial) version of Norton, that makes use of the same virus defs I use, are available for public download both from their respective companies, and from download.com. (The OEM version of Norton came preinstalled on my laptop direct from the factory.) This is pretty much a base spec, for "safe" computing in this day and age. Netscape only yesterday advised users to upgrade to the latest point release of thier software that fixes a significant security flaw. You are responsible for your own security, if you don't, can't or won't accept cookies, face the facts that a good 60-70% of the "public" internet is closed to you. Including all search engines, portal sites, and commercial web sites, that rely on cookies to track site usage and monitor returning visitors/customers for ad traffic, etc. You take your life in your hands when you venture off your own private subnet/computer, just as you do when you walk out of your own door. You computer literacy and/or lack of same is your responsibility, not that of the computer manufacturer, OS provider, site designer, or elected official. Just as it your responsibility to be aware of your surroundings outside of your door. It is not the job of the police to escort you to your car, and then drive you in convoy to your selected destination. If you are unable or unsure of how to configure your computer consult a professional, just as you would get a police/private appraisal of the state of your home secuurity. From a legal standpoint, accessing a web site, means the implicit acceptance of their online business practices, since accessing their site is an entirely volutary act on your part, including by accident and/or ommission. Such is the nature of the "connected" internet. Sites are neither required to have, or bound by any "privacy policy" they may have. Just as they are not required to maintain adequate security, except where mandated by goverment legislation. Such as the SEC mandated security statement for all publicly quoted companies that maintain a computer system. Outside of these requirements, security and privacy function as a result of the free market economy. Basically, if somebody puts a stack of hats on a pole and surrounds that with barbed wire and sharks, then places a sign in front saying "free hat", you download the hat at your own risk... later jb

That's it ! Thanks JB, may be I've been to lazy.

Hi ronk ! sorry, but your online connection is not as simple as your telephone! You have to adjust the security options of your browser to be sure that your configuration remains unmanipulated. I've have tested the link and nothing 'criminal' happened. May be that you need a little more practice with your browser settings. Please have a look on JB's remarks. He's quite rhight: Nobody cares about you when you are entering a unknown homesite. Internet has never been a 'safe' place. It has been anachistic from the mere beginning and you have to be aware that some hosting sites will try to manipulate your system. That's commom use, especially when free webspace is offered.

Well, in fact I still dont get it...Im really sorry, but I dont. Ive just returned from the Dragonayerie-site...nothing happend...no pop ups, no taking over my puter, no nothing...just another Poser site...easy to navigate, nice layout etc...now dont tell me we are talking about the thumb nail or should I say the way the girl poses on the thumb.....

Hmm... I clicked on the link too, went to see the site and had no problems whatsoever...?

Here either and I have my browser settings AND my firewall setting on high. Custom settings on the browser to accept cookies of course. ;)

This is amazing! As I read this thread I noticed I was down to number 35. I thought to myself, "This far and nothing negative from ronknights or XXXXXX. What is going on here?" Then a few lines further and back to normal. Some things never change. But where is XXXXXX? I also went to the link. No popups or problems. Even downloaded New EVE3 while there. And finally, Wusamah, you are so handsome and beautiful... Thank you so much for the wonderful things. When I came upon that thread last night I just had to leave renderosity. Some are so ungrateful. Why?

Attached Link: http://www.download.com

I went back again. Last time I didn't even think to click on the pictures. I clicked on the links below the pictures and everything downloaded just fine. I tried to click a picture and the file wasn't found, but I didn't get the 3 windows. I am using IE 6.0 and scripting is on. I do use POPUP KILLER, but it doesn't indicate it is stopping them. Pretty strange.

After clicking on the picture only one other window opened up and it is the same as the one in the main frame.

Sorry you got "Jerked" around but I got to tell you, that white reflect map that came with your LaSeduzione item applied at 30% reflect to the skin makes for an awesome look! (Oh, there is a bit of red/text stuff or something in the reflect map that needs to get cleaned up if you use it this way, but it does work nicely. Just thought I would pass the thought on.)

Mega thanks again for sharing your stuff while you did.

Ron! No one is accusing you of Lying or being Nuts! Take a Deep breath! :-) From personal experience, so this is subjective! I've always had probs with IE... Every site that caused me similar probs with IE, worked fine with netscape! Only a very few would not show up at all in Netscape. But with version 6.2.1 everything is Dandy!! I know that some sites require "Java Console" enabled. And i know some folks will say that this can be a "Security" NoNo! Never had a virus since we've been on the Net... And using the Netcape Email since day one has avoided getting the .vbs ones! We also do a "Cookie" Cleanup on a regular basis! Really wish i could give you a Magic formula... It's all trial & error! Cause, no system is the same. Later! Anik

*My experience is this.

1.) I don't follow all the drama of all the freebies.*

So then you have no evidence? You just have this belief of freestuff giving abusers in your mind that has come to be real for you because you have repeated it often enough?

2.) I don't keep track of names.

So then you have no evidence? You just have this belief of freestuff giving abusers in your mind that has come to be real for you because you have repeated it often enough?

3.) Every day, at least once a day, or twice or more, someone comes off saying how ungrateful and abusive the receivers of their GIFTS are.

WHERE has this happened BEFORE that freestuff giver was abused? Give an example of someone being that way BEFORE they were abused? All the complaints we have thus far seen are freestuff givers who are only DEFENDING themselves and voicing hurt feelings AFTER they were abused by people taking their freestuff items.

*4.) I read stuff like
"Well if they don't want to look at Flash animations, tough! It's Free!"

"If they don't want to look at nudes, then they don't need to get my freebies."*

This is a fact. When you take something offered, you get the whole parcel as is. You cannot dictate HOW it is offered. "This is me, this is my item which I wish to share with you." What do you find wrong with that???

*"I don't respect anyone who objects to nudes."

"You can kiss my ass."*

If you can not give evidence of this attitude, those are words from YOUR OWN MIND. If that is in fact what you READ when people upload their free items, then IT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

*Someone bakes a cake, and then leaves it on a table at work.

She hangs around waiting for people to run over, cut the cake, and gush loudly over her generosity.*

Again, that is something YOU are reading into it. It is not proof against others here, it is proof of how YOU YOURSELF think.

*People sit down, eat the cake, and maybe no one even asks who made the cake.

The baker feels slighted and offended because no one thanked her.*

Again, that is something YOU are reading into it. It is not proof against others here, it is proof of how YOU YOURSELF think.

*Or if they know who baked the cake, they say "thanks," and she is offended because they didn't say anything more. Maybe she needed to hear that she's a first class baker.

Maybe the baker expected that people would do some ritual before they started eating the cake. Maybe they were supposed to ask permission first. Maybe she wanted them to read a poem she wrote. Who knows?

She gets offended because they merely sat down to eat the cake, and mumbled thank you between bites.

The baker is offended, and will never share another cake again.*

Again, that is something YOU are reading into it. It is not proof against others here, it is proof of how YOU YOURSELF think.

*That is the attitude that I often see from SOME free stuff contributors

Again, I have said all along that people who receive free stuff should not abuse the givers.*

You have given NO PROOF of this abuse.

Reply to that and stop evading the FACTS. Give FACTS, not opinion, and you will regain credibility.

I am talking about the attitude I see in this thread.

As we SAID, this "attitude" came to be AFTER these freestuff givers were abused. These people were good and happy before someone came along and said they were very bad for trying to share their free stuff in their bandwidth limited way. shock horror gasp

*And here is the link to the freebie item which threatens to take over my computer.

Jemma has the site. It's named DRAGONAYERIE

It doesn't matter if it didn't happen to you.

The invasive maneuvers still exist.

Those kind of popups are not the practice of a reputable web site host.

Those are the kind of popups used by warez people and crooks.*

This does NOT give an example of someone ABUSING users. Again, it is someone hampered by hosting limitations. She didn't come at you and abuse you. You didn't experience those popups until after you decided to take her freestuff offerings. And your assumption that she is among "warez people and crooks" is the height of pressumption.

Someone is offering their freestuff and you accuse them of being a warez kid and a crook! I am gobsmacked!

And yet, there is still no evidence of abuse by freestuff givers BEFORE they were themselves abused.

I didn't really care to get back to this. I know for a fact it would take a huge deal of time and effort to get your to rethink about stuff you have set in your mind. I remember how you came in the first time dictating how people should behave in the forums, which transferred to a thread in c&d where a big number of people finally got you to change your mind and you settled down and bent over backwards to show how well you could get down with them all. I did not participate in those threads but I read them.

And knowing a mind made up when I see one, I wish to leave it at this UNLESS YOU CAN GIVE PROOF.

You don't seem like a bad guy.. but it appears that instead of rejoicing over the talent of Wusamah, you are jealous of the gratitude and compassion many of us feel for him? You make long accusations, which you won't substantiate, which are puncuated by a vaccuous disclaimer; "I don't support the abuse of free stuff makers" and you think this absolves you from taking responsibility for your accusations. You 'tee hee' at all calls for you to back up your wild accusations but go into detail about some isolated site that might be a problem.. but has nothing to do with the artist that you insult here. You are happy to do that because at least now the attention is on you, instead of praise or sympathy going to someone else. Carry on.

Hey man, I'd like to thank you for your free items although I did miss the LaSeduzione. Guess I wasnt clever enough. Ah well, keep up the good work.

Anyone who surfs with IE deserves to catch something nasty - that thing has more backdoors than Grand Central station. I'm beggining to think that the freestuff makers should stage a strike - I too got razzed while my freestuff was up. My fave negative comment complained that my character Shaun was poorly made and said that they wouldn't download anymore of my stuff. ??? and I care why? I also got grief about the naming of some of my Shades of Mike textures (apparantly the name Yakuza offended someone - what would you call an asian male texture with a huge red dragon tattoo?) I'm expecting to get grumbles when I release my first for sale character - and more b*tching when I start releasing 24 pairs of Adventurers outfits textures that I had originally started for freestuff. I'm not making any more freestuff until I've made back the $1000 bill for bandwith from jan. And people can just cope. I feel your pain - but there will always be someone who grouches about free stuff. Go figure. Lyrra "will texture for bandwidth" Madril

Lyrra I downloaded your Shades of Mike textures some time back, but didn't extract them until recently after I upgraded my computer. What a great selection! I honestly haven't used more than a couple, but I was tickled at the wide & whimsical variety of them! A belated thank you! I'll look forward to seeing your marketPlace entries.

Don't you hate it when people disrupt a thread to no end and then, when they've proven beyond all doubt that they're just looking for attention, they delete all their messages?

Ohhhh....thats why I thought that something was lacking when I came here this morning.....

The very truth of the matter is that you've proven that you don't care to have an open discussion. You ignore the facts before you and persist in your attitude, yet deny it at the same time. You come up against someone with a valid point who resists your attitude, then you create rules and expectations you are unwilling to follow yourself. There is nothing to be accomplished under these conditions. Except your misguided righteous indignation. Now go back to flattering yourselves, and feeling oh so much more important than those who receive your gifts. Ron

Oh man... Ron, you really do seem to see your own faults in others! You're accusing the others of the very same things you've been doing yourself all along. Are you really too blind to see that?

I might ask you the same question. You have chosen to ignore every positive thing I've said or done, and focus on what you don't want to hear. You have chosen to hold me to rules you don't practice yourself.

Wow Eowyn I was also amazed at how his 'summary' was such an accurate depiction of his own behavior! The last line, especially, illustrates how jealousy has been the motivating factor in this 'train wreck'. I'll 'quote' it here, since it's liable to disappear. "The very truth of the matter is that you've proven that you don't care to have an open discussion. You ignore the facts before you and persist in your attitude, yet deny it at the same time. You come up against someone with a valid point who resists your attitude, then you create rules and expectations you are unwilling to follow yourself. There is nothing to be accomplished under these conditions. Except your misguided righteous indignation. Now go back to flattering yourselves, and feeling oh so much more important than those who receive your gifts. Ron "

Hey Ron Why delete your messages at Wusamah's "free download" thread. Really ruin your credibility and reputation by running away like that. If the major public see that your opinions are wrong accept it. In your last post you wrote "you've proven that you don't care to have an open discussion", yet you deleted your messages? what kind of a hypocrite is that?

My opinions are not wrong. Let me try to illustrate in plain English, and keep this short. 1.) I create Free Stuff. I give of my time and energy for free. 2.) I ask nothing in return, nor do I expect people to pay a price, jump through hoops, etc. 3.) I've publicly stated my gratitude to people who provide Free Stuff. 4.) I've objected to people who practice abuse. That goes for givers and receivers. It is a TWO way street folks. 5.) I've objected to the bad attitude of my Free Stuff providers. I've quoted relevant pieces to illustrate my point. 6.) I've objected when people ask for evidence of my claims when they have failed to provide a shred of evidence in their own behalf. 7.) I might add that some people object to name calling. I have tried harder to avoid anything that people can call name calling. However, this quote is surely a violation: "what kind of a hypocrite is that?" 8.) I stand behind what I've said, and will continue to do so. 9.) I can recognize when people have no desire to have a two-way dialogue, but would rather whine, groan, bolster each other's egos. I can choose to walk away from that stuff. 10.) Many others have voiced opinions similar to and supporting my own. I also know many people don't bother because of the mob mentality they encounter. You don't scare me. You don't have what it takes. So back off. Ron

What we have here is our old friend: Miscommunication. Ron was just expressing about how some people use freebies for their own personal gain. I'm sure it wasn't directed to reflect poorly on wusamah. It was just brought up at the wrong time. The secret to happyness is timing. ;-) Wusamah has vented his frustration. We thanked him and apologised for the complainers. Now it's time to go back to Posing. .