I know people must be getting sick of so many poser5 questions, but here we go with another one. How anatomically correct are the new figures going to be? are all the bits going to be there or are we going to have more barbie doll genitals? No I'm not perverted, oh alright maybe just a little :) Rob

P5 adult figures? Anatomically correct? 100% correct. With photo-based textures from RDNA. Barbie need not apply.

Ahh, now I've been studying gynaecology since I was about 13. I think you need to have a closer look at Eve...

I should have said the standard adult figures in poser5 compared to the standard adult figures in poser4 :) thanks for the answer steve :) saxon you naughty boy, 13? ;) Rob

All I can say is, it's about damn time. And thank you, CL, for going with RDNA this time around, and not the mega-prudes at DAZ.

I'm personally like those "mega-prudes" - I think the digital galleries are populated with too many "naked vicky with a sword" clone pictures, but RDNA textures will be awesome, especially stock in P5! Hurry ye! ben

Could we please keep this thread smutty... ;o)

Would collision detection prevent male poke thru? Or will there still be a genitals off option? And - will it affect female anatomy as well? (So many questions....)

There's a thought, with the new collision detection and the new dynamic cloth, just how pleased to see us will the Poser guy be?!?!...

Hi Mosca, I wouldn't consider my buds at DAZ as mega-prudes, they just have a different belief set. It doesn't take long for the community to ahhh, emmmm, "fill the gaps". We're in a different position (all this sounds like some kinda pun, doesn't it) and can excercise some different choices. There will be a "gentials off" option for both adult figures. Collision detection would prevent interpenetrations of two objects or body part actors, if that mode is on, if toggled off interpenetration will occur. Collision detection doesn't force mesh deformation though. I think that's what you hinting at...

Thank you so much for keeping the genitals off feature. Not that I'm against the anatomy that God designed, its just it is really a useful feature.

"Collision detection doesn't force mesh deformation" Wouldn't the "cloth" mesh be deformed by whatever it was draped over? Been hoping the colision detection could keep objects from poking through, which could work miracles on how joints bend....

jchimin, Yes, cloth will deform over anything that it has been told to collide against, but collision detection is a global setting that will effect how two objects in a secne either penetrate or not. For example, you'll be able to place a telephone on a table, and have it rest precisely on the surface of the table using collision detection globally in the scene. Then you could drape both the phone and the table with a cloth object that would deform around both objects. That deformation would happen regardless of whether collsion detection is on or off globally in the scene. The cloth will be told which objects to collide against, that way you can chose the barest minimum of objects to include in the cloth dynamics processing. Collision detection won't help bad joints. Good joint parms and good polygon placement, and possibly JCMs are the only real way to address that issue. Collision detection will help when you are dressing a Poser scene with props and you want to place objects on top of each other, or beside each other. It may also be helpful with posing, such as showing when a thumb is penetrating a hip.

Is P5 will be compatible with vue ? or should we expect some surprise ? I ask cause i plan to buy vue soon. Laurent, Paris

So the dance of the seven veils is a practical possibility (in a temple of course), can't wait...

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Now here's a few questions about CD and DynCloth. With DynCloth, if you select it to collide with a figure, can you specify which parts of the figures will it collide with. Example: A bed with bedrails, can you specify just to collide/flow over the mattress and ignore the bedrails? So can you specify the materials or parts to ignore in that collision? This would be super useful with some projects I'm doing, and any insight would be exciting :) Tom

tom, You'll be able to select any individual actor (leg, finger, eyeball, etc) of a figure or individual object (mattress but not bedframe- yes) in a scene to be collided against. I like hearing that P5 functionality might be "super useful"

Steve, Thanks for the answer, now I can give out a sigh of relief while jumping for joy. That issue has caused so many head aches in some medical projects. So where can I preorder? ;) Tom

OK, good. ::Chew through the duct tape a bit:: Rob, I got a peek at the new female a couple weeks back. Standing there she shows just what we females show when we get out of the shower and dry off in front of a mirror. Nothing to be ashamed of, but everything we come with naturally. The mesh reveals that we are indeed complete. (Hooray!, hooray!!, hooray!!!) But that was a quick detour on our way to growing hair all over the place. ;) Carolly

Carolly, Check out the website on Tuesday to see what we're talking about; I'd say after that point in time, most of the duct tape could be removed. Your hugging buddy, Kupa

I'm greatly relieved to know that we're not going to be saddled with a Vicky, or God Forbid, a Stephanie derivative from DAZ. I hope the new Posette has some resemblance to the familiar one.

Just dont render any closeups of the "old" posette under that new firely raytracer of poser5 unless you are prepared for major post work to cover up the flaws in her geometry that wiil be made painfully obvious by a real render engine ;-)

Wow, I really want to add my thanks to Steve (kupa) for taking the time to answer questions at this time. I'd been avoiding many Poser 5 threads recently because I thought they were all speculation. kupa (Steve), please pardon a befuddled mind, and help me understand all the stuff you said above about men, their sexual organs, collision detection, etc. For instance, can Mike now have his genitals "turned on," and keep them in his pants? Or will that social skill only apply to the new P5-based figures? By the way I'm not surprised to see you've been working with runtime dna. I bet you've been working with other "big name" Poser artists as well. I just can't wait to see the list of respected people from our community. (In addition to you, Steve, and the others we already know.)

Forgive me if this has been asked before but all the P5 threads are pretty involved and I can't remember seeing it... will Vicky clothes fit the new P5 figures?
And will we see the upgrade prices Tuesday? Release date?
I need to know when to sell the husbands golf clubs. ;)

Crisjon, Mike is from DAZ, not from Curious Labs. With conforming clothes in P5, you would still need to turn off gentialia to keep them from popping through pants. With a cloth prop that is dynamic, it would drape around the genitalia. That would create a bulge around his package. Kendra, the P5 female doesn't match Vicki's proportions, so Vicki's conforming clothes won't fit. But the dynamic clothes in Poser 5 in most cases should fit Vicki. Are they good clubs? Maybe we could work out a trade. ;-) Kupa

Crisjon, above message was misinterpreting your Mike comment, sorry bout that. Red Bull's wearing off. ;-)

Kupa, no worries. I all too often get DAZ and Curious Labs mixed up. I mean both companies are an integral part of the Poser experience. So our Poser males will still need to lose their genitals in order to keep them from popping out of their pants. I'd always figured that makes men look less "real." After all doesn't a man usually have some sort of "evidence" of the "package" that is under the pants? oooopps

"Kendra, the P5 female doesn't match Vicki's proportions, so Vicki's conforming clothes won't fit. But the dynamic clothes in Poser 5 in most cases should fit Vicki."

Thanks for the info. :)

"Are they good clubs? Maybe we could work out a trade. ;-)"

Tempting. Very tempting ;)

Kupa, Hugging buddy? As soon as I can wriggle free of this duct tape! Do you realize how hard it is to eat brownies through duct tape? Five colors and only one flavor: bleah. All kidding aside, the more we know, the more we want to ask about. There is going to be a deluge of questions, so I hope that Tori has everything she needs... including the whip and chair to hold us off if we get too eager. Carolly

Carolly, Whips and chairs?... What if that encourages some of us around here? ;) Tom

Carolly I wasn't being prudish :) I just thought places like renderosity may have to rethink their rules about nudity a little especially with realistic genitals being put on display. Hugging Buddys? is there something we should know? ;) anyay I reckon you guys/girls at CL & RDNA deserve a great big hug for what you've done with poser. Rob

Rob, The only difference is that instead of using Eve, or Traveler's morphs, or jumping through hoops to get replacement hip sections to take the same texture map alignments an artist who needed a full female figure will simply pose the standard female. If realistic anatomy was important before, it will continue to be so, it is just less of a hurdle and less discriminating. :: Why should the art in the galleries be any different? I would hope for more variety, but whether it is a nude male or a nude female, any suggestive thoughts are in the mind of the beholder. Are you familiar with the statue called "Venus of the Beautiful Buttocks"? Basically, she's lifted her robes to gaze at her reflection from behind and below. The look on her face is one of satisfaction, but it is a charming one, not arrogant at all. Should something like that be classed as pornography when there is nothing titillating about it? She could be any mature woman happy that she is keeping an attractive figure... and that simple pleasure is the source of her appeal, rather than lustful thoughts. We might be seeing a few more images in the classical mode of women washing their feet or dressing (especially with the new cloth)... and if this reveals a bit more of her anatomy than the tippty-toe-in-the-temple scene, I'm not going to complain. I'm not prudish. In a long history of art classes, I've had 3 1/2 years of life drawing: dancers, pregnant women, old men, the works, everybody except children. The human body is pretty interesting, and pretty nifty for what it does. Science has yet to develop a synthetic "skin" which works half so well. My taboos concern violence. You guys go blech at the idea of underarm hair, whereas I flinch from the thought of exit wounds. At least hair is natural. So is what women have and what men have. I'm just glad that we finally have equal treatment. :) Carolly

Tom, For a moment there, I thought of the first Addams Family movie. :)

underarm hair is good too in a virtual sense anyway ;) I agree the human body is amazing & that's why I think it's important for poser to have realistic body parts included. Not for any perverted reason, just that it will make them more believable in the renders. I've not seen the statue you mentioned so I'll go & see if I can find a pic of it, I wouldn't class it as pornography though, but there will always be at least one person who does. Rob

Carolly thanks for letting me know about that statue it's really beautiful & definitely not pornographic. Rob

'Told you we weren't so far apart Carolly...

With all this talk about duct tape perhaps someone should wip up a Red Green character with P5. :-) ttfn John

OOOH, maybe with Poser 5, men can have Hairy Balls?!

Ron, Any time you want hairy balls on Marvin or Marlin, all you have to do is use the coconut prop from free stuff. (Cooler did it and it is over at 3dcommune.) Place one on each side. Scale it as large as you need, but do scale both sides the same size lest they look strange. TffnJohn, I've bookmarked that duct tape costume site because of all the great ideas. The plaid done with red and green woven through the silver could have been nicer, but they were probably dealing with the stuff sticking to them as well as itself. Don't worry, the duct tape will be handsomely commemorated! Carolly

My mistake! I've just been informed that the coconut is by SteveShanks and was a PoserWorld freebie. Apologies are tendered to both Cooler and Steve. Rob, I'm glad that you appreciate the statue. Saxon, You are right, we aren't that far apart. I suspect that on those things which matter deeply we are pretty close in mind. Carolly

I never could figure out what a coconut has to do with hairy balls. I'd never wear a coconut on my crotch. I asked about that when the coconut was introduced and got no answer. So I figured it was a joke and never used the coconut for anything. Oh, my Marlin characters will never go nude. They were very clear on that subject. But then I have many other Poser characters, obviously.