Blimey, sorry to see this news but glad the recovery has started well. I've watched someone recover from a stroke this year - it's gone from very grim to near full independence in less than nine months. Prospects are good nowadays.

All the best, Mr Bryster.

*"That New York Times link can only be read by subscribing or paying for it."

That's why I said "snippet". Enough can be gleaned from that to determine that scientific tales of melting doom have been around for ages. Oooh, there's another one out today:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6938356.ece

You'd think there was a climate / tax conference due or something.

BTW, I agree about keeping things civil, but if someone starts throwing desperate straw men like Nick Griffin into the argument they deserve ruthless ridicule.

*"Ok, well if folk wish to keep it political..doesn't the fact that the head of the UK's "British Nation Party"  is determined to go to the climate treaty as a naysayer, and shares your beliefs, make you PAUSE for a moment, hm?"

*Oh, nice. Well, if you want to play that game - here's Mr Griffin's view on certain recent events:
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"As such, the BNP is committed to withdrawing from the illegal and immoral wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the prosecution for war crimes of all Westminster officials who deliberately tricked this nation into those conflicts which have cost billions and at least 300 British lives."
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Sound familiar, silverblade33?

Now that I've called your cheap-shot, I'll raise you another. Guess who rants about the damage from global warming caused by Western nations:

• Sheikh Ayman al Zawahiri, second in command of al Qaeda.

Cheesy.

"odd how these documents came out JUST before a major climate change conference"

Interesting that your cynicism isn’t applied the other way – to the deluge of climate alarmist stories breaking in the run-up to Copenhagen. You soak up that barrage without question, yet the one story that pulls out the rug you regard with grave suspicion.

"These emails have not been verified as genuine."

Other than an out and out formal admission by University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU), they have been so verified. Many people directly involved in the email exchanges have come forward to offer verification, and not one single example of falsehood, not from the emails nor the code nor the data, has been claimed by CRU after more than a week.

"Yes the Artic IS warming or the ice pack wouldn't have mellted os much last year."

Arctic sea ice melted less last year than the year before, and it melted less this year than last year:

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

2007 was an extreme anomaly and the ice extent is now back within the decadal norm. The following page gives some interesting context to arctic sea ice conditions:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/#more-7368

Indeed, the arctic has been taking an awfully long time to conform to scientific predictions of meltage, as this archive snippet from 1934 shows:

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00815F6395A107A93CAAB178AD85F408385F9&scp=308&sq=arctic%20melting&st=cse

"If the climate change sby 2 degrees C or more in a century, be it by man made or any other cause, the death toll will probably be in the billions, fyi."

This is likely true. The historical record shows that low temperatures are disastrous for humanity, with millions dying from famine, pestilence and war, with whole cultures collapsing. Let’s hope that those predicting global cooling are wrong.

"This year will be one of the top five warmest years globally since records began 150 years ago, according to figures compiled by the Met Office."

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And from which outfit does the UK Met Office derive much of its information? Look up HadCRU if you’re curious. You need to know just how deep the Met Office is into chanting the AGW mantra before you go quoting them as evidence. The Met Office is part of the UK Ministry of Defence – it’s a government body trotting out the establishment political line (just like the BBC).

From the leaked emails of CRU, we have the private, behind the scenes opinion of one of the IPCC lead authors, Kevin Trenberth :

“… where the heck is global warming?... The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

The truth is these muppets took La Nina and El Nino into account when they made their IPCC predictions of sustained warming, but the predictions were falsified by observation. Their (peer reviewed!) theories and models are all wrong, and they haven’t got a clue what drives climate.

The icebergs off of New Zealand today broke away from the Ross ice shelf back in 2000, and that calving wasn’t related to “global warming”. You have to go all the way back to 1931 for a previous example. This should tell you that icebergs off of New Zealand are nothing new and predate significant fossil fuel derived CO2.

Asteroid modelled in Hexagon (herecy) with Bryce materials (redemption). No postwork.

Content of character.

Actually, it is a full moon tonight. :-)

Which reminds me of the old Tom Wolfe snippet paraphrasing the French reformed socialist writer Jean-François Revel, "who talked about one of the great unexplained phenomena of modern astronomy: namely, that the dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe."

C'est la vie, mon amis.

Wonderful! A post pointing out invasive monitoring by a "progressive" socialist European state enacting the laws generated by a "progressive" trans-national European socialist super-state, is instantly diverted into a circle jerk about George Bush and Donald Rumsfelt (sic), conservatives who after eight years of Hitler power have somehow neglected to introduce such measures in the USA.

This emotional jujitsu is called "denial".

And it's fantastically entertaining.

That's exactly right, Rayraz - when the car is facing the edge of the cliff. ;-)

*"...bitch running mate..."

Liberal progressiveness. Hope and change! LOL

Red froth. Superb. Any more?

Sorry Bryster but that's small potatoes and a bit old news. Probably a bit of spin to divert attention from this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439604.ece

Note that this is an EU directive that expands laws that have existed for over a decade. It applies to all EU states and effectively it means that any police force (or other government agency) anywhere in the EU can access a computer anywhere in the EU. All without a warrant. How "progressive"!

While it always delights me to see those infected with Bush Derangement Syndrome frothing at the mouth spouting ill informed comment (whatever will you do after the 20th?), it should be noted that this is not legal in the USA, unless one party to a communication is outside the USA.

Hey, top result! Congrats indeedee

Thanks for that link, nruddock. Most useful.

On the e-on page for Pioneer it says:

Vue 7 Pioneer is for home use only. For commercial use, please consider Vue 7 Esprit or higher.

It also says, regarding modules for Pioneer:

You can go all the way up to Vue 7 Complete - at your own pace!

Complete has a commercial license, so do you acquire one as you add modules. If so, where along the line? The lack of a commercial use license is a serious hobble - I wouldn't spend one cent on a module for Pioneer without knowing that restriction was lifted.

I'm a Brycer interested in moving to Vue, but ambiguous wording makes me tread cautiously.