There's a member of Renderosity that goes around trolling galleries. I've NEVER seen him write a nice comment on peoples work and it's always stupid comments. Never anything constructive. In fact one of his comments on my work was cleary copy and pasted. I know for a fact he goes around other peoples galleries too. It's not just me.

Thing is... If he gave proper constructive criticism then I would learn & grow, as I have done in the past. But this clearly isn't. And what's even more annoying is this guy hasn't even got a gallery!
 

What do we do? Do we just ignore or do we put in a complaint?

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you have to make a complaint to admin about it, as i believe it is against the tos.

i turned off my comments a couple of years ago when i had someone copy and paste the same comments on two of me piccies on the same day, nothing offensive but to me it was the same as getting no comments, i could see where you might end up saying the same thing as another image you commented on, but to copy and paste just seems pointless to me.

His comments aren't offensive. The ones he's put comments on in my gallery are "the bored fae" and "girlz making mischief"  The Girlz one I know he c&pasted the comment on cause he says my girls are nude and they clearly aren't. So I don't know if he would be said to be going against the TOS....

And Vince I know what you mean. I have a couple of comments that i know are c&pasted from people who aren't foreign. I can understand it like Ludy who doesn't speak english but to me it's just insulting. I may start turning comments off...though I do like constructive criticism and I do learn from it and have learnt from it.

When one has a continuous daily dose of some 200-300 ebots from rellow artists to come and look at their work, then yes, some might be tempted to automate their comments.  So, in my eyes, copyng and pastingisn't such a sin. -especially in light of the fact that much of the artwork here is also automated.
DPH

Yeah I get 200 ebots a day from fellow artists....but I never copy and paste. And not being funny but you may think peoples work is automated but it's their art. How they want it. I dislike the way people criticise someones work for things like that. It's pointless.

Atm I have 246 gallery notifications. I will look at them....and I can guarantee though my comments maybe short not one will be copy and pasted. I figure if people take the time to look at my picture and comment without c&ping I will do the same regardless. Just plain ole courtesy. If I don't have time I merely don't comment and apologise later.

I don't usually critise anybody's artwork, but if it does look runofthemill art to me, then I do occassionally copy and paste a runofthemill comment.
DPH

Well in that case rather than use a copy and pasted comment I would rather not comment at all. I agree not everyones art work is to everyones taste...but that persons put time and effort into a picture and I think it's insulting to do such a thing. It's as if you can't be bothered to take time out to leave a non c&pasted comment just because the picture isn't to your taste.

My automated comments were, and are, an effort to balace my time against the possibility that some might feel slighted if I didn't comment at all, -in which case, better a pasted recognition of effort rather than none whatsoever.
DPH

I have to agree with originalkitten on this one. If my picture seems mediocre to you, or you just hate it, why comment at all? "Nice work" means nothing to me. If you dislike it, tell me how to improve it. "Nice work, but your shadows look too dark and she looks like she is in pain"  is better than some blah comment. I rarely comment on anything unless it floors me,  because I have like 70 ebots (over 200? My God, I could never keep up! You are a brave Kitten!). Plus, if it sucks, and all I get are one line notes, how will I ever know what to improve? If my work is *&$% I wanna know, darn it! I don't even know who has me on their fav lists, I doubt it's very many, but If the ones who do watch me don't comment, I certainly don't feel slighted. I just hope they were so awed by my masterpiece they were at a loss for words :-)

-Sarah

Hello and good morning everyone.

In my own very humble opinion the fact that someone has cut and pasted a comment in your gallery, when requesting comments does not constitute trolling in and of itself. It is in my own opinion, dependant upon other factors as well, such as the content of the posts.

However that said, if you wish to make a formal complaint against another member, alleging trolling you may do so by emailing me at daidalos@renderosity.com

Or you may send such a formal complaint to me via sitemail here at Renderosity as well.

And as always such a complaint may also be sent to admin@renderosity.com

Please, if you do decide to file such a complaint remember to include at the very least the names of the images in your gallery where you feel the trolling comments were made. And if possible links to the images where you feel you have been trolled.

Please also include the name of the member you feel is trolling your gallery.
 
Upon receipt of such a complaint I along with other members of the staff will review the comments, and make a decision as to wether trolling has infact gone on. If it has we will take the appropriate action per the TOS to put a stop to it.

Have a great day today.

Kindest Regards,

Daidalos

If I say 'nice work' or some such take it as 'your creation has been noticed and not ignored'.

Love it, hate it but the biggest insult to an artist is to be ignored!

Not all comments are there to help you improve or to tear you down but sometimes just to acknowledge your skill.

Quote - Hello and good morning everyone.

In my own very humble opinion the fact that someone has cut and pasted a comment in your gallery, when requesting comments does not constitute trolling in and of itself. It is in my own opinion, dependant upon other factors as well, such as the content of the posts.

However that said, if you wish to make a formal complaint against another member, alleging trolling you may do so by emailing me at daidalos@renderosity.com

Or you may send such a formal complaint to me via sitemail here at Renderosity as well.

And as always such a complaint may also be sent to admin@renderosity.com

Please, if you do decide to file such a complaint remember to include at the very least the names of the images in your gallery where you feel the trolling comments were made. And if possible links to the images where you feel you have been trolled.

Please also include the name of the member you feel is trolling your gallery.
 
Upon receipt of such a complaint I along with other members of the staff will review the comments, and make a decision as to wether trolling has infact gone on. If it has we will take the appropriate action per the TOS to put a stop to it.

Have a great day today.

Kindest Regards,

Daidalos

The thread has trailed off somewhat. My original post wasn't about copy and pasting. Hell I wouldn't start a thread over that. What I'm saying is this particular individual is going around peoples galleries making derogatory comments on work just for the sake of trolling. He doesn't make constructive critiscism.

The point I was making about him copying and pasting was to my girls making mischief image http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1719290 You can clearly see that the guy has stated my girls are nude when they clearly are not. That is why I think this is a copy and pasted comment. What I meant was he is pasting the same derogatory comment whether looking at the picture or not.....the thread then trailed off.

As I said I don't mind constructive critiscism. Even if copy and pasted. As I learn from it and grow. And I have. I'm not the best artist in the world but hell I hate comments that are clearly trolling. I know he has trolled a lot of the "top" artists here  too. 

I even wrote to him my comment which I've put there. It's obviously either not been read or deleted as it shows as not read in my sent mail.

So to stress the point I am making is NOT the fact he is c&p comments but the fact he is going around the galleries trolling people for no reason other than pure trolling. The point I made about c&p was totally irrelevant to my complaint except the fact he used a c&p comment to troll.

Hell this is complicated. Im sorry I asked now.

Since their costums are somewhat skimpy, being merely a bunch of oak leaveas tied together, some might actually think them nude.  For myself, I think their rather cute.
I myself have occassionally been on the receiving end of assinine comments.  Since it's a free country, I generally don't get too worked about it, for as far as I see it, their low opinion of my art is simply that, an opinion.  There is no law that requires me to give it any more credence than necessary.
DPH

I'm not bothered by what he said...it's the fact he is going around trolling peoples galleries. Hell if he had turned around and said I hate your picture because I think such and such is crap...blah blah blah... then I'd have taken what he said in and worked on it. I just don't think it's right this guy gets his kicks out of going round peoples galleries writing comments that just don't mean anything except to troll.

well, never lacking an opinion...figure I might as well throw mine into the mix too.
If I were you, I would just blow it off and continue creating the great images you do.
Maybe do one with one of those suicidegirlz stomping on the DAZ troll or something ... you know, some metaphorical violence.

Lmao Dave. I would but I can't use the SG anymore....would be illegal to use them :O(

Uh, the comment you seem to be talking about, from "theDugan", is merely honest.  I realize the culture here is one of mutual backpatting, but the rare blunt and honest "emperor has no clothes" comment should be treasured, not something to complain to admin about.

You're missing the point. He was not giving constructive criticism at all. Where in that line can you see any constructive criticism....and yeah if he did it just to me.... that line..then fair enough..but he does it to tons of people. I purposely left his name out on purpose btw and I wasn't complaining to admin. If I was I would have written to them direct. That was a derogatory comment. Just like he leaves on everyones inc top artists. Ive had tons of emails regarding this and there is no way I would have come "crying" unless I thought I had a valid point. As I've stressed before I've learnt from criticism... I'm on dA where you can talk to people back and forth about comments and I've learnt tons. I'm also on the critique list here..so I can assure you I am not whinging about a nasty comment. I've been here for years and this is the first time I've ever complained about anyone. And fyi the majority of people who comment on my work I do not know. I do not back pat...and I hope people don't do the same. If they do then I would prefer they didn' t comment on my work.

And again..... my girls were not nude... and ..show me one other pic from the people who commented before him that looked like that???? I don't copy off anyone. I do my own work.

Quote - That was a derogatory comment.

There is nothing in his/her comment that is derogatory at all, it is merely not flattering.  It's not "nasty" or even "meaningless".  If you're ready to complain to site admin about something as innocuous as "it ain't that original a composition" - well, maybe you should stick to just showing your work to your mom.  **It's a public gallery after all.
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edit: it's very sad when users here need to fear the admin team's reprisals for making a blunt, non-flattering comment.

Once again, I never complained to the site admin at all did I? I merely posted a thread asking a question.  I never mentioned his name. YOU DID.

It is derogatory. He insinuated I did that picture for titilation.I don't do pictures for titallation. He insinuated my girls were nude when they were not. They were quite clearly dressed. He didn't even look at the picture properly. He said that everyone who had commented before me did images the same as me. Not one person did an image the same as me. 

Again...your missing my point. I have said again... and again...and again. I don't mind constructive criticism....but where on earth in that comment was constructive criticism??? Please point it out and I'll learn and grow. As I have done in the past. but if you're going to insult me then please refrain from commenting. I have shown you nothing but respect and expect the same in return.

Well, earlier you did say:

Quote - So I don't know if he would be said to be going against the TOS....

I may have misunderstood you here, but it seems to me that you're looking at the Terms of Service here (enforced by the Admin team) and wondering if the user in question has violated it.  The logical conclusion is that you're considering asking the admin team to take some enforcement action against the user in question.  Seemed cut and dried to me, but sometimes I am a little slow on the uptake.

Seriously, you're talking about an image of two expressionless girls in the same standing pose (forearms and hands are intersecting by the way) rendered in front of a bitmap.  You think it is insulting to have someone tell you that that isn't a very original composition?

Hi Originalkitten

Yep!  He's trolling...and it seems you've become one of his targets.  I think you did the right thing by asking him not to post comments.

That was a reply to someones suggestion.. The only reason I would even think of suggesting going to the admin was because I have emails from people stating they have seen him troll other people and he is known for it.

If I wanted to report him or make a name and shame I would have posted his name. You posted his name. Not me.

First of all I know it's not a fantastic piece. The bit about original composition has not been mentioned by me at all. YOU again are the one who keep bringing that up. Don't we all do images that aren't such original compositions? Secondly their hands are not intersecting. I checked it with the Rhand/lhand camera and they do not intersect. They are in front of each other but ty I will take more care when doing it. Thirdly it was a fun pic. Not to be taken seriously. Fourthly it was not rendered in front of bitmap. I never render in front of bitmaps thank you so please do not assume.  I will show you the stages that picture took me. I spent over 4 hours on that in postwork. Just because it's black & white does not mean I hit a black & white filter and voila.  From your criticism you sound like you are Picasso. People always told me people in glasshouses should never throw stones.

Again my point is being missed by you. I still see no constructive criticism in his comments that he's left on my work.  Ever. Or anyone else's galleries he has left comments in that I've noticed. Go on a gallery tour and you will see. Maybe it's just me. Because I am polite to people even if I am giving criticism I am still polite. I would never be so rude on someones work no matter how bad or crap or boring it was but if I could see ways to improve that image to help a person grow I would. Thats my point!

Anyway for some reason you seem to dislike me. 

Ty Patorak.

I didn't think I was being whingy or crying over a negative comment. I've posted a lot of images and had 100's of negative comments in my time and this is the first time I've said anything at all. And it was only the fact others came to me and said they had seen other bad comments on other pages that made me post.

I think if I was whinging over a negative comment I'd go find the worst comment I've ever had and moan about that but that comment probably had constructive criticism hence the reason no word from me!

Quote - The bit about original composition has not been mentioned by me at all. YOU again are the one who keep bringing that up.

Uh, that was the comment that provoked your complaint thread here in the first place.

Quote - Anyway for some reason you seem to dislike me. 

I initially had no opinion about you at all, but seeing your sustained and highly negative response to basic honesty, maybe I'd better move along.

He made several comments in one post. That particular bit about the composition was not the point I made as you well know.

Again your missing the point. I am never negative about honest CONSTRUCTIVE comments.

Fair enough. Nice meeting you :O)

Ah...I don't think you're being " whinny " either.

To me his comment on " The Bored Fae"  is what struck me as trolling.  I wasn't a critique per se about lighting,  composition,  and continuity,  etc.  The comment was aimed at the chosen subject.  One never criticizes the subject only how the subject is presented. 

originalkitten :)
Don't comment back at PJz- she's allways been a member of  the anti-nudity moral commision. She's of a same mind as the troll poster.

Please- don't feed the animals, lol :P

There- when a gaff is inconveniently telling the truth, well....

Well geoegress while I actually disagree with Pjz in this instance and am also of the mind that the guy was trolling, not providing anything constructive and just plain being rude - you are way off the mark in claiming that HE (pjz) is a member of any anti nudity moral club. 

Did you even LOOK at his gallery before making a comment like that?  It's just laughable.

I didn't read everything pjz wrote in this thread, but it seems I agree with him more often than not, and what I read here, I agreed with, particularly this:

Quote -
  it's very sad when users here need to fear the admin team's reprisals for making a blunt, non-flattering comment.

This place already has more than enough heavy-handed moderation and censorship based on unjustified fear and paranoia (while conveniently failing largely to extend that to the MP offerings, but I digress...), and it doesn't need any more of that.

I didn't "research" the subject at hand here which originalkitten is not whining about, meaning I didn't look over the gallery, find the supposed "trolling", and look for more examples elsewhere...

So, bearing in mind my "disclaimer" here, I submit this for your collective thought:

What does it matter anyway?
Really, it's a public forum, and the second you upload something with comments turned on, you're opened up to any kind of abuse imaginable. Your mind can turn a tactless comment into a trolling flamefest at will, and subconsciously, and then you can also suddenly see it everywhere you want to find it.

Simple solution: no comments allowed. if that's not acceptable, then be prepared for the worst, and just blow it off.
You never know - this place has alot of people from alot of places, many of whom can only marginally communicate in English, and not everything is necessarily what it appears to be.

If it says on the comments thing, "both critical and non-critical comments are welcomed", you have to accept that the term "non-critical" encompasses both fawning praise AND tactless, mindless assessment.
Just because something may appear to be tactless, mindless assessment, doesn't necessarily qualify it as trolling.

Now, suppose someone simply types, "this sux"... does that qualify as trolling? Probably. Erring on the side of caution I'd say yes.
What if they said "this sux because it's not original"? is that trolling? That would seem a little less clear, to me.

In the end though, again, I ask, what does it really matter, anyway?
Feel sorry for someone who is genuinely trolling the galleries, revel in the fact he's probably some mutant slug who has so little a life he's reduced to renderosity gallery trolling for entertainment, or whatever else, but in the big scheme of things, it matters so little it's not even worth getting upset over. if your art is good, people will see that, and the troll's comments mean nothing. if your art is good and you know it, the trolls comments shouldn't do anything but amuse you. Wear it as a badge of honor, parade the comments around and enjoy the laughs you can make others get out of it.

Finally, if the worst thing that happens to you all day is someone leaves a negative comment on one of your images, you're not doing too badly after all. ;-)

I wasn't addressing this directly to originakitten, just putting it out there generally.

Mike, I have to agree with you on this one.
Even this thread, starting out pretty innocent and all, had a couple of flame throws to heat it up a bit.
Sometimes you just have to say fuck it. Those were words of wisdom offered to me one day when I was getting upset about shit beyond my control.

Just saying "fuck it" is one of the most useful things you can do for yourself, in a whole lot of situations, certainly not limited to an online art gallery.

For example, say you're late on prepping your income taxes. Oh well, fuck it.

Well, that might not be the best example, but you get the idea. ;-)

The Op has been advised to contact the admin if they have a complaint.

On more than one occasion now, and has clearly chosen not to do so.

Given that, and the fact that the TOS does infact still state the following:

Members/Users will not use this community for:

Any practices that affect the normal operations of the community (Admins will take whatever steps are necessary to restore service).
 

• Transmitting any libelous, defamatory, or any other material that could give rise to any civil or criminal liability under the law.
• Personal attacks. This includes but is not limited to, destructive, abusive, defamatory communications in any form, and retaliatory attacks from personal attacks. If you need assistance, please communicate with someone from our Renderosity Team.
• Destructive commentary/communications made with the intent to disrupt or attack (Trolling). This applies to any communications within this community, whether in the forums, art galleries, graffiti wall, chat, blogs, sitemail or article opinions.
• Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are sexually explicit , and/or pornographic in nature.

This thread has now been locked for further moderation by the staff.

Regards,
Daidalos
Renderosity Staff