I'm liking a lot of the features of Vue7, but the Poser shaders appear to be wrongly interpreted, and totally different from how they are in Vue6 Infinite - the results are for me just unusable.

Also, Bump / Displacement is not interpreted at all, and Dynamic hair still uses so many resources that it's (for me, at any rate) still totally unusable (since Vue5 Infinite).

Does anyone else have similar problems with Vue7 Complete, or is it just me?

It would also interest me a lot to know if these problems exist in Vue7 Infinite.

Rob

on the left, hand tweaked Vue materials, on right, Poser shader tree materials.

see tutorial in my signature, for how to :)

I've seen this issue with V7 import of Poser shader tree mentioned in the forums several times. It also appears to occur with V7i. This does appear to be a bug - I'm not sure if it affects all users - I can't remember if it's just on the Mac - are you on a Mac?

:biggrin:  silverblade, fellow scot, I don't really want to get into a discussion on the relative merits of Poser and Vue materials, I use both of them. I'm surprised that you say the Poser shaders suck - they don't, as you'd see if you looked in my gallery - some are using Vue, others Poser shaders.

My point is this:- If Vue7 is sold as being able to use the Poser shaders (not just textures) then it should do that. My experience is that it doesn't, at least in the Complete Version and I would like to hear from others who have used Poser shaders in previous releases of Vue with success and are having similar problems in 7 as me - or not... and whether that is Complete or Infinite.

orrabest
Rob

@ sangelico, no I'm using a PC. I had a look for similar Problems here but haven't been able to find any as yet. If you look at my green lady above, it mostly seems to affect skin - maybe something to do with sss - don't know.

I still can't lodge the problem at e-on because Complete still doesn't show up there as being registered to me, although it is registered at Cornucopia.

I hope that the problems will be sorted before 7.5, because that is a pay-for upgrade, and I remember reading somewhere that issues with PoserPro etc. will first be corrected in 7.5 (somebody please correct me if I've got the facts wrong).

Rob

Th,
bah, heretic! humbug! ;) lol

well I generally don't find them nearly as good, but to each his own :)

What are you running Vue oin, Mac or PC?
I've still got a few bugs with V7 infinite on PC, but nothing terrible.

SSS is often odd. I isually have to be careful to split off EVERYTHING that's "skin", form other model parts, then weld them together, to get it ok
also, can go nuts when messing with odd coloured lights or adjusting the OVERALL COLOUR colour chip in material editor

This shader problem is a biggie, I've reported it to e-on and they are aware of it, it's worse with V4 and M4. I'm using a pc so it's not a MAC thing!
I've gone back to using Vue6Infinite because of it, Poser figures are totally unusable in 7Infinite, all the textures are coming out just like yours, a kind of horrible green colour!!
You should raise a ticket at e-on, the more complaints they get, the quicker they'll get it sorted!

That's my point - I can't raise a ticket - it doesn't let me select Vue7 Complete, only the 5 and 6 Infinites which are registered to me. Complete is registered at Cornucopia, there doesn't appear to be communication between the two sites yet. And when I try to register it manually at e-on,Vue7 Complete isn't on the list
I CAN submit a contact to a Sales Rep, but that doesn't raise a support ticket - it also looks as if they're closed at the moment, I submitted a request about Upgrade pricing from Complete to Infinite on the 20th, it's still unanswered (it is the festive season, after all! :-))

Rob

I've never had issues with Poser Shaders before in 6Infinite, always come out great for me too.
Vue7Infinite though is having serious issues with the Hulk appearing in every render!!
I've gone back to using 6 for now until they get this sorted in 7.

I've just thought, I wonder if it's the latest patch because I'm sure I never had this issue when I first got 7 Infinite, think I'll try rolling back the update  to see if that sorts it!!

Quote - That's my point - I can't raise a ticket - it doesn't let me select Vue7 Complete, only the 5 and 6 Infinites which are registered to me. Complete is registered at Cornucopia, there doesn't appear to be communication between the two sites yet. And when I try to register it manually at e-on,Vue7 Complete isn't on the list
I CAN submit a contact to a Sales Rep, but that doesn't raise a support ticket - it also looks as if they're closed at the moment, I submitted a request about Upgrade pricing from Complete to Infinite on the 20th, it's still unanswered (it is the festive season, after all! :-))

Rob

I've had a reply to my note about upgrades from Complete to Infinite, (answer is "not at this time") but if enough people hassle them about it, they might create an upgrade path.

Yeah seems damned silly not to have that sidegrade path, I agree with you, but IMHO, they have WAY too many stupid bloody different bits and bobs and versions!!

Would save EVERYONE a lot of time and money if they reduced the number of versions to 4 again:
basic (cheap intro $50), ordinary (like Studio $200), infinite (but around $400) and Xstream ($700 and obviously meain reason is for integration with other apps)

it must be COSTING them money with so many products, so many purchases, hassles, customer issues etc, that tighter family of products would be better in the long run?

It's just a WIP - the light is bad, the render quality is bad, the composition is bad, the props are bad, I'm just posting it for you to see the poser shaders running in Vue 7 Infinite.

Vista Home Premium 64bits, 8GB.

Is that V3 or 4?
The Hulk only appears for me with V4 and M4 and not with every texture/character pack, it's normal with all the others!!
For instance ericfarris characters work fine but rebelmommy's don't, but there are significantly more that don't work than do!
e-on have admitted to a problem with this so I guess you're just lucky eh!

Aha, can you roll back to 37138 or have you gone too far to go back now??

No, I'm keeping the 38524 and wait until they fix this. I have many other images currently on my queue and 3 simultaneously in progress, so no big deal for me, I'll just work on another one. Other things seem to work fine.

Quote - ...for coincidence, in one of the images I'm currently working on I'm using poser shaders.
...It's just a WIP - the light is bad, the render quality is bad, the composition is bad, the props are bad...

SHOWOFF!!

Dude, I would SO welcome your "light is bad, composition is bad", etc... render into my gallery if I was able to render something equivalent in quality!

Seriously, though: it shows me how very much I need to improve. ; )
I find your "bad" render extremely lovely in many areas.
And I would love to be able to do a "good" render one day, as good as your "bad"!   :P

@ thefixer looks like you hit the nail on the head! 

@ Rutra - Thanks for taking the time to test this with different builds in Infinite. Have you raised a ticket?

@ craftycurate - oh. I still haven't got a reply. When did you submit your note?

Rob

Quote - "Have you raised a ticket?"

No, not yet but I'm not sure if it's worth it because thefixer says e-on is aware of the problem. thefixer, are you sure they're aware? If not, I'll make them be. :-)

(@angelsinger: thanks, you're too kind. :-))

They've just released build 38524 as a Beta but Rutra's already tried it and as you can see, the Hulk is still very much in residence [LOL].
I could go back to the original as I've only upgraded once but I can't remember what was bad in the previous version, I think that crashed a lot so I'll stick to Vue6Infinite until they sort this out!!
Cheers all!

Rutra: Lee Randall said he was passing it to the developer team so I took that to mean "they are aware" but you may have a better idea!! [LOL].

Yes, that's being aware in my book too. :-) LOL

I must admit to never using the poser shaders - I always figured they were optimised for firefly and they look a bit suspect to me when I render them.  I usually use SkinVue anyway which crosses fingers should solve the problem.  I actually broke down and got myself Vue 7 infinite for an Xmas pressie :) only trouble is - I have a horrible feeling it's going to be delivered when I'm away for the next 2 days weep so I'd best get over to C3D and get the SkinVue 7 wishlisted :)

Nice bit of ZBrushing there Rutra :)

( @ Angelsinger - I dunno, your gallery looks pretty good to me!)

Using Skinvue might get over the issue Frank but it doesn't change the fact that this is another major cock up from e-on. Some of us prefer the Poser Shaders and get them to look how we want, this mess effectively leaves us with a rather expensive software package that is unusable if we want a Poser figure in the scene!
I still love Vue, don't get me wrong but this is getting a bit tiresome with every release of Vue being a cock up!!
Vue6 had major problems initially and you would have thought they'd have learnt from it, but it appears not!!
Far too often we,  the customers are left with finding workarounds for stuff that should be basic to the working of the app.

Attached Link: http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/lindans1417/Vuecompletescreenshot.jpg

Hmm, My camera comes in same as Vue6 Infinite and to be perfectly honest, the only problem I have with Vue7Infinite at the minute is the "Hulk" issue with Poser shaders, this appeared after the first update, it was fine up till then!

The professional and hobbyist versions have different default camera settings. In the professional, the camera faces north, in the hobbyist versions it faces northwest-ish. This has been like this at least since version 6. About the terrain problems, I don't know.

But for both situations I think you can define a standard scene and have Vue always start with it. I mean, define a scene with the camera and the terrain exactly as you like and save it as default (File -> Options -> Set default scene).

Quote - The professional and hobbyist versions have different default camera settings. In the professional, the camera faces north, in the hobbyist versions it faces northwest-ish

Any idea why e-on did that? It just seems strange...

hmm!! Vue Complete doesn't have the option to set default scene .
Ahh well, I suppose that's what you get for going for the cheapest option I am sure e-on will sort it out in time.

Quote - @ thefixer looks like you hit the nail on the head! 

@ Rutra - Thanks for taking the time to test this with different builds in Infinite. Have you raised a ticket?

@ craftycurate - oh. I still haven't got a reply. When did you submit your note?

Rob

About a week ago, but apparently Eon staff have been given 28th Dec to 4th Jan off.

Surprise, surprise, here is the answer from e-on on the Hulk issue!!

*We have installed M4 & V4.2 on PoserPro, generated pz3 files using the default figure for each, and successfully imported them into Vue 7. Did you use other textures than the default ones? IF you did, can you please indicate us which textures you used? Thank you very much.

*In other words, we're all talking out of our arses again!!
Not holding out much hope of this being sorted quickly!!
Makes me sick all the time this, same shit from e-on, it's ok here, bollocks it's crap!!

What version of Poser are you using? I use Poser6. Maybe PoserPro is different???
Are e-on using shaders or just textures? The texture used is irrelevant, it's the shaders.

• For example, if I create a scene with two spheres, one with skin shader and the other with, say, a diffuse colour of red, and import the scene in Vue7 Complete, then the red sphere comes in identical to a red Vob sphere - but the skin shader doesn't come in correctly. Interestingly enough, it wasn't green in this case, but was definitely not correct. Also interesting is that the smooth shaded viewports show it much nearer to what it should be.
  I lodged a ticket as soon as my account at e-on showed Vue7 Complete, but as yet have received no reply.

Rob

I also have problems with Poser import (even with the latest update). I'm not using any Poser shader and I use Poser7 (not the Pro version). Vue7 is also considerably slower on opening a scene which opens normally in Vue6I. And a lot of time Vue7 crashes when opening a Vue6I scene including a Poser scene or when importing a Poser scene from P7. I sent a new ticket to e-on. I really LOVE Vue si I hope they will fix the Poser import.

Thefixer
Oi, do you realize how many possible combinations of PC build there are? then add in different Poser and Vue builds that can cause problems...

And folk wonder WHY there are bugs? :p

if things are ok for them, and not for you, perhaps the problem resides in some difference between the systems
for example, maybe it's due to external Runtimes in Poser?
Is it due to a different version of Poser?
or MAC vs PC ?

I've never worked in software support, but hardware support taught me it's a totally frustrating HORROR trying to fix things ;)
Much of the time it's something damned simple and obvious, but in a way, part etc, you don't expect or see.

Or the user does something incredibly dumb and breaks it ("Well, installing EVERYTHING off CDs you got with 10 cheap magazines, to see what they do, will tend to bugger yer system up, like we told you LAST WEEK after you did it, this time, you're gonna have tto pay for our time!" jeesh, seen that lol)

Silverblade, I'm fully aware there are many different builds out there, I'm also fully aware that I'm not the only one with the HULK issue.
As it happens I have had an explanation today from e-on that satisfies me somewhat!!

It doesn't change the fact that this is an issue that should never arise, this isn't down to different pc builds or specs, it's down to an incompatability between Poser pro and Vue7Infinite, that's the official line from e-on!! Because of that it affects Poser 5, 6 and 7 also.

Now excuse me, but if you advertise that these two play nice together and have done for years then this issue shouldn't be there, period!!

You write as if I have no experience with either software or computers, well sorry to disappoint you I have years of experience in both and don't do "incredibly dumb" things with computers and software, I actually do know what I'm doing around these things!!

Maybe you are fortunate enough to be able to afford buying expensive software that doesn't work right, I do not, and let's face it, it's not the first time e-on have screwed up a new version, look what happened with version 6, how many of us [you included] bought better systems to be able to use it properly, it's just not good enough every time they release a new version!!

thefixer,
I did not reffer to you in that tone. I was relating a RL experience, which was amusing, and also, ironically true of all of us!!

how often have any of us installed something, like antivirus, only to find it kludged up EVERYTHING else, hm? ;)
Norton comes ot mind there.... :tt2:

Vue5 Infintie sucked, it took 6 months for it to become stable, ughhhhh!

No I can't afford, if it doens't work, but this and gaming are about all I have left.
I realize it's just software, it ain't life or death. I know it's a son of a bitch for the E-On folk to fix. I know they don't have the money thus staff to have a bazillion guys fixing stuff.
I do know they listen and fix thiungs, from reporting bugs to 'em myself.

If you are a studio/commercial enterprise you should buy the commercial maintenance plan, if not, and we have some bugs, so what? Does Vue WORK? well yes. It screws up the Poser textures, so use Vue materials instead :)

the difference between folk who have little problems, and a lot of them, is so profound there must be a common cause.
I'd suspect one is a serious memory leak they've had since Vue5 infinite, it seems ot have went down as they fix things, and up with each new full version.

Hence I can load a complex scene at say 75%, resources and then it goes down to 45% in a short time.

least with 8 gig RAM, you can not only load such scenes, but the memory leak seems lessened.
Somehow it seems tied to OPENGL in Vue.
I'd suggest you go to wireframe mode in your displays and try that? :)

Silverblade: I don't have any memory issues, except in my ageing grey matter [LOL]. I'm on 8 Gig like yourself!!
The only issue I have with Vue7 is the HULK, nothing else, but for me it is a BIG issue. I don't like Vue's skin textures and I can't afford skinvue7 after paying all this dosh for Vue7Inf [LOL].
No, I will hope they fix this as a priority issue!!

 Quote from the fixer
As it happens I have had an explanation today from e-on that satisfies me somewhat!!

and what was it pray tell?

See Below:

*Vue 7 Infinite uses a different SDK since the first update because the first release still used Vue 6 Infinite poser SDK, which wasn't compatible with Poser Pro, and there still was the problem of dynamic clothing & hair that weren't properly supported on the Mac platform.

We clearly understand that regarding your problem, this new SDK is a step back compared with Vue 6 one, but it also fixes other problems and ensures compatibility with latest Poser versions. We'll work along with Poser development team to fix this problem asap.

*They do need to make this s top priority fix though IMO!!

 interesting.
I actually haven't noticed the green issue.
I have to use poser shaders because I am tooning, and I use Olivier's toon shaders mostly in poser, but sometimes I need outdoor scenes, and the shaders actually do import not too badly into vue.
Love esther

Thefixer,
oh, Itoo few brain cells is an issue I know only to well...rattles self with NERF hammer! :p
lol.

Meh that kind of stuff is one reaosn I didn't upgrade form Psoer 6 :(
I love what Poser can give us, but Poser itself is one kludgey, completely skewed piece of poo, in so many ways, ugh.

I dont' see anyway anyone could fix it and make it truly sustainable in the long term.
Issues being
-scale, Poser uses an arbitrary and crazy scaling system, rather than Real World Units.
-lack of seperation of Pose and other things such as MATs, in the Libraries...don't you just HATE having to wade through th Pose library to find an actual bloody pose?! lol.

Pesky very dern pesky :/

Quote - Oi, do you realize how many possible combinations of PC build there are? then add in different Poser and Vue builds that can cause problems...

And folk wonder WHY there are bugs? :p

So, if there are so few different combinations of Macintosh computers, why do they have all the bugs? :biggrin:

Because they build it for PCs, and then the port to MAC...but they have only "x" amount of software engineers
They not only have to make bug fixes for PC, but work out a completely different platform!

So while I know yer being humorous ;) at the end of the day, folk need ot see the realities.
Bigger companies have the same problems, but they have more staff to fix these woes.

Go read the forums for other apps...

 "So, if there are so few different combinations of Macintosh computers, why do they have all the bugs?"

because they have a long track history of bugs and they are slow to understand them.  

I don't care how many are on staff it is no excuse with all the money I've given to them.

Some of the bugs in vue are easy to fix and 10 years old, but e-on refuses to take the time to fix them.   There is no reason for these ancient bugs to exist.  

Does anyone at e-on care at all?  I wonder?

CobraEye, I'm curious, what 10 year old bugs are you talking about?

 well one example of an old bug, previous versions of vue used to import dynamic clothes, then for a long time that stopped working on macs.
It might be fixed now. I haven't tried recently.
Love esther