Never tried that one great idea thanks!!

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The fact is people use multi ids to make problems and it has been proven several times so I don't get your point. I have reported this problem several times and the admins have taken action, so again what is your point? The proof is the problem still exists and the admins have not found an answer to solving it. Does that mean they are not doing their respective jobs? No it does not. Does the problem still infect this site? Yes it does. I have remained consistent in my to approach this problem and now I am the problem? Telling lies that I have multi ID's at RR is just plain bull. I disagree that multi ID's are not the problem. Multi ID's is the problem here if you could only use one ID, then the fact is no one could use them to do harm to others plain and simple. I really don't think you can count on people not using multi id's in a responsible way obviously if you look at the problems that is caused by having them. You made a good suggestion that the people misusing the multi id's should be hung out in public I think that would be a good deterrent for others not to wrongfully use them unfortunately I think you would run into a law suit as well. Pointing fingers does not make the problem go away. If you read the thread that Christie started a long time ago you can see that this has been a problem for a long time and my approach back then is the same as it is now. Can you say the same? Obviously if you read that thread both you and DJ had different feelings on the subject back then. I remain consistent in my approach and feelings on this issue it is easy to see. Again if you don't like me personally I can live with that. But again the problem still is here isnt it? :O)

Now that is funny like I mentioned how soon we forget read your own words Christie. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12368&Form.ShowMessage=1365310 I am sure you want me to leave but you can also take your own advice and leave as well or just choose not to read my posts. But I assure you I am not going any where any time soon. This has and will continue to be a problem with this site and problems are made to be solved IMHO. Telling lies and trying to make me out as the bad guy here is ridiculous. I will continue to point out these flaws as long as people are being hurt by them like it or not. :O)

Ok gang up on me I really don't care and that of course will not make the problem go away. Head in the sand means you choose not to see this as a problem. And I have ONE ID that I have used from day one here at RR and that is rds what other id are you referring too? If you can find one it surely was not made by me. Walter you and Christie would do better to point your fingers else where IMHO. The reason I fight against this kind of thing is simple it is the right thing to do. The Fact is Christie you where attack at one point by this type of activity and you felt very strongly about it. I did my best to assist back then and now some how you feel it's no big deal? How soon we forget. I take particular offense at your accusation Walter that I have more than one id here at RR in fact that is an absolute lie. I know you and Gebe and Djeser are good friends and don't want to be proven wrong but this transcends all of your personal feelings and is in the best interests of all to do what can be done to stop this multi id type of attacks on this community. If you are tired of this type of commentary from me just put your head back in the sand and don't read it. Or try and do something to stop it but dont shoot the messenger.

I love X-frog and would be interested to see how Tune works. I guess I will just have to break down and take it off the wish list and buy it. :O) Ultra renders take a long time I have noticed. But that is what I need for my prints @600dpi. So I feel the rendering pain almost daily. 4.2 in ultra mode is much faster than Vue4pro in ultra mode. But the results in Pro are fantastic if you can be patient and wait it out. Good things take time.

X-frog has a light version and seems to render a bit faster. I have the same problem with the X-frog trees some are just way to large to manage reasonably in Vue. Vue4Pro has the tree editor and I find it can do a wonderful job creating new versions of trees that render fairly quickly. Of course the best thing to help renders is a faster processor or tons of patients. :O)

Yet another victim, well if you know who it is I sure hope something can be done about this type of thing in the future this has gone on way too long at this site with many victims. I sure hope some can take the sand out of their eyes to see how this can be very hurtful to the good people here. Sure it is easy to be apathetic and just not go there but until it happens to you I guess you really dont understand how hurtful it can be.

Well opinions like other things, everyone has one. Some want to stick their head in the sand and say who cares and I can understand that. Hey I just want to have fun and relax. I think we all want that. Others seem to want change or more options and that to me shows they care and are willing to advocate for it. I assure you my intentions have always been pure and I will always assist and help others in any way I can. However I feel this thread was bait and looks like we all took it. The only sad thing I see is the need to use others to feel important about ones self. That is very sad IMHO. I am not an advocate of ranking in any form. Constructive critics are more than welcome however. Adding a box that does not allow others to vote for an image to be in the hot 20 would most defiantly be check by me for sure. I think this subject has been beaten to death as always and of course there seems no real answer here at RR. Other sites have found fairly simple solutions but change may cost and it seems when that is the case it will not come easy if at all. In any case I wish RR luck in there endeavors and I am thankful for the start in CGA that was inspired by this site.

That is a good idea Meselfr I have done very much the same thing. If you can just get the alpha planes out of direct volumetric light it seems to be ok. I look forward to the solution of this problem and have mentioned it along with other beta testers to e-on so they know about it for sure.

Vue does have a problem in some volumetric situations with alpha planes. I know it is being worked on, but I have run into the same thing many times. I just don't use volumetric on anything that may be an alpha plane basically until there is a solution. Alpha Planes, Poser, Xfrog trees, have all given me problems in volumetric settings. So don't feel alone by any means. :O) I could be wrong but I doubt it perhaps enclude a picture of what you are working on to make sure it is the same problem if you like. Take care.

I really don't want to get into an immature justification match with the moderators in this forum. However, as I mentioned to choose is subjective. If you are choosing some piece of work that you feel deservers more attention than you think it received in the gallery then that would be very subjective plain and simple, some may even consider it favoritism. But you are the moderator and it is up to you to make the wise choice would be my guess. I would agree that doing away with ranking or rating an image would be a good idea. Constructive commentary for improvement or of approval of an image I find very helpful. However if you take away the ranking system then you may loose all the artists that do this for the attention and that may effect your bottom line. Perhaps as moderators a responsible approach would be to work with RR management and find a solution. Or check out other sites like RR that have solved this particular problem with ease. I think Im up to 75 cents by now . :O) Best regards.

The very fact this is a topic shows the need for this type of attention. RR obviously has flaws and leans more towards who is popular rather than what is good art if in fact you are even interested in the top 20. To me this new id seems to draw on popularity and quite a few ids that have no gallery but feel the need to vote for images based on popularity vs quality of art. However as pointed out to me by one artist, opinions are very subjective not objective. Some come here for the attention others for good art. Not only that, many come here to poke fun at software or certain artists or take advantage of this flaw in RRs website only to show how needed some folks can be. Friends vote for friends or only comment on artists they like, even in the famous back room you can see favoritism of art that some one feels should be noticed over other artwork. Again very subjective IMHO. So I guess you can say it is a matter of opinion and since RR has no desire to fix such flaws you either live with it or move on to other sites that are managed with more objective fairness. Vue is a fantastic program and has such flexibility in doing a wide range of artwork not just landscapes and deserves good representation by the websites like RR. These sites use the software name to draw in thousands of people to basically make money (50% or more) off the items in the stores however, may lack the responsibility to clean up problems in the forums. As long as the money comes in it seems RR will not be changing anytime soon. My 25 cents for what its worth. Regards

I'm not really sure but you might find some interesting plant life at www.planit3D.com regards.

RR is full of Trolls no surprise.

Looks like Nic already ask the question my apologies I didn't see that. Take care.