I think if you gave it to the 13 year olds, they'd probably do a better job :) I'm simply shocked as a long time customer and member of Renderosity at what is going on. I'm not a vendor, so I don't have access to the Merchants forum, so that doesn't bother me at all. I just am bothered by the fact so many merchants are upset or packing up shop and leaving. I know several merchants here and they are all bothered by the situation, the big and small ones alike. Its bad business. Its bad for me as a customer too, I don't like seeing Renderosity shooting itself in the foot.

oh, I think Davo likes being tied up. You're on. :)

I have no idea, but the security/privacy issues bother me a lot about CP. And I think this whole issue is boiling down to the introduction of CP anyway. Just nobody talks about it openly, and that's a shame. Not everyone here on Renderosity are Poser fanatics. I love Poser, but I am starting to just buy Poser content for use in Carrara now. So CP is useless for me. I'm just glad Eovia is working on V3 to be something even more amazing than V2.

actually, I think the hurt will be felt by R'osity when people do not use the Content Paradise as they think it will be used... it will be a silent but hard felt situation as customers do not migrate to P5 as expected and do not use CP. Most people aren't going to delete their galleries nor are they going to leave Renderosity, they will probably still be shopping in the Marketplace too, just as they always have. Just they won't be using Content Paradise. As I have migrated more and more into being a Carrara 2 user anyway, I won't be shopping with CP either.

actually, one doesn't have to be a merchant forum. Personally, I feel that this is all bogus anyway, as you shouldn't be discussing your strategy with the merchants. Not unless you like having the entire Poser community knowing before you're ready. And kicking out a few proprietors of brokerages isnt going to change anything, either. Their friends are still going to be in that forum and pass on anything they want to know. So, if the real reason was just to piss people off, they succeeded in spades.

Carrara 2 is a solid performer for me also. Sounds like sour grapes. Its good value for money. I do not regret spending the money for it. Its not a high end 3d app, but its got features of many of them. Comparing it to Poser just because of the Metacreations interface... geez folks, why not bash Bryce too while you're at it?

If you are a merchant here on Renderosity, you should be in the merchants forum. If you don't have a store here, then you shouldn't have access. Simple 'nuff for me. :) If Renderosity needs a forum for MP strategy, they shouldn't be discussing it in a merchant's forum in the first place. Merchants forum should just be for merchants that sell here. They shouldn't know sensitive information about this website. Tell a phone, tell a vendor, tell everybody in poserland, you know? And my feeling is, certain persons were using R'osity's forums for their own advertising purposes, and these are some of the loudest screams you hear in this thread. Well... as cynical as this sounds - this isn't against Renderosity TOS. So they weren't breaking the rules. But I sympathise with Renderosity's annoyance at this. They should change the TOS, IMHO. Nuff said from me. Hope someone actually listens, but doubt they will.

Dialyn - take care, I'll put on a violin concerto for you :) I read every post, and then some on the other sites too. I'm being very very fair, and I actually do support Renderosity's original reasoning - I just disagree about their implementations. Flaxlynn... I've been bijouchat as long as I've been here too. Somebody took the bijou name (that never uses it) before I got here. So I don't have it here. Sigh. I'd probably PAY someone here at R'osity to let me have that name. HINT HINT!! ;-) Most other sites, you can look me up as bijou though :) I agree about the forest fires... you know what? They happen everywhere unfortunately - everywhere you have a forum and lots of people - will always be a fight somewhere.

I didn't accuse anyone Dialyn. I see you're accusing people though. I've seen the posts from R'osity staff about this (its been reposted at several other sites - all unaffliated with each other - which leads me to think the reposts are true)... I feel I can give my unbiased opinion on this after reading the fallout. I'm not a rahrah person for any Poser site. I'm not a vendor here or anywhere else. (right now, that might change in the future)I've contributed to some products for sale in the MP here though, from which I do not make a dime from. Just helping a friend that helped me. I'm a member of Renderosity for 2 years, and I am a regular customer of the Marketplace here. (as my credit card and bank account will attest) I even resigned the one moderator position I had at Thralldom.org, so I have more time for my important non-poser work and poser projects alike. (moderation was sucking away all my time) The only Poser site that has a art gallery from me is hosted here at Renderosity. I speak my mind, from bitter experience of 8 years of managing websites and working online. Folks here can take the advice I've learned or leave it, its just my observations. I have no real right to express them here though - there is no such thing as free speech on a private website. But Renderosity has provided a forum that is moderated in a fairly liberal fashion, and I take the opportunity to simply speak my mind. As most of the people in this thread are doing, both pro and con. I think Renderosity has a right to have a forum dealing with their Marketplace strategies that is free of their competitors - they should have simply gone about this a different way than they did. The way they did it has caused a huge war, which isn't good for Renderosity or anyone else here. My 2 cents worth, and probably not even worth that.

If it goes to being a pay membership here, you can almost write the epitaph for the site. It thrives on the traffic - you need people to browse the store in order to buy. That definitely would be biting the hand that feeds you. I just hope someone wakes up today and finds some common sense. Common sense seems not so common right now. Banning people isn't going to help anyone - they just come back under new nicknames and cause all kinds of problems. I'd rather have the usual suspects posting as who I know them by, than chasing them, playing a game of hide and seek. (bijou has been there and knows this from experience...) Goldfire - thanks. Yeah, RuntimeDNA isn't responsible for this one, neither is Curious Labs for that matter. Best not to punish either.

sounds like R'osity needed two forums here, one for discussing design and strategy of the MP - limited to Admins and some moderators of R'osity - and another forum for general vendor support. Instead of making a new forum for said purpose no 1, I guess someone thought... why not just banish some people from the vendor forum where they need to get support and faqs on being a merchant here? And cut off some vendors from getting support. And like, cause a huge PR disaster? Instead of doing the easier thing and like... do a little bit of work and open a new forum... :-/ What is a competing brokerage anyway - most of the top vendors have their own sites too. So what. A boutique with your own stuff isn't a brokerage, and hey, some of those boutiques have items that have trouble being sold here. my opinion - if you write it in an email or a forum its not going to be a secret anyway. SOMEbody is going to flap their trap and use copy and paste to their advantage. So what was the point of this PR disaster other than to cause a big brouhaha?

yeah... I realised that myself. I'm in Germany too buried by lots of other dots. ;-)

I'm dotted but under my usual nickname, bijou :) I just happen to be bijouchat here at R'osity (because some slacker that doesn't even use the nick got here first! G)

I'm a very big fan of the Bliss texture from ByteMeOk myself... you get both a Vic and a Steph in the same package. I love ByteMeOk's work. She's my fav texture artist here. :)

sounds interesting, the surface curvature method is something I didn't understand before. :-) Thanks for your explanation, it has really let me know more about the product. :) Carrara tends to eat the texture templates when subdividing a vertex mesh, so that's where I have that experience from.