Quote - All this arguing and not a single render!  For shame!

I'm just going to let Dawn speak for herself.  MST's Exotique for Dawn.

Both of those are so beautiful!  So top notch on the skin, indeed Exotique!

Quote - Sneakers for Dawn.

Vote with our modeling!  ;)

Those are great!  I love it!

When will it be released? Soon?? looks hopeful

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Wish Roxie had that support.

I wish many other figures had this kind of support from Rendo. I've never seen Rendo so active in promoting something that isn't their own or any other figure at all. I guess being famous helps promoting your figure, it's the same as always..... Rendo promotes the big names who really don't need all that over the top extra attention at all and let's the little guys drown, no matter how good their stuff is. The good thing is that finally poser may get a figure that has enough support, the bad thing is that other good figures will suffer because of this.

Anyway.... I've got Dawn, played with her for a little while and I didn't see anything that utterly impressed me at all, she's just another Vicky but this time not made by DAZ. I've been more impressed by other much more original and creative figures in my runtime. I'm sure she will do well, since she's just a rebranded Vicky with a different name. For me I don't see the need for a new vicky-like figure at all, spending lot's of money in items for her if she's too close to what I've got already. I'm sure that DAZ isn't happy with this though and that Rendo (and others) finally can draw back (some of) the poser audience that left over the years. I've had a few minutes of rendering fun with Dawn, hope others will enjoy here much longer then I did.

 

I agree. I've followed the Dawn threads as a lurker, loosely while doing other things, waiting to see something impressive with her. 

Still waiting. 

So far I've seen nothing that suggests she utilizes Poser's built-in features to any degree beyond some basic weightmapping, and I do mean basic. Where are the muscle/tendon flexes, twists, bulges, etc?  Where are the animated joint centers and scaling features? If Dawn is truly a figure built to utilize all of Poser's latest features, then why aren't we seeing examples of the infant Dawn, the toddler Dawn, the she-wolf Dawn, the teenage Dawn, the world's fattest woman Dawn, etc? 

Also haven't seen any evidence that her creators have actually studied the human form and proportions and how they relate/are interpreted in 3D. The base figure is pretty damned ugly and doesn't even look human without her skin paint, and whats up with that man chin?

Not trying to throw insults but so far V4 is still a more attractive and complete figure. Comparing her to V5 isn't even relative. V5 looks very human without skin. Even P6 Jessie looks more human without skin.

And yeah, I know her original creator is a somewhat famous painter - if you're into jesus paintings - but being able to paint/draw a believable human isn't even in the same ball park as being able to model/sculpt a believable 3D human. The fact they were involved in the design of previous V+ incarnations makes it even worse. They should know what they're doing in terms of anatomical correctness by now.

Then there is the (possible) issue with DAZ and former DAZ employees, and possible legal ramifications, that I haven't seen anyone bring up or question yet. Maybe they don't exist, but if they do, it's quite possible DAZ could pull the plug on Dawn if they view her as a threat. We're talking about former DAZ employees who worked on previous DAZ figures - some of whom seem disgruntled.  

Unless DAZ is somehow connected to Dawn's development behind the scenes - which I suspect is actually the case, though no one will ever actually admit as much even when asked point-blank - otherwise, DAZ may be able to persue legal action depending on what sort of contract agreements and competition clauses that exist that the majority may know nothing about. (Former employees/partners often face legal issues when trying to branch off and form their own competing product(s).

Maybe all of that is just hyper speculation, but its something to keep in mind before dumping a bunch of money and time on another figure that may wind up facing the same fate as old Renda did.

Yes, I'm very critical. Can't help it, I'm a Libra, it's my nature ;-)

Still, if all goes well, I'll probably support her, but purely for selfish reasons.

 

~Shane

V4 is not a complete figure out of the box.  She's actually butt ugly out of the box.  She needs many, many helper morphs to bring her to the out of the box state of Dawn, who bends like a dream plus decent textures, cause who would ever want to use her with that dreadful pink bathing suit default look?

I've been helping to test some products for Dawn, and I've been pleased as punch with her and have had a bunch of fun using her.  Having extra bones in the torso area makes doing poses with her so fun.  Even a decent looking backbend is easy!  I got it first try.

No she doesn't have all the morphs I would like, however she has some great ones such as 'body suit' morph which I fully intend to use the hell out of once the texture conversion comes out for Reality Paint for all the 2nd skin stuff I had for V4.  Also I see folks like Xemeva and Meipe developing new morphs for breasts.  (Yep bought em!)  

As far as being able to do some extreme stuff with her.  Why don't you check out the Hivewire 3D forums?  Mec4D has managed to turn her into a really sexy guy, Virtual World has a girl will be in my shopping cart as soon as I see her in the store! I got Tempest 3D's Lycia too.  The Alexis morph over at Hivewire3D is cute as a button and a great teen / younger character morph.  Sparky has made a Cat person for her and is working on getting that finalized.  RAWart is doing great body shapes too that will be available for Poser (already has DAZ covered).  The dwarf will be mine! And of course I bought one of Mstene's characters too, because I wanted an exotic beauty.

As far as why people aren't supporting Roxie.  I don't know.  She's cute enough, I think.  A good character, but I don't think she had the collaboration behind her that this team has been able to pull off.  Smith Micro isn't nearly as good at creating buzz, I think.  Perhaps sadly.  At Hivewire, not only were they able to put together a great new figure for the 3D community and offer it to both DAZ and Poser users, but they were able to stir interest among the top vendors in the community.  It's very, very early in this game, and she already has top people on board.

My hat is off to HIvewire, YurDigital, Rendo and RDNA and all the great content creators, both content for sale and free.

To me the future is bright with this new Dawn.  Think I might need shades!

Off to do errands, maybe by the time I get back crosses fingers

I think something is happening.. Hivewire is being worked on!  

I have today off.. soooo hard to wait!  

Quote - > Quote - Does anyone else have problems with the forums at Hivewire?  It never recognizes my password, won't even take me to where I can reset it.  

I did...because I hadn't set up an account with the forums.

I did set up an account with the store, but that does not give you access to the forums. You have to set up a separate account for that. 

Then you'll get a "merging accounts" message (I guess associating the store account with the forum account).  THEN you can log into the forums.

Okay, thank you.  

Does anyone else have problems with the forums at Hivewire?  It never recognizes my password, won't even take me to where I can reset it.  

Quote - Closer and closer!!!!! LOL.

All the best.

Great Uncle LROG

Gorgeous eyes!

Also, so glad to see Sergio/Xurge is going to support Dawn!  :)

Quote - > Quote - What about those of us who have Reality Paint?  I just bought this right before the Poser Expo.  Will this be handled as an update to that version and what will be the price for us?

Great features and new tools!  Thank you!

 

Yes, indeed, you will get a free copy of the new transfer utility!

Here is my rational for making the utility free with realityPaint...

The expected number of sales of this new utility is much greater than the extected number of sales of realityPaint, due to the low price and high demand. If a small percentage of the new customers interested in the utility opt to buy realityPaint, then that would be more overall sales vs. selling the utility separately to existing realityPaint customers. It could also encourage more Blacksmith3D-Suite v4 ( or v3 ) customers to upgrade.

So, if the rationalle is correct, then it's best for everyone. Value added for realityPaint customers, and more overall sales for us. Win, win, win :D

Yaaay!  I am very, very happy and looking forward to learning to use the new transfer tools to play with my existing texture library on both figures!

Thank you so very much!

What about those of us who have Reality Paint?  I just bought this right before the Poser Expo.  Will this be handled as an update to that version and what will be the price for us?

Great features and new tools!  Thank you!

That is really gorgeous!  Love the hemline.  :D

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Oh noooo, I killed the thread.... kitteh blushes

Here's some hair I'm making for Dawn, would that help?  I donlt remember if I showed it here before or not.

Any new Dawn renders, peeps?
I'm modeling and UV mapping today... so nothing really exciting to see here.

 

I love this messy looking hair. Please don't make this a Cr2 hair product? I hate those. I love artists that offer both for sods like me needing to fit hair on many different characters. Conforming hair just won't play nice like that when trying to make it work on non conforming parents. Even if you parent it to the head for instance, long flowing Cr2 hair morphs die or become a nightmare to work with whereas nicely made and completely morpheable Hr2 hair works better.

Gotcha!
I haven't decided how I'm going to rig it... I want to make sure it's a functional and as versatile as I can make it. 

I adore this hair model and would love jewely / combs / pearls / ans ribbons options.  A definite buy product for me.

Quote - The hand does look very short in that position. And the wrist is odd.

That's about the length of my hand when I have the heel of it at my chin.  I just checked.