There are several threads which are moved from the Poser Forum into the OT Forum. All those threads are about Poser and possible alternative programs.

I fail to see the reason why those threads are removed from the Poser Forum. I'm very sure that many members of the Poser community are interested in other posing programs.

Maybe the next thread about this theme can remain in the Poser Forum, then nobody would need to start a new one.

Bookmarked.

We try to keep the software forums about learning the software. When a thread is about something other than learning, we move it. Any member can freely go to the OT and other forums to read threads as well. Also, the Poser forum gets so many posts, many threads get lost within a few hours.

Ummm..... and the other non-learning posts stayed because... ?

We left them there just for you. :)

Figured as much. On both the "reasons" and the responses. ;] There's just GOT to be a pony around here someplace.

Is THAT what I stepped in? I do wish people would house train their pet equus caballus

Hey...I know...maybe if you start it in OT they will move it to the poser forum!! Yeah baby!! ;-)

Spike > We try to keep the software forums about learning the software. When a thread is about something other than learning, we move it.

Err, huh?
Since when is the Poser forum only for learning posts? There are posts about motion capture software, poser utilities, freestuff announcements, vendor bashing and plain silly posts. The moved posts have at least the same right to be in the Poser forum then fifty percent of the other posts.
I see no reason to move those posts other then eager complaisance with CuriousLabs. If that is not the sole reason to move those posts, then I really want to know it. Maybe I can learn something.

I told you it's all a matter of how many commas the thread contains, but nobody ever listens to me...

Are you sure it's commas? I was under the impression it was semicolons. Wow, ya learn something new every day...

Dots. It's definitely dots. Just ask Pete. But I think it has more to do with the fact that there are so many messages that the moderators can't read them all (they do have other lives, afterall) and maybe until someone on the list brings a thread to their attention, they don't notice a thread has gone off track. That's taking a mighty high road, which won't be appreciated, but that could be part of it (not the whole...I have no idea what politics are involved here). I realize that doesn't make anyone happy, but, when a thread is moved or locked, it may very well be a non-moderator that caused its journey or caused the thread to be shut down. I asked a moderator and that's what they told me. I'm not into conspiracy theories so I'm taking them at their word. Of course I could just be kissing up to Spike because I'm hoping he looks like James Marsters. :)

dialyn > ...and maybe until someone on the list brings a thread to their attention... Yep, somebody brings every thread about a Poser competitor to their attention and then they move it every time.

I was actually referencing non-Poser and non-competitor threads that have shown up in the forum and stayed there...the place a dot on the map thread, for example, which is non-controversial and non-Poser related, as far as I can tell. It's getting quite long and so far hasn't been moved to the OT forum, unless it was recently. I knew a response running counter to the conspiracy theory wouldn't be popular, but then I was only suggesting an alternative line of thought, not the answer.

Conspiracy is a very big word.

But I'm not sure about the reasoning behind the thread movement. That's why I'm asking.

Understood. I find some of the thread moves mysterious myself, but then I'm not in the inner circle of making decisions. Heck, I'm not even on the outer circle. I'm still trying to figure out the dot on the map thread is so darn popular. Guess it would help if I actually read the thread.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, OT, here we come! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

............coming soon.......yup..........heard a rumor that metacreations is on a fast comeback.........hoooey! .................. See.....that's all you need........lots'a dots and some versatile "imagination" ;-)

I feel it's safe to say that having CL as a site sponsor is a good thing in the eyes of the Renderosity PTB. I think it's equally safe to say that anything anti-CL, or that which competes, will be moved from any place of prominence such as the Poser Forum. It's simple business, really, like you won't see a Burger King poster hanging in a McDonald's. Can't say I blame them any, but it's kinda strange the way things are handled around here like there's some big secret that this is all a business venture.

No realy, we moved it just so IB would be happy.

MikeJ > I think it's equally safe to say that anything anti-CL, or that which competes, will be moved from any place of prominence such as the Poser Forum.

Funny thing, that is not true. There are still lots of anti-CL threads in the Poser Forum. Maybe dialyn is right and the PTB did miss them. ;)

Spike > No realy, we moved it just so IB would be happy.

Well, I'm not IB and not happy either.

We don't care if a post or thread is Anti-CL, if it has nothing to do with Poser learning, and we spot it, we will move it as needed.

Err...

Sometimes I just search some words on goggle. Sometimes I find very astounding things.

Sometimes I use the word sometimes some times too often.

Instant breakfast? Incredible blimp? Inspirational breasts? Informal bullshit? Insane banners? Oh...I know...secret code between you and MadYuri...oh, hohoho!!....snicker...(I smell hidden meanings...)...

It's a community, a family, it's a big group hug. Now let's all hold hands and sing about Coca-Cola.

It's a Pepsi Generation...get it right! (any wonder folks get all huffy with any competition...most of us are baby boomers and been through this before...remember?)...oh...so many times...but it all works out ya know...the more...the less chance of monopoly and cockyism...the more chance of product effeciency...and maybe taste tests? (next poser version)....and also the more likely we WILL have a community, a family, a big group hug......hey!...it's a poser generation!!

Pete, you've been all over this site posting all sorts of wild rants. But goddamnit, you've rankled the living shit out of ME this time. THERE'S NO SUCH GODDAMNED WORD AS "COCKYISM", PETER! "we WILL have a community, a family, a big group hug..." I don't care if Poser 6 is the greatest software since Moses released "Commandments 10", you don't have the chance of a paper dog chasing an asbestos cat through Hell of EVER getting ol' Doc Legume in a group hug with some of the whackjobs around here.

::: Hugs Legume and runs for the hills ::: hehe... it was a runby hugging...

You should know by now I make up my own words as I go along Legume....just like you change the face, (and color), of poserdom forever and hey...'whackjobs'??....your just as bad as me....LOL!!

Only "some" of the whackjobs, Legume?

Well, x2000, some of the female whackjobs might still be huggable...I'll have to go through the mebers gallery and weed out the ugly ones... (The eyes of a hundred angry forum gals lock on Legume as he slips into his old army helmet and flak jacket and prepares to dive into the foxhole)

Weed out nothing.

"No realy, we moved it just so IB would be happy. " - Spike. You wanna make me happy, set me up with a tall curvacious brunette. Prefferably female. If you're trying to do it by moving threads, I have other suggestions for yas. ;] Heh heh... I did read the "We don't care if a post or thread is Anti-CL, if it has nothing to do with Poser learning, and we spot it, we will move it as needed.", and I still think with all that manure, there's got to be a pony around here someplace. ;]

I'm going to glue feathers onto myself, sit on a perch and pretend I'm a parrot. I agree with Ironbear... again. (as well as several other people) There's a plethora (cool word huh?) of posts in the Poser forum that have got squat to do with "Poser learning" absolutely bugger all to do with learning of any kind least of all Poser. They aren't moved. Hey, there's even some in there that have nothing to do with Poser even. Yet they stayed. So, Spike, a word of advice you won't heed and will probably ignore anyway. Cut the bullshit will you? Or find a different tune to play because you're looking pretty dippy up there with those comments. Alternatively you COULD go through poser forum and remove ALL the NON LEARNING threads. Should make the place much easier to navigate. After all, with most of the non-learning threads gone, the place will be virtually empty. Non learning my ass. Selective deletion and transfer is what it is. "Oh, don't like that, dump it in OT". Just like it used to be a while back when it was "Don't like that, dump it in C&D" Sheesh.

Questor,

There's not enough time in a day to move all the crap I'd like to.

I have to break it down to which threads have the biggest moron-factor going on and boot those.

You seem to have alot of free time, start compiling a list of OT threads and maybe I'll get to it some day.

-JH.

Jeff, I can understand that YOU don't have enough time to move all the "crap" you'd like to. Strange though it may seem I'm not picking on you. I was very much under the impression that was why there was more than one mod in the forum. Perhaps there should be a standard written out for all moderators to follow so that one person doesn't have to take the heat and you won't be left on your own to decide what's relevant and what isn't. You have my sympathy Jeff, it's not an easy job you do, but there's a double standard here and while it may not be of your making, the excuses from certain individuals are getting thin. Sorry old chap, like I said, not picking on you as an individual but on the event as a whole. :) I have a lot of free time yes. I can't work, that's why. But, sorry, I'm not going to do your or the other Poser Forum moderator's jobs for you, you guys get paid to be there, I'm doing this out of my own expenses. Thanks for the offer though, but it's not my responsibility. Is it?

Hehehehehehe. There's nothing on earth more hated than a Poser Forum moderator. I guess I quit just at the right time. ;-) I feel really bad for you Jeff. You know why I left and all. But I do feel guilty for leaving you behind to handle this mess. When I left. Things were fairly calm. And I wasn't really needed anyway. ScottA

Well... I did know that it was quite pointless to ask this question. So I can only blame myself for the answers I got. :P Lets approach this from another angle. Speaking of improvements, there are three other things I'd like to have.

"We try to keep the software forums about learning the software. When a thread is about something other than learning, we move it. " That's a joke right? Because it surely isn't even close to being the truth. Why not just give an honest answer about this - it would be a refreshing change from the dogma usually handed out. Also could you explain the criteria for "biggest moron-factor"? as often times some of the commentary and actions from the moderators seem to qualify as well. This would also assist those "forum snitches" who scream to the mods about threads in knowing exactly which ones they should complain about. "There's nothing on earth more hated than a Poser Forum moderator." That's not true everywhere else Scott, and I would know having been a Poser moderator elsewhere, it seems to be more specific to poser moderators here. But according to the "explanation" since the moderator's don't have time to read all the posts and move those of a non-learning variety - if I spend a few minutes in the Poser Forum and send you a list of say 50 threads that are not related to learning the software, I will see them moved to OT as quickly as the previous ones were moved right??

What people think about the Poser Moderators doesn't concern me much.

What I care about is helping those that need it. Having to actually "moderate" is extra baggage I can do without most of the time.

If I never had to move another thread it would be great, but we all know how much respect is shown for those just trying to learn the software right?

It seems the freedom to post any sort of subject there is more important than doing the correct thing and posting to OT or News & Team Contact. That's selfish IMO.

-Jeff

Perhaps there needs to be a split in the forums...a Tips and Learning forum for people posting Poser information that can actually be used to help each other learn and grow in their abilities using the software; and a forum for other topics vaguely related to Poser but not particularly informational where the community chat and Poser complaints and "fun stuff" (like the dots on the map and alien cats) can be posted. Off topic as a title seems to be the problem...I do think threads having nothing to do with Poser should be moved more expediently, but I don't think the moderators can be aware of every single posting that is made and responsible community members who are aware of a thread drift should be letting the moderators know (and I don't think helping keep forums on track is "snitching"...that's just ridiculous).

"It seems the freedom to post any sort of subject there is more important than doing the correct thing and posting to OT or News & Team Contact. That's selfish IMO." Nothing anywhere states that the Poser Forum (or any software forum) here is specifically aimed towards the learning process and not discussions regarding Poser itself. Nor are we talking about posting "any topic" there -0 but moving a topic that was in regards to Poser. Considering that you will posts that are non-learning related if pointed out "when you get to it" show that there is a definite priority in regards to moving this threads. I wonder how many of the non-learning threads in the Poser forum have actually been posted to by moderators?? To move posts that do discuss Poser to the OT forum while leaving ones regarding dot maps and other such non-learning threads shows serious biasness IMO

"(and I don't think helping keep forums on track is "snitching"...that's just ridiculous)." It was meant as a tongue in cheek joke since the moderators want others to tell them about the posts. If moving posts is important it should be done fairly by the moderators who get paid to do it.

JeffH > It seems the freedom to post any sort of subject there is more important than doing the correct thing and posting to OT or News & Team Contact. That's selfish IMO.

It's ok if threads which have no relation to Poser are moved into the OT Forum. There are lots of threads in the Poser Forum which shouldn't be there.

But the three moved thread do concern Poser and its users. If there are alternatives to Poser most Poser users want to know about them. Do you want to know why? Because Poser is just a tool, and there is always the possibility that there is a better tool. People use Poser because they want to do art or illustrations or web graphics. Poser is just the means to that end. You don't do those people a favour if you shield them from Poser alternatives.

Let's speculate...
DAZ releases a 3D animation and rendering system which can substitute Poser... This program can use or import Poser models... Will any mention of this program in the Poser Forum moved to OT?

BTW is being selfish against the TOS now? I better go read it again.

Having to actually "moderate" is extra baggage I can do without most of the time. This is going to sound like a stupid question but it has to be asked. Why are you a moderator then? You can "help" people quite easily without the "extra baggage" as you put it. Surely if it's such a strain for you it would be better if you just helped and gave up being a moderator. Just a suggestion. ***It seems the freedom to post any sort of subject there is more important than doing the correct thing *** You're getting quite liberal with your statements here - like calling everyone in the Daz thread a moron, but I'm sure you have a reason for it. Perhaps to some yes it is more important to post what they want in the Poser forum to talk with their online buddies - same as it was when C&D existed and most people avoided that like the plague. But not to everybody. I don't see how a discussion about a company that produced the Poser 4 people and a hell of a lot of content for poser and their imminent future is OFF TOPIC for POSER - they are STILL a major contributor of Poser content. The only thing that has changed is that they are allegedly to become direct competitors with the partnerer company of this site. Yet, stamps, dots, cats, dogs, people's bowel movements are not off topic? Even though they're clearly titled and obviously off-topic. So you're busy. So you're really really bored with things you don't like. So it's all just too much extra baggage. OK, do the decent thing, do yourself a favour and do what you do best. Help people. Leave the moderating to people who don't see being moderator as "extra baggage they can do without" Might want to alter the TOS as well. To clearly state that ALL software forums are for LEARNING ONLY discussions and everything else is to go into OT. Might help clear up things a bit don't you think?

Since reporting non-learning threads is a request of the moderators here's a partial list: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=925350 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=924868 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=925412 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=924849 (about the platinum club - not learning) http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=925299 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=925069 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=923771 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=923718 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=921929 Not to mention the innumerable "where can I find ...." posts which do not deal with learning. This is in the first 29 posts. Now that you have a list I would expect these posts to be moved before they are old news and that moving them will receive the same priority that a Poser Post complaining about CL would be moved.

"This is going to sound like a stupid question" Okay, I won't address it then. -J. Back to work...

Franky I don't think it is stupid - you just said you don't want to have to actually moderate the forums - but yet you seem to be happy to get paid to do so. Seems odd....

How about adding a Flag (or sorts) that forum members could check off when reading threads that would state that the post is OT (or whatever) for mod intervention? This should be fairly easy to do (add one checkbox) and R'osity could be absolved of the responsibility of moving the thread if a certain threshhold (say, 10% of current members or 20+ readers) voted to move the thread. In this technological age, I am quite surprised that the technology is not use to its utmost efficiency. Things always seem to revert to "lower tech" alternatives when simplistic changes could be made that would resolve the issue quite nicely.

Okay, I won't address it then* Par for the course and about what I expected from you.