my webpage has a way better illustration. I could have probably linked to it, I guess... I'm lazy.

I read the 'big picture' and that told me enough. I think I've had enough of the newspeak game and the ministry of truth. I see all of my very valid technical points have been collectively ignored. Have fun guys.

average is good :) and you look very nice ... :)

yup size matters Hiram, how big are ya anyway ;-) all good points. I'm a dot com vet myself. Got the scars to prove it... deep scars, bitter bitter, but hey... my stocks are worth nothing, I'll go to my grave supporting my parents social security pensions, and I'll get nothing when I get to their age... ... and I'm still hanging in there ... lol Take down my gallery? Geez, why? I get a decent exposure here, its not my bandwidth anyway. I bought enough in the MP here to deserve that gallery space. Its staying there. :) (leech mentality: ON) see ya around when I'm around - love your work Hiram :)

Nick is actually bijou :) I just don't have my usual nick here because one of those inactive leech accounts got here before I did. sure it has to do if I like somebody or not. Because if its someone I like and has shown me decency and respect - it affects me much more deeply. I think the leeches are noble people. God save the leeches. :) Without leeches, who would you have power over? Wait, I'm atheist... god cant save the leeches because he/she/them/it is just a ( ( . ) ) Dot. :) (no, its not a backside, its a representation of an eyeball and its blind spot as best as I can do it in ascii)

tutone1234 Every vendor I know has been negative on this. Every one, some of whom are exclusive here. I'm just an observer... and look - I'm not bashing your right to have privacy. I'm just being pragmatic. Excluding them from the merchants forum was just causing yourself problems you didn't need to have. You could have made a new forum for your exclusive vendors ... but even that would not be secure. The relationships of people here are deep and varied, you just don't know who is all friends of who here. Copy and paste, people handing out their passwords, making fake accounts - how do you keep them out? Now, I understand completely the frustration with certain people here. I can see why you would have gotten angry - I would have gotten angry too. But I am saying - you could have dealt with just that member or couple of members, instead of making a blanket policy that has alienated people you didn't really need to alienate. I've said a few things that you could have done differently, and sure, there would be a fight from the people you talk about - I'd expect it. But its trickled down to people that it shouldn't have trickled down to. People that are not the persons of which you speak - but they don't post here because of fear of reprisals. I'm not a vendor - I'm just a user of this website, and I buy things here too - I've spent quite a lot here in fact. And I'm going to be a user again, like I was in the 2 years of lurking here before - like the rest of everybody else. Just a user.

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I was actually more upset when they ditched Bill Bay. He's a great guy. Has never been anything but respectful and professional in all the communications and dealings I've had with him. and in journey, I found this on Renderosity. From what it seems, BBay had a friendly cooperation and a business relationship. What I see going on here, is a violation of trust. There should have been another forum created, this situation could have and should have been handled much better than it has been. But I see no side is capable of saying 'I'm wrong' or 'I'm sorry'. People got banned from the forum without even an explanation why. so... I'm back into being like 90 percent of the members here. A leech. :) leeching away back into lurkdom.... take care. Enjoy the story, I think its worth a read.

on that note, bowing out. Seen enough. :) have fun all! Just when you start throwing out numbers of the records of the database as how many members you actually have... man, just wave a red flag in front of my face... :) Its nothing to do with Poser though... just it raises a red flag with me because of like, 8 years of dealing with internet startups and entrepreneurs...

::Kendra - i take it that you have polled the other 114,000 members of renderosity and 112,000 + said that they disagree with this policy?:: oh man, dont let me go on a tangent here. DONT... I mean stop me please... How many of those people are actually active members?? I mean, after you culled out the inactive accounts and the duplicate names? And then from that number, how many of them are active members that buy in the MP? I'm actually not asking for this question to be answered... just Ive seen such number throwing before at other places I've worked and volunteered for (not poser or 3d related sites) ... all of which have either folded or are NO longer are managed by the same company I might add! And some of those companies are pretty BIG!

well I just got slapped in the face I think too. Oh well. Glass houses, I have a stone. :) Take care all, enjoy the fight.

I guess that means everyone here. As I'm just a concerned outsider that simply surfs your site... guess it doesnt matter that much to me. I'll happily go back to surfing and sucking down your bandwidth since its obvious you don't give a rats backside what I have to say. I'm an outsider, but a customer, and a customer that spends quite a lot here. if you dont like that, I can always change my habits. :)

well, as an internet developer - Ive seen even big companies bite the dust in the last year or so. I just say, just be careful everyone...do NOT alienate your customers!

I think Mosca doesn't mean that ... the factional split is groups such as PoserPros and Daz splitting with CL and Renderosity.

Actually, I think CL will patch this all up and things will be all nice again. I don't know about Renderosity. They should be careful, things can very easily swing the other way.

exactly. So why are they turning the merchants forum, which is the proper place for questions like: How do I upload my files to MP - did it get there yet? uh, why haven't you paid me yet? or merchants helping merchants with tech and business questions RELATED TO MERCHANTS not Renderosity... etc... (lord knows I need that kind of help too with just distribution of free stuff) And I think that all the merchants have the right to have those questions answered. Even ones that have competing brokerages that sell here. What on earth does THAT have to do with site planning and strategy? Site planning and strategy should be limited to Admins and MAYBE a mod or two. Its got no business in a Merchants forum. All I can figure, from reading the various posts - is this: Merchants on Renderosity might have to know NDA type material regarding CP. Which Renderosity does not want their competitors to know. For some reason(s) unclear to me, Renderosity feels threatened by the other brokerages. Which the logical deduction is: eventually the merchants will have to make a choice: do they sell exclusively on Renderosity or not. Because its going to be difficult for them to keep this kind of secret, NDA or no. Even the wild idea of expecting them to keep it a secret is an exercise in futility. I'd like to add something here. I think nobody would have much of a store if it weren't for DAZ3d initially. Its their models that made it possible for the third-party content to be good enough to sell in the first place. I think Renderosity alienating Daz is going to turn out to be a bad business decision. And lets not forget the other software companies out there. Curious Labs is NOT the only one here. Some names. E-On. Corel. Eovia. Discreet. Need I go on?

I remember the Seven Deadly Sins. Was required reading in AOL customer support training :)