I would like to start off by asking if the issue of pivot points not saving from one save to the next has been repaired?

Was rigging on the Wall Clock I just released and had to revert to Poser 9 to get it finished as the service pack 3.1 was not allowing me to set a pivot point for the hour and minute hand and have them be in the right location the next time I loaded the figure.

Has that been fixed in the latest service pack?

Tom

Please add any other issue you are having here in this thread and maybe they will be a help to Smith Micro. As you can tell I hate bug report pages as they are a huge pain in the but. Not just at Smith Micro but at Auto Desk as well, the makers of 3D Studio Max.

So it is e-mail or a post group for me.  :-)

So far so good in Poser 2012 with out using any of the service packs, as I am afraid to try any of them now.

Pivots on the wheels of my crane are staying put.

Even saved over the top of the previous version, which is a easy way to tell if the proof is in the pudding, albeit a dangerous one. Just a simple rigg so no real danger, just trying to work through this issue one step at a time before I work production on City Block Twelve.

Tom

there was some thread here in re: how to ensure that object origins could be changed and saved with a file, but I can't find the link.

It should be automatic when you save a file, like it is with out using the service pack.

Just trying to find out if the issue is resolved in the new service pack before I even think about using it.

Still working okay in Poser 2012 Pro with zero service packs. The other fixed issue are still there like the Libtrary window going whitw when I type in a numerical field. Not a huge deal breaker but it was fixed if I remember correctly.

Tom

I have a problem with Parenting a prop with SP3.

Seems to work ok if the prop is a Figure (with body), but not a simple prop like a cup or bottle parented to left or right hand.

The prop flys off axis even though the rotations still read 0.
Same thing happens if you drag the prop to parent in the Hiarchy menu.

I have to do all parenting in a non SP3 version and then back to SP3.

Poser 2012 Win 64 with no other SP installed other than SP3.

Hi Miss nancy,

Thanks a lot for the post!

That is very encouraging to me, as I really like poser 2012 much better than poser 9.

So many more features for a developer. As an example the Force Limits check box on any of the transform dialog boxes. Saves having to open the .pp2 or .cr2 in a text editer and manually find and set a 0 to a 1.

So the pivot I see in this image is in a new location form the place it was when you loaded the .obj file? Just want to be sure before I take the leap.

Thanks again for the post. :-)

Tom

when  poser hi-res ball is loaded,  default origin = (0,0,0).  when origin is made visible and animatable in properties, it can be moved to a new pivot point, which is saved with file or prop in the most recent poser version(s).  if some versions don't do this, it may be another bug related to prop naming on loading or export, to which les referred.

I double-checked.  when poser saves a prop in a pz3 file or to a prop library, the reloaded file or prop retains the altered prop origin.  however, when exporting the prop as wavefront obj, then importing it, origin is reset to default, in the case of the poser hi-res ball.  the wavefront obj export format produces a text file describing the surface (e.g. vertex 3d co-ordinates, UVmap co-ordinates, order) but contains no info on origin, as it's not a solid.  hence the easy way to save these is as pz3 or pp2 file.  I can't say it's a bug, as they're limited by the wavefront format.  maybe one of the other non-poser formats saves origin on export.

Ineed to make a clarification I guess.

import an obj to poser2012 pro

save as a figure

load the figure from the poser root

save the figure im my runtime folder

set the new pivots

save as the same figure in my runtime or as a new name in my runtime

open a new scene

load the figure from my runtime

pivot points are back to where they started.

That is the issue I have with the service packs.

Also noticing that the pivots are in a non centered on the bounding box when I import in the first place.

Such as the drive wheels on my crane. In the side view the drive wheels which are round the pivot point on import is at the top of the bounding box, which is different than any version of Poser up till now.

Tom

then it's a question in re: cr2 file.  does it look like this when repositioning the pivot points? if so, this should allow joint adjustments to be saved.

Not sure what you are talking about in your question.

Tom

I've got no further questions.  just submit your bug report thru the proper channels, and they may wish to see some screen shots.

PP2012 can become unresponsive if you have Multi-threaded Bending turned on. As I have a quad core machine, I only noticed it when loading a Genesis figure via DSON, but, as a general rule of thumb it's best to turn it off.

It's also worth uninstalling it and reinstalling it when a service release comes out. Last night, I uninstalled and reinstalled PP2012 and then only installed SR3.1 and it all runs a lot more smoothly. Stuff getting overwritten time after time probably messes things up so a clean install is likely to be better.

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Something else you can check in Windows 7 is if you truly have the program running as administrator. Although if you click the 'Advanced' tab under properties on the shortcut you can select 'Run as administrator', I don't think this truly runs the program itself as an administrator.

If you go into the Program Files directory for PP2012 and click the PoserPro.exe file, bring up properties and look at the Compatibility tab. Where it says Privelege Level, check 'Run as administrator' there and the program itself and not just the shortcut is running as administrator.

I tried it on PP2012 and it launches far quicker than it used to. I also tried it on other programs that were slow and they were better too.

Try it for yourselves

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I have been seeing and still am seeing a possible bug when Poser writes a .cr2 or a .pp2

In the materials sometimes there are a lot of these strings which seem to be going around in circle.

:Runtime:Geometries:Dreamland_Models:2005Mustang:..:..:..:textures:dreamland_models:2005mustang:

Should read like this.

 :Runtime:textures:dreamland_models:2005mustang:

Every time I re-save a version of a figure or a prop, Poser writes it the wrong way again and I have to do a (search and replace all)  for the .cr2 or the .pp2 in a text editor. ( TextPad, a programmers note pad program)

Sure  sounds like a bug to me. has been happenning for at least

for Poser 2012 Pro

Poser 9 and don't remember if it was happening in Poser8 or 7.

Darn old brain of mine. :-)

It is repeatable, as it happens every time I save a prop, or a figure.

Tom

That really does sound like something Smith Micro should be aware of, they can't fix bugs if they don't know about them.

File a report with them and then, if they fix it, and perhaps release a fix, everybody can benefit from it.

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I still it think it's weird that closing the group editor causes Poser to move to the background when I have other apps open.  The first time it happened I thought it was a PTD (poof to desktop crash), but no, the program just decided to promote another app's window for no apparent reason.

The Symmetry for IK enabled limbs doesn't work, either left to right or right to left, for both arms and legs, when IK is on PP 2012 won't do it correctly, it will apply the symmetry to the shoulder and forearm but not the hand, same with the legs, it will copy the thigh and shin symmetry from one leg to the other but not the feet, this however can be solved turning IK off but this is a waste of time at least for me since I like to work on posing with IK turned on at all times, and this started happening since the first SR.

Also the Undo option from the Edit menu will not catch all the changes or it "forgets" all the changes made from time to time.

What gives?

I also have a problem with PoserPro2012. Whenever I delete something (figure or prop), my preview window is broken. Only a small fraction of the screen at the right side is updated. Changing camera position or zooming makes this obvious.

I first thought it's a problem of my video driver, but after 2 updates I still have the same problem. Then I thought it's my graphics hardware, but now I have changed that (from GTX 470 to GTX 680), still the same problem. I had it for PoserPro2012 initial version through all service packs. Does anyone have the same problem, or any hint what further possible reason it could have? The problem is reproducable, and it persists until I switch to the Render tab and back to Preview. Then I'm fine until I delete the next figure / prop...

Best regards,

   Michael

Not something I've come across I'm afraid. Smith Micro need to hear about these issues, if they persist after service packs are installed then they are something that need to be included in further ones.

If they don't know about it, they can't fix it.

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Actually I've seen the screen issue too, but I notice that only happens, at least in my case, if you have another screen on top or behind PP 2012 then if you change parameter dials or move from Poser's window to another window the preview creen will stop updating, or it will only update where those windows don't overlap with the preview window or sometimes is the other way around where ovelaping is the only section that updates (like the one 2 posts above this), what I do is to keep evrything minimized or closed and leave Poser as the only active window to avoid that screen issue.

I have a Geforce GTX 560 and Windows 7.

Well, if you've both got Nvidia cards then there must be something awry there somewhere. I would definitely contact Smith Micro about it. They are very helpful and have been my first port of call when things go wrong.

I asked them if browsers can conflict with Poser due to the way they handle Flash and they said that Safari was a good one. I've used it ever since and can run PP2012 side by side with it without issues. Google Chrome and Firefox aren't good, but, you need IE around to dowload and install Flash updates.

Good luck guys

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I can confirm the issue as well. I think it is a Windows issue or NVidia, as both of my cards are NVidia. it happens with Fire Fox as well which leads me to think it is not Posers fault.

Tom

I'd lean towards an NVidia issue if it's affecting other programs. Perhaps you should contact them, perhaps you need new drivers.

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 Hi,

thanks a lot. So with at least 2 others having an issue around this, it's definitely not something completely broken on my computer. I tested the suggestion with the other windows (I usually have lots of windows open, so that could be a reason), but nope, even if Poser is the only application running, I have this issue.

I played around a bit more, and found that it occurs in fullscreen as well as window mode. However, the horizontal preview window size seems to have an effect: at smaller widths, the problem does not occur. I will find out, what the critical width is, and then file a bug report.

Best regards,

   Michael

Do you render to specific dimensions or whatever size the preview window happens to be once you've moved the UI around?

I always render to specific dimensions, so, perhaps if you guys do you'll get results.

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Hi,

I submitted a ticket now at SmithMicro.

Yes, I use specific render dimensions (landscape or portrait, depending on the scene).  But the problem does not appear in the render, it's only in the preview screen.

Best regards,

    Michael  

Oh yeah, something that I forgot about,

Does anyone else keep getting double entries showing up in their library?

It loads as normal, then, it flickers and suddenly you get 2 of everything. It goes away if you refesh the library. That's been happening since day 1 and doesn't change with the service releases.

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Hi,

yes, I have that when I unpack items into the runtime while Poser is running, and then refresh the library. With the original release, this was accompanied with subsequent crashes, that no longer happens. Poser is very stable, it just shows the library entries twice.

Re my previous bug, I'm in active discussion with John from customer support. I went through 4 different graphics drivers, and different scenes. The bug occurs with the factory "Andy" scene as well, but only if other scenes were loaded before. Seems to relate to some memory issue, Poser not cleaning up all items with "New". A good indicator for the problem is that "collect scene inventory" produces some PMD files which definitely do not belong to the current scene.

Best regards,

   Michael  

Yay, not just me then!

One thing occurred to me about this, PP2012 is 64 bit, but, Flash is 32 bit, not sure if that has anything to do with it though. Adobe did do a beta of a 64 bit version of Flash, but, the latest version is still 32 bit.

On the whole, I think there was nothing wrong with the old pre flash library that P8 had or was it 7? That was really stable and I never had any issues at all with it.

I've filed a bug report at SM as, if it's something they've never fixed with service releases, maybe they never knew it needed fixing.

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PS (Has anyone ever found a use for Andy!?)

Not a bug per say but an omission. Older versions of Poser if memory serves correctly had the option to expand the material dialog boxes so I could see all of the check boxes at a glance instead of having to scroll through to save a .mc6 file. When I am doing hundreds of files for one car it gets a little annoying to have to do so.

Please change the dialog boxes back to expandable and have them stay the same size through a whole Poser session or even better yet have them saved with Poser as a default for the next session.

Same applies to all dialog boxes in Poser, such as saving a .pp2 file. Would be nice to be able to expand and save the size there as well.

Tom

Just occured to me that it would be nice to add a use last selection check box to the dialog box so I can save 45 different color schemes for a car ( as an example) with out having to choose the material zones every time I change the color for the next .mc6.

Guess that is more of a wishlist item but hey at least you are reading this. :-)

Tom

The rest of us are, but, I don't think Smith Micro are.

You're best off making those suggestions to them.

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Trust me Smith Micro is reading this thread. They are listening but if you think of it from their point of view what ever they say in public is taken as written in stone, so they have to be very carful what they say. So nothing in here is the safe way to go.

Also think that if they improve the software and you see it for yourself then that goes a lot farther than empty promises, right?

Also you have to know that Smith Micro has share holders that have to be reported to so the process can be a very long one. what gets asked today might be 6 months or a year before you see the results.

Also the changes have to be justified as a valid request that will suit most users not just a few.

Like my above request for a tick box to save the last selection might be a long shot to see it happen unless, (1) it is an easy change with little time involved = $, (2) It makes sense to add it.

So as you can see they do listen it is just not very often you will see a responce to the comments made here.

They are being heard. :-)

So keep those reports coming.

I am not discouraging the bug reports in the proper channels.

I just like the feedback from users such as yourself to see how my ideas are received.

Tom

I hear you,

I'm in the process of my bug report right now. There seems to be some confusion about the Flash Player. They say you need to have a 64 bit one installed for the library to work in PP2012. Adobe haven't made a 64 Bit Flash Player fully available and the latest version you can download, even if you open Internet Explorer 64 Bit is a 32 bit one.

The library in PP2012 works, so, it has to be utilising the 32 bit Flash Player. If you switch to an external library, this utilises Adobe Air, but, it doesn't cure the double entry issue.

To me, there's an issue in the way that PP2012 utilises the Adobe programs and not the Adobe programs themselves.

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Tom - thank you for this note and thread - yes we do read these and yes, commenting is challenging. My apologies for not being able to dig in more frequently.

Cooper

Quote - Trust me Smith Micro is reading this thread. They are listening but if you think of it from their point of view what ever they say in public is taken as written in stone, so they have to be very carful what they say. So nothing in here is the safe way to go.

Also think that if they improve the software and you see it for yourself then that goes a lot farther than empty promises, right?

Also you have to know that Smith Micro has share holders that have to be reported to so the process can be a very long one. what gets asked today might be 6 months or a year before you see the results.

Also the changes have to be justified as a valid request that will suit most users not just a few.

Like my above request for a tick box to save the last selection might be a long shot to see it happen unless, (1) it is an easy change with little time involved = $, (2) It makes sense to add it.

So as you can see they do listen it is just not very often you will see a responce to the comments made here.

They are being heard. :-)

So keep those reports coming.

I am not discouraging the bug reports in the proper channels.

I just like the feedback from users such as yourself to see how my ideas are received.

Tom

Told you guys they are listening, so ner!

:-)

They are just very busy.

Tom

I didn't dispute the fact after you mentioned it.

Anyway, the library issue is an ongoing one and I wouldn't mind some outside input from knowledgable users as to what the cause might be.

When I open PP2012 and begin using it as normal, the librarys are still loading. I can load a figure and be ready to pose it and the Pose library hasn't finished loading. When I scroll down to a pose set I want to use and hit the refesh button I can then open and load the pose I want. Moments after I've done that the library flickers and displays double entries for that folder. (See screenshot.)

I think it's a Flash issue, what does anyone else think!?

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Hi Rogerbee1,

Was just trying to let everyone know, with out a doubt, Smith Micro is listening.

Was just being a dufus with the ner. I just think that ner sounds funny. :-)

I have had issues with the library having double copies until I select the top level and use the refresh arrow circle thing then everything goes back to normal.

Have no idea why Poser is having a brain fart like that. Glad you reported it.

I think you are most likely right about it being a flash issue. I think flash has to try and cover way too many bases so to speak and Poser is getting lost between the cracks.

One size fits all on the internet can be a daunting task.

I have only noticed this behavior in Poser. No other programs.

Tom

Great minds think alike,

I was told that they used Flash for the library as it was the only way they could incorporate the features for the library that people had suggested. You do wonder if said people are wishing they'd shut up instead.

I looked at Daz Studio, in particular a video on their library. It looks way more comprehensive than Poser's and has a lot more features. I looked through forum  threads to see if anyone had been complaining about the library and couldn't see any. I've delved into their bug reports too and issues there concerning the library don't seem major.

It'd be interesting to know what Daz use to implement their library......

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Quote -  

Great minds think alike,

I was told that they used Flash for the library as it was the only way they could incorporate the features for the library that people had suggested. You do wonder if said people are wishing they'd shut up instead.

I looked at Daz Studio, in particular a video on their library. It looks way more comprehensive than Poser's and has a lot more features. I looked through forum  threads to see if anyone had been complaining about the library and couldn't see any. I've delved into their bug reports too and issues there concerning the library don't seem major.

It'd be interesting to know what Daz use to implement their library......

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I don't have the issues you mentioned so for me the p8/p9 library is a lot more easy and faster as the old one. 

Regarding the DS library system - I dislike that one because it has a single view and is limited in its customization. There is one product which took the DS library interface into Poser for selection of materials. I found that one pretty hard to use (horizontal scrolling)

I guess everyone has their own preferences on how the library should work. It would be a big mistake to make them all the same.

The P8 library is indeed faster, SM had me install it on my machine to see if the issue happened there when I linked my PP2012 runtime to it. It didn't as, even with all the content in the PP2012 runtime,  the Pose library loaded really quickly meaning that I didn't need to refresh the folder I wanted to open.

I have 2 laptops on which PP2012 is installed, and, when you launched it for the first time, the Pose library loaded really slowly on both of them and the same issue with the double entries occurred when I refreshed the folder I wanted to open. This surely has to mean that there is something in PP2012 that is causing the library to load slowly. The P8 library was really fast no matter when you loaded the program.

P8 is 32bit as is P9, I still wonder if there's something about PP2012 being 64 bit that is causing problems.

To anyone else with PP2012, how long does the Pose library take to load when you open it having lauched the program for the first time!? Do you just wait for it or try and refresh a particular folder that you want to open?

I just want to get to the bottom of this. There may not be anything they can do for PP2012, but, there could be something to address in PP2013.

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I have the "reopen folders" option disabled.

So when poser starts (3 seconds), the library opens with nothing open. Each folder which I open fills iimmediately. If I have a very large folder (800 sub folders) and scroll to the bottom and open a subfolder there, it takes 2-3 seconds to fill the new folder.

If you have reopen folders enabled, the library will go through all open folders and that may take a long time if you have a large number of them open the previous time you used Poser.

I use the air version because I like ability to minimize it to the task bar

I found Reopen Folders on mine and it isn't checked, I wonder, should I check it and see what happens...

Back in a bit...

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With Reopen folders unchecked, and the path tooltip turned off, with 413 folders in the Pose library, it took over 2 1/2 minutes to load down to the folder I wanted to open. My processor is an Intel i5 quad core and I've got 6gb of RAM, surely that should mean the library loads quicker than that!?

So, the question remains, what is slowing it down!? Turning off the Item List panel makes no difference either.

That was running it after booting. I just loaded it again after typing that paragraph and it loaded in seconds. It's all in that first time load up. I'm getting somewhere here.....

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In general preferences I have search set to narrow (should not make any difference, bu that is what I have it set at)

In library options I have

----General------

Always on Top - off

ReOpen - off

Show Tool tip - On

Tooltip delay - half

Show Folder counts - On

==Display-----

Tree - On

Item list panel - On

Extended Details - On

Breadcrumbs - On

Ticker - off

---Tree--------

Thumb size minimal

Selected size - half

Show Item details - On

Tree Indient - little

Show Folder thimbnaisl - Off

------List------

Thiimbnail size - Max

Label Height - Min

Gap - Half

-----Details-------

Show Image - On

Max Image size - half

It doesn't seem to matter what I turn on or turn off. If I run Poser once, the library is slow, if I close Poser and then open it again it's fine.

What is it with that first load that is making it slow!? I can restart the laptop as many times as I like, when I run Poser for the first time the library is slow.

I just don't get it. If closing and reopening it is what have to do for it to run issue free then so be it, unless you or Smith Micro have other ideas.....

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I wonder if there is some sort of caching taking place. If you start up from a fresh reboot it has to read in all the folders again. If you restart all of these folders are still in memory or in temp files, or maybe in virual memory on disk.

Disks on laptops are not the fastest ones (slow rpm to conserve battery poser), add to that the possible fragmention of folders and it will go slower.

If I start poser from another machine with the library attached as external runtime over a network, it is definitely slower - but nowhere near as bad as you experience. In the case I described above, time to get that last folder filled would take 10-20 seconds. This is on a gigabit network which slows down for small file access to about 100-200mbps. Reading folders is a lot of small reads.

But if the above is the case, I don't see a way to improve that

Yeah, I do kind of get what you're saying, but, it's like this on 2 different laptops. Different processor, different hard drive, different amounts of RAM. Same caches though I suppose as they both run 64 bit Windows 7 and everything is installed in the same place. Even with a full, and I mean FULL, defrag the library has been slow on first load. The other thing is that anything else I load post boot is always fast, email, browsers, Word, Photoshop. If the drive was badly fragmented they'd all be slow, wouldn't they!?

Thing is though, as I mentioned earlier, I installed P8 alongside it and linked it to the PP2012 runtime. No matter when I loaded that the library was super fast. Something added to the PP2012 library is doing this somehow.

Hmmmm, I've added what I said in my previous post to my bug report, so, I'll see if they have any suggestions.

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Hmm, there's no cache for the library, only the XML's. The only caches are for undo, renders and textures.

Something has got to come to mind that will solve this....

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