Found out that some merchants got a sort-of apology from Tim as a flier in their checks, while others did not. Someone want to fill the rest of us in on this, or are present and former merchants who are not part of the top-seller list beneath notice thse days? /P

hmm interesting development definately..

Looks that way: Cribbed from the Poser Pro's re-post: Mail out form letter apology wrote: "...We apologize if our method of implementing this new policy caused you any concern, uncertainity or discomfort. It is our hope that we've established enough credibility in our past dealings with you, to be given an opportunity to continue serving you and helping you succeed. We understand that your success IS our success. Thanks, The Renderosity Admin Team" And it has that lovely personal touch that only a form letter gives, too. ;]

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" or are present and former merchants who are not part of the top-seller list beneath notice thse days?" Not taking anything away from the other merchants/vendors but you may have something there

Well, as my other username does not work anymore,.... OMG, This is it,! It must be a conspiracy! Next thing ya know they will be sending out flowers and chocolates. We cant have that. People need to get a life here! You all bitch and complain about how bad they are and how they dont care, then they send out a sorry letter and now you bitch about that? Grow up! Dick

" You all bitch and complain about how bad they are and how they dont care, then they send out a sorry letter and now you bitch about that?" But not everyone got an apology letter. I think that's the point

Quote: "Snicker." Endquote.

It's a rather simple question - no conspiracy involved at all. Just a question. Not sure who or what "Richard Cranium" is a clone of, but it isn't really a gripe; just an observation. I was just curious as to what it said. I assume Micheleh, from your response, you're responding as an official member of Renderosity, and given your flippant answer, I am correct in my assesment that merchants are no longer to be treated equally? I find it odd that you would treat the majority of your merchants this way, to be honest. I guess that pulling my store, pitiful as it was, was the moral thing to do after all. I wish you and Renderosity luck in the coming months... you'll likely need it. /P

LOL! I haven't been official since August. I was merely paraphrasing the famous Ironbear response to ambigous situations. Seriously, though, I have been shaking my head at the tactless and rude way the "official" responses have been handled, and coming from the retired queen of foot in mouth, that's going some. I don't agree at all with the new rule, or the way it has been handled. My now sideline opinion. No offense to you personally, Penguinisto.

LOL - no prob; I had that coming... I completely forgot you jumped the ship awhile back. No offense taken, espcially since it was my fault in the first palce. OTOH, I do wonder where the PTB are on this... even the usually vociferous tutone1234 is nowhere to be seen. I was kind of hoping for some sort of answer on this one, if nothing else the transcript of the letter that was sent. /P

Nah. Micheleh's not a "Them" any more. Ummm.... does that make her an "Us", and "Undecided", or a "One of the people who no longer GAF"? ;]

Penguinisto, you agree that we would not send a check to you this month since the amount was low, so a letter wasn't sent to you. Some merchants are paid by PayPal, so they haven't been an email letter yet, and then there were a few that had already left so I didn't see a point in sending them a letter since they weren't merchants anymore. If you were only curious, why not just email the question instead of trying to get people fired up again in the forum? I knew someone would "make" this into an issue, but I wasn't expecting it to be you.

Pengy nor I nor Stormrage nor others "made" it an issue, Jeny. It is an issue, and it was made one by Renderosity's handling of the situation, as any number of people have been saying all along. I'm sorry that you're not seeing that. I'm not sorry that someone posted their letter elsewhere to be quoted, not that Penguinisto brought the subject up here.

"I knew someone would "make" this into an issue, " hmm it was going to be an issue since it wasn't sent out to everyone even those who opted out.. you should have sent it to EVERYONE not just those who are left. Again this was handled wrong. it should have been a public and private apology. Not just to a few but to everyone who was involved with the store. ohh and just because it fell by the wayside doesn't mean it stopped being an issue. It's going to remain an issue..

Lurking some more. It's getting so hard to just lurk these days.....my wings keep getting jammed in the doors.

JenyK: "I knew someone would "make" this into an issue, but I wasn't expecting it to be you." Until the Renderosity admins understand that their merchants, their customers, their members are the ones bringing up these concerns, then they will continue to blame the "peepees" (the R'osity admin's private nickname for PoserPros folks) for all their troubles, rather than facing the truth that some of their own policies of late have not been that popular.

some please use the F word really loudly? I would except I don't even have any products.

"that some of their own policies of late have not been that popular. " It's the "of late" that has me rolling out of my chair laughing, Russ. You been taking diplomacy lessons? ;]

Heh, didn't mean to sound like my tie was too tight there Bear. ;) I've been mostly silent through this, and am just getting tired of being the blame for all that ills them. They are starting to sound like the little weakling being picked on by the school bully. The rhetoric is getting old and tiresome.

Shame on ya'll, you big ferocious site mosnter for beating up on the little geeky kid site. Tsk tsk.

F! Loud enough, Slynky? ;]

This is my favorite playground. My mom says she will make P&B sandwiches for anyone who comes over to play at my house.

Depends upon what the "P" & "B" stand for. :0P

"peepees" ?? First I've heard that :-) Don't mind me, I just walked by.

hey jeff.. you might want to change that statement.. and clean house too..

Change what statement? I've never heard that phrase before now, it did make me chuckle.

guess he doesn't know yet Storm :-(

"...We apologize if our method of implementing this new policy caused you any concern, uncertainity or discomfort" Damn, I guess us 'low man on the totem pole' members shouldnt have been concerned either... Momma always said "Two wrongs don't make a right"... :| Continues to grumble to herself as she moves to the next thread

Guess I don't know alot of things. It's not my business to gather gossip and the like.

Too much work, too little time in a day.

pam.. nope.. Russ got it down before Jeff could probably see it..

Yeah, I just saw that it has been removed, good job on that.

I deleted as even that little bit of data can be inflammatory, which was not the intention.

Pam...Definately.. We definately don't need more to add to the "flame war here" Unfortunantly.. Jeff.. needed to know statements like that can be caught..

though in truth, if the thread "leaked" is the worst in the admin forum ( which it stands to reason it would be for causing disruption ) then that actually speaks volumes for the admins here.

Okay I know a bit more now. No admin from here posted that screen shot.

Jeny: I realize that the timing may have been weird, and no, I wasn't expecting a letter myself. OTOH, why not just make it a public apology and be done with it? Why the secrecy? Was it at least posted on the Merchants' Private forum? Yes I could've e-mailed the question, but then, I'm not the only one asking here, and it is a question that affects all merchants. I'm honestly not out to raise the rabble, but since the mistakes Tim made were fairly public, why should the apology, such as it may have been, not also be made public? And yes, it was me who asked... I'm not above claiming ignorance, and I'm not above asking about it as a member of the community, out in the open. Ma'am, I would hope that folks would ask me questions about my actions openly and honestly, and by any means they feel comfortable with, and I would certainly do my level best to answer them in the same fashion. I'm a mere mod at Faeriewylde right now (and no I don't want to know the little nickname your compatriots may or may not have given us - I can already formulate them well enough now, thanks much.) Thorne, myself, Isaac, Angeilyn... we keep admin policies as open and as transparent as possible, and with no punches pulled - we just find nice ways of saying the news if it's bad. It prevents the usual raft of conspiracy theories. No, we don't have a store there, but then, even if we did, I doubt Thorne would get all secretive and political about how the site is run. Also notice that by asking out in the open, a straight answer in the open (or even just a reprint of what was posted in the letter) would prevent all these theories from flying amongst the black helicopter crowd. In all fairness, I'm actually presenting you with a golden opportunity to present things in the light of day. Jeff: No offense, but it sucks to be you if that screenie was what I think it was... :) Jaqui's right, though... if the worst that happens is that you make up names for competing sites, then it can't be all that evil in there (I'm curious, though - what name do y'all call DAZ?)

I don't make up names for anyone if that's what you're asking.

Dude, the part I wrote to you was in jest... and I meant "you" in the plural sense, so please don;t think I'm pointing fingers at anyone in particular here. Besides - I already know you and R'osity are in it with the Illuminati-Freemason-NWO trilateral comision anyways, but your secret is safe with me. :) /P

feck - typo: "commission" That does it - I'm going to bed.

"peepee", as I read it, is phonetic for PP; as in the PP vs RR posts in the Merchant Policy change threads. Of course, I did not see the alleged screenshot, so it could have literally been "peepee" too. ;0)

The "PeePee" nickname for PoserPros folks has been floating around for many months. I first heard about it in mid summer.

Ah, so it was literal? And here I was givig the "benefit of the doubt". I guess a level of "nebieness" does have its inherent disadvantages.

givig/giving* nebieness/newbieness* sheesh.. :injects caffeine IV and sets on high:

Hmm, so those of us, who put their money back into Renderosity via store credit and don't have enough for a check, can expect an email?

JenyK, just a quick question from an observer: How could you know someone would make an issue out of this? Unless of course you knew that people were not being treated equally and merchants would talk to each other and find out that the apologies (such as it was) did not go out to all merchants. Since if it was an oversight or a delay in mail, then you would be suprised by the reaction, not expecting it. Food for thought. JDexter

Russel, the word 'peepees' was used here for a very short time in the past to refer to Poser Pros I'm sorry to admit, but that usage was very quickly stopped as being in poor taste and is no longer, to the best of my knowledge, used by any of us even in jest. Certainly not amongst us mods and I'd be very surprised if the admins used it any more either. Kevin.

JeffH wrote: "Okay I know a bit more now. No admin from here posted that screen shot." so, then, who did? were you hacked? was it a "watergate" type burglary? or, could there be a very unhappy insider, running amok? or, wait, yet, again...could one of the admins be letting friends in on the confidential stuff? this stuff is getting so interesting, i'm about ready to see if the enquirer might be interested, now that winona ryder and robert blake are old news