Thnk you both, and what do I do or need to make a mesh? ..sorry for being so stoopid, this will be my first attempt at making models..but hey.,..I'm a single guy with lots of time on my hands L so I am willing to learn :) has anybody got a good tutorial about this? fear not..I have no plans of going commercial around here either (like I ever could anyway)..this is just for my own movie stuff :P

Really though, I have been a long fan of Poser. I still even have my Fractal Design Poser 2 CD :) I remember when I first bought it too, talk about a confusing manual L But once I messed with those dials and the model..of course, I was hooked for life. So call it what you like "virtual girlfriend" or whatever. It is good company to have around, and I guess in some ways it is like a woman..coz I still have never completely figured it out. I guess too if I would have taken the time to learn it more, maybe now I would be creating my own stuff instead of still buying it all, but sometimes it makes me so frustrated, I have to "break up with it" for awhile :P

L richardson .. Poser? this isn't the Uma Thurman fan site? well darn.. I have proof that Victoria 3 is real..yup Coz everytime I contact Daz support, I get replies from Vicky :P

So Version 1.0 will still be free? Kewl :) I think this program is going to keep growing, and become an awesome package for us all.

People that don't use Poser just don't understand us, huh? I mean let's be honest..how many of you have ever perhaps in the wee hours made V3 or M3..or perhaps V3 plus M3 do some umm let's say less than proper posing? :P

I like Daz Studio..been d'loading just about everytime another is released. I just hope once it goes commercial it wont cost like a zillion dollars. It about killed me just buying Mimic :o)

"Because V3 does precisely what she's told" Glad it wasn't me saying that. ~waits for the female response~ heh

"Are they that lonely that they have to buy virtual girlfriends?" Thinking about this..hmm..me being male..and if this was maybe a long, long time ago when I was a kid. I would probably get beat up playing with these dolls :P Besides, as realistic as renders are becoming, I mean,,,what the hell..print one out on photo paper and put her in your wallet. At least when other guys try to say.."yeah' I did her too" you will know they are lying L who wants a boyfriend with a detachable penis? Hmm another one to ponder..considering what is in the news these days..some women seem to like the concept of detaching them .. eeeek!

Thanks again for your help, EnglishBob .. think I will wander over to your site and look around :o)

Thanks so much everyone for the feedback :o) EnglishBob, would this only work in stills? Or could it also be used in animation scenes?

No offense taken, Dogor I have both, and some excellent "add-ons" from here for them, and the one I have got from here is quality (Ember) :0) Daz sells M3 & V3 to the public, but even they have guidlines you must adhere to. George Lucas sells the "privilege" of just looking. He doesn't throw in an x-wing fighter at the theater for you to take home and re-market :o) So I would say Daz and Lucas offer something similar as far as entertainment, but both with their own set of rules. Look at each artist's item around here. They always mention what it is based upon i/e V3, M3, etc. They don't just throw something out there and say "this is all mine" no they mention "you must have the Daz V3 base, etc to use this prop" and I am sure Daz makes a few sales from that as well. Generalization is never intended to be a personal issue. Unless one turns it into such. If you ever seen the movie History Of The World Part 1, you might remember them telling about the artist being invented, and not long after the art critic L "Jabs and pokes" are what helps make change sometimes. If not, we would all be back to your "birds and trees" quote..boring :o) I am just an end product user, and not an artist here. I mostly come here to shop for medieval props, etc. Which is what I am off to do now. You should start one of those controversy shows on TV, you're good at it L To all else I can just say buyer beware. There are lots of sue happy people out there, and the web is a great place for them to feed. Just like politics and religeon, copyright issues have a lot of shaded areas as well, so always get permission first. If you get approved straight from the source, then the sky is the limit :o) This is my last post here..happy rendering

Actually Dogor I was replying to JHoagland aka John (correct me if I am wrong, but is this not his thread?) I was saying that people would be surprised how many big companines will let you do things if you just ask them. Some will even go as far as giving you more material to work with. If they do not, you move on to something else. This is hardly a lack of respect or dislike of rules, or at least what I am re-reading what I said reflects that. I even mention artists here at my site that I have purchased their products from. This is nothing they demand, but I do anyways. This is called common courtesy, and appreciation of their efforts. Ths is the same courtesy I would give any artist. If I needed something from xantor for post production, I would abide by his terms (rules) as well. My "There is no rule that says Star Wars is the best thing to ever happen" is stating that there are other things people can do. People can build a better mousetrap sometimes, and avoid being accused of riding the coat tails of another product's success. I am sure most have disliked a movie etc, because we thought it copied another movie too much. As for your " birds and trees" comment. This was simply stating that there are some things in the world still free to use. Not many, but a few, and I do render other things as well :0) but I will give you that one, it would be rather boring. I am simply here to give my opinions, and sometimes I use my own experiences as a base. I am not here to cast stones, or make unfounded accusations. I hope this forum is just about relaying an opinion, and not the Springer show :o)

This seems to revolve around Ferrari, John. Did you contact Ferrari about what their guidlines are? There are lots of copyrighted things for sale also that contain the "Royalty Free" clause. There will always be a grey line about this unless you go directly to the source, and get your answers there. You might also go ahead, make your demo, and let them review it before release to the general public. Most vendors are always happy to let people glorify their products, however Ferrari may not be real fond of you letting their cars explode like a Pinto :o)

I don't use Poser 6, still a die hard Poser 4 user. But I had good luck with an older program called Picture Publisher from Micrografx (still use it)..I think Corel bought them out and dumped the whole program. Hmm, makes you wonder about PSP's fate too, huh? :o)

I copy stuff like trees, clouds, and nature things for rendering. God has not sued me yet :o) I say the best thing to do is just get creative and make your own ideas happen. There is no rule that says Star Wars is the best thing to ever happen :o) Another thing is if it's supposedly free stuff and says for non-commercial use only..pass it on by for something that can be used both ways..After all that sort of dampens the whole free theory anyhow, yes?