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Momcat, I forgot in my last message: no, no post work whatsoever in the picture! This is ECII pure-

and some news: I will post some SnapShot Files on Renderosity and on my own site, later tonight.
They hold the Environment as in my picture above, plus some soft, golden sun. Together, you get about 27 totally different Environments in two files. Practical for a suitcase or what?

You open these SnapShot Files in the Reader, where the Environment gets recreated (use Button "Read", of course). Once the Reader is ready, the LightWorkShop will startup automatically. (in the MAC, you have to start the LightWorkShop by hand, sorry)

The LightWorkShop, under the SnapShot Button, will show a long list with names.
The last one is the Environment as in the picture, all the others are variations- sometimes extremely so.
Scroll the list, choose a name and see what happens.
You can tell me if you like it, but you don't have to :-)

If you encounter any problems- just let me know

Hey! I see only now that Fauve hit the solution! Good for you, Fauve! It seems nobody thinks of hitting F1 if they're in trouble (the F12 thing gets mentioned first in the "basics" helpfile, if I remember..) There you are, and I thought I had thought of everything :-)) What do I know..

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tech@pcbos.nl

Cheers everybody,

Paul Christiaan

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Oh, let me see. Cut off? Try Function Key F12 and move the window. If that doesn't work, go to the prefs menu, and choose Change Font In the window that now opens, do NOT choose a different font (please :-)), but move the slider on the right a bit downwards. You'll see the effect in the sample text below the slider. Just make things smaller a bit. Click OK to return to EC, and see if it did work. If you want to make double sure, EXIT the module you were using, then open it again. What you now see is what you certainly will get. Please check out the helpfiles to see if they all still look good!! So: FIRST: use the F12 trick. Move the window to the middle of your screen. ONLY if this doesn't work: Change the Font Size. If this still is not enough, rummage around in the different fonts in the Font window, and experiment with fonts and different sizes till you're happy. If THIS -STILL- wouldn't work: mail me at tech@pcbos.nl would someone have the kindness to send me as SMALL a file as possible with a picture of what happens- PLEASE NOT a whole screen, I have a very slow internet connection. DO be nice to me and try to stay below 15K :-) It should be enough for me to understand what you mean. And not to worry- it will be solved. But I need to know what system you run etcetera, and understand exactly what you mean. Anyway, first try and get the thing to the middle of the screen, OK?

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Hi Dialyn!

Thanks for the kind words - I'm getting wunderful mails all the time, I think ECII is really doing what I wanted, and it's a great, great feeling. Fantastic to know so many people seem to get straight away what the program is about, and are able to work with it in a short time!

Hands up, anybody: did you use the help thing : "PhotoReader in 3 easy steps", or the like, when you started for the first time? It was very hard work, writing these helpfiles -programlets in themselves, in fact-, and I'm curious to know if they worked for you.

Just let me know

Cheers,

Paul Christiaan

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hello everybody,

I thought: since you're posting so many good pictures- even after the shortest of acquaintance with ECII, I'm quite impressed; the least I could do, was to post one of my own.

Raytracing- let's come back to that- is NO problem. AND You can use any P4 / P5 material, but believe me, leave ECII's lights alone. You really get the best results that way, for now. The moment Raytracing adds extra, you get the update- and I ALWAYS keep word.

If you need extra Raytrace, use an extra spotlight. This doesn't bother ECII (though it will continue to ask you if you don't want to DELETE the "Strange, non EC Light"!), so you can mix the two rendering strategies as much as you like.

Anyway, here's my picture. It's pretty subtle, and perhaps you don't like it much. But I'm sure you perfectionists understand why I chose this to send, not a spectacular picture. To me, this picture says a lot about what kind of control ECII gives you.

Later on today, perhaps tomorrow, I will release a few freebies for EC II- in the Python section of this great site: complete Light Sets, for recreating by the Reader. The Lighting Environment above ("MoonLit") will be one of them. So if you like it, you can have it :-)

Cheers,

Paul Christiaan

tech@pcbos.nl

http://www.pcbos.nl
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Once I get the specs - and if DAZ leaves some hooks dangling. But it is a good suggestion, I will contact DAZ about it. Thanks! Cheers, Paul Christiaan

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Hello Fauve, and everybody else- I stumbled on this thread by accident- and I'm of course very much flattered - but much more: very, very fulfilled! now I know my ECII really does what I wanted, and meant it to do - by your, and other's, comments. Indeed I've tried to put my experience with light into mathematic formulae for others to use, and I must say I'm pleased as PUNCH that it is working so well.. You show the learning curve very well in your pictures, I'm happy to see you're starting to use the reflection lights (the "BOUNCE" part of the Environment). bit of info for everybody: ************************* Tutuorial-let to be found on my ECII page At my site -for IE 6.0 users: http://www.pcbos.nl/Poser_Website/Poser_Web800.html -- this loads the least heavy site image, see below -- You find an updated "tutorial-let" with images and so on. If you want to be kind to the purpose of my site, you could also use http://www.pcbos.nl and then follow link "Poser" You then get a site that is adapted to the capabilities of your computer. And NO, you will not find any commercials at my site, or those pop-up things:-) ************************* And some more: Are you already aware of what the "SunDial" can do? And why you have the module "SeasonMaker"? In the coming months, I will release more polished Season Definitions, and, perhaps, once Poser 5 is up to it, some plugins for working with Spotlights. In Poser 5, you can set up your lighting with ECII (Personally, I never do otherwise, and it's really not because I'm the author), and then render with the FireFly engine if you want. Oh yes- can I also say how glad how I am with the thread about ECII's efficiency?! ECII lights are NOT standard Poser 5 lights by the way, it creates them on-the-fly. This is why it takes a bit longer to create the Environment then under Poser 4. But they render like lightning, with no compromise whatsoever - the reverse, in fact. Of course, when you work with a 57 or higher number of lights, rendering time becomes longer- but ECII sets things to the most efficient state, and with regard for Poser's inner memory structure. So you can do a lot more in the same time, that's what it comes down to. Raytracing lights- if you want quality, trust on the ECII sets. They are optimized for what they are meant to do. Once the rendering engine is worth it, I will post an update for raytracing -that is a promise. As things stand now, it would just take more time - with LESS quality. Believe me, I've tried and tested and double - tested: for now, raytracing has nothing to do with getting results that look good. If anybody has a question: tech@pcbos.nl will help as fast as I can - and that is another promise. P.S. I haven't mentioned the SnapShot Lists, into which you can pack up to 32 totally different Environments. Will release some freebies soon in that format, they're specially meant for exchanging even the most complex Environments. Cheers, Paul Christiaan

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Hello again- just to tell you I added some information. It's getting more like a tutorial- just not quite. But the page does give insight in the capabilities, and shows a lot of renders. Enjoy! Paul Christiaan

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Oops, I forgot-

as promised: the images are here, plus a short intro- not quite a tutorial, just to show you how it renders, and what the main functions are.

Let me know if you miss something!

Cheers,

Paul Christiaan

http://www.pcbos.nl

follow link "Poser"

Reason for this darn way round is that large monitors, or monitors with large gamuts, get different pages at my site.
That way, even people with cheap or small monitors get a good view, since they view a different site.
I'm sorry if this makes for difficulties with some of you, but it's important to me to give everybody the best his / her machine can handle.

If you're really worried, OK:
http://www.pcbos.nl/Poser_Website/Poser_Web.html

should work for most.
"Savest" is
http://www.pcbos.nl/Poser_Website/Poser_Web800.html

OK, hope this helps!

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Hello everybody

But you HAVE help all the time :-)- go to the Red Question Sign, you find it nearly every module on the right hand side of the topmenu- click on it, and a menu will open where you'll find different subjects listed-

-to give you an idea-

like "PhotoReader in 3 easy steps", for instance.. You can put that Helpwindow next to the module, and just do the steps as they're written out, that should help you to get to know your way around quick.
And there's lots more.

Please start by reading the "basics", or just click on Function key F1. Then go to the CREATOR! to begin with, and open the .. in 4 easy steps" thing, I forget the exact number, but it isn't very high :-)

I did this because I thought people might appreciate having help where they can best use it- in Poser. It is, in fact, more extensive than a manual could have been.

And, also all the time, text appears when you go over buttoins and things, telling you what they're for.

Well, hope this helps.

If any problem: mail me at
tech@pcbos.nl
and you get an answer back as quick as I can- and that's a promise

Cheers, Paul Christiaan

And please remember I LIKE helping people out- I learn from you, you know! So mail me any time if you need help.

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Hi there, as promised: I put up a page with Images, and a short tutorial as well- on my site. Should be with DAZ as well, later this week or the next.Thought you might like to know a bit earlier. It's not a manual, just something to show you how the main parts work and what kind of lighting you can create, more or less out of the box- Let me know if you miss something. tech@pcbos.nl Oh yes: http://www.pcbos.nl follow link "Poser" Cheers, Paul Christiaan

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Hi there,

as promised: I put up a page with Images of renderings with the Environment Creators II, and a short tutorial as well- on my site. Should be with DAZ later this week, but I thought you might like to know sooner :-) It's not a manual, just something to show you how the main parts work and what kind of lighting you can create, more or less out of the box-

Let me know if you miss something.

tech@pcbos.nl

Oh yes:
http://www.pcbos.nl
follow link "Poser"

Cheers,

Paul Christiaan

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:-)) Well, I meant applause for my DAZ friends, in fact.. , Or for you all, certainly not for me. I've done pretty little- except answering tons of email, but that's always OK with me. But I will tell them from you, dialyn! And you get your closer look at EC later this week, promise. Cheers, Paul Christiaan

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Dear everybody!!-

DAZ came up trumps!
That was the mail I was sort of playing on.. I just spoke with DAZ, and they tell me
Environments Creators Version II for Poser 5
"IS TO BE RELEASED THIS AFTERNOON"

=which means either now or in the next hour or so.

It was, indeed, all a mistake. The marketing dept. wanted to give the product double focus, since Poser 5 is not DAZ core- business, but they like the product. Quite understandable too, if you think of the fact two people recently changed places.

So: DAZ never meant to make you do things you don't want to, and they also tell me, they will release my next Tool- keep you posted- for Poser 5 as well.

Can we hear some applause here, please? I think it's great- and also quite a relief to have this cleared up.

Dialyn and others: am planning to write a short tutorial, which shows you how EC works, so you'll understand what it is.
I'm very busy just now, but the thing will be there somewhere middle this week, my site

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So, in short: Environment Creators, Version II is to be found at DAZ

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And: absolutely, dialyn.

everybody, please remember: I GOT a certain mail... Do please wait till Monday or Tuesday before you go flaming DAZ again. I don't think they deserve it- in fact: I KNOW they don't deserve flaming.
Fact of the matter is, we just got a new broker. Earlier deals were simply overseen in the change over. Or so I understand.

To Jcleaver: the one with nothing happening when clicking on the graphic: either switch JAVA on, or install true Java, not Microsoft's own cooking. I think that might be the problem, though I have seen my sight working under XP, which has, I believe, IE latest. Check your prefs, perhaps?

Ok, speak to you all soon!

Paul Christiaan

tech@pcbos.nl

Hello everybody-

GRAPHICS created with ECII:
at DAZ and at
http://www.pcbos.nl
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the image for ECII has been made wholly with ECII lightsets (Moon (Poser 5), SunDown (Poser 4), Beach (Poser 5)).

Also there, there is a lot more information about the program, plus 1:1 reproductions of the program's modules, plus what they are for.

NO restriction whatsoever on distributing Light Sets- in fact, that was one of my big points for EC, from Version1 onwards.ECII goes a lot further in this field- you can pack up to 32 different manifestations of the same basic Light Set in 1 SnapShot File- each SnapShot with as long a name as you like-, PLUS the original Lightset. Anybody else using ECII can then instantly recreate the set with one flick of the button.

One thing more: something great has happened in the last few minutes.. I may not say anything yet, butI think things will work out fine for every Poser 5 user out there, and soon as well.

Will keep you posted.

Thank you all for the understanding and the great discussion!

Yours,

Paul Christiaan