I just find it humorous that when you join, there was an effort to say you must be 16 to join , if you are under 16, you must have parental permission in writing to join, they allow us to filter what is in the galleries, yet the ads in banners, in market place and on the front page are plainly viewed for all to see with no warning or disclaimer. As soon as you hit this place there they are. What is the point in requesting parental permission to go to the galleries, allowing filters for the galleries, when as soon as you hit this site you are bombarded by adult content?

Ya, the woman in the blurb above REALLY looks consenting and in charge, LOL! Look at her terrified expression and try to sell me that again...

Hummm...I don't understand the arguement here. I have never seen stated anywhere (except by some members) that this was a family site. Do "family sites" usually demand a written permission slip for under 16 year olds? Seems to me that would indicate that this site is not really intended for children 16 and under...?

i mentioned it A long time ago- i was shot down as usual LOL! Actually- we havent had a consipracy theory come up yet in this thread so i am going to post one now MUHAHAHAHAHAA! It's a consiracy with the banners! They know when i am at work and that's when they cycle them into rotation! but only when i am at work or with someone who i would like to make a good impression on. Then those ads come up! ;D

Illusions wrote: Me: And that changed because? Because I thought I had something to contribute to this site. Over time it became apparent that wasn't the case so I moved on and now come back to watch it slowly degrade into Ludicrosity, snicker, stick my unwanted and tiresome nose into things and of course, find news snippets concerning the centre of the universe known as Poser. :)

well bshafer there yah go- you need permission if you are under 16- but to get to the page to give permission- the ads above have already cycled through- shouldn't the permission page and the disclaimers be first? before being able to view the ads etc? For instance: "You are now entering renderosity's Market place. Due to the nature of graphics and products shown, there is nudity and adult content. You have been warned, now hand over your credit card to us and enjoy your visit" :D

LOL well yeah, but not too many 16 year olds have their own credit card either. ;o)

oh i was talking about the enter market place - spend your credit card until it's maxxed out LOL hey - if they have mom/dad/legal guardian's permission to get in- then mom/dad/legal guardian will most likely give/let them use the cc online-with permission of course ;D you know- the uncheck email option doesnt work very well LOL i have unchecked it every post LOL! wait! Another thread! I bet i can come up with a conspiracy to cover that one too!!!

"...and when they don't get any..."" HAHAHAHA! they ALWAYS get that opporunity with me LOL!

"otherwise there might be no site at all! " Seems to be what some of the people posting want. I can't wait to see what the next big issue will be.... wake me up when it gets here.

Wake up Lon! we are going to start the conspiracy of the "email on response check box" and how it lies to you - lulling one into a sense of "ahhh my in-box is free!" then when you get comfortable and start working and you think it's work dropping into your email.. BAM! 12 ebot! all to threads you unclicked the email on response box! or Somne one will mention "dufflebag" or "clothes hamper" and all hell will break loose, or if i get really bored- i will make a banner composit of the banner ads i like ;D Just because i can MUHAHAHAHAHAA! hey there we go! the next great controversy! a banner ad contest!

where's the vote for banner ad of the year poll? i thought it was there but when i went to vote,.. it was gone? J/K! ;D

Illusions wrote: By the way...which came first Neither. I've been saying it for a long time. First time would have been here in Poser Forum or C&D, next after that at 3DCommune which suffers a similar condition.

Uh oh...... (adds to Illusions ebot bomb with this post) Actually, in this threads defense- it actually did start as a service- it pointed out to the admins that there was a questionable thumbnail in the free stuff area that should be looked into. Admin did look into it and they resolved the issue. The rest of us are just being us! - discussing it, taking it off on ten different tangents, examine it down to the last period, comma, excalmation point, expressing differing opinions, etc. There was no "Kill the admins, site, dufflebag, insert whatever object you want here" type of tone that i could detect.

"Me: I don't think that's the case at all. I have to admit...I've seen a bit of "nit-picking" but I didn't sense a undercurrent of "kill the site" or even "wishing Renderosity would go away", from anyone that posted in this thread...could you be more specific? " Not really talking about this thread but this whole forum. Kind of said in jest really. Just seems to be a bunch of people in here complaining and that's all I ever see from them. They don't help anybody in the other forums they don't have a gallery. (not a necessity) Most claim to pack their bag and leave for greener pastures but come back to pee on the grass here. They contribute nothing but negative noise. Might not be outright killing the site. But as a business it can't be good PR. Kind of like going into walmart and whipping out your sharpy to scrible all the things you hate about them an the walls.

" But as a business it can't be good PR. Kind of like going into walmart and whipping out your sharpy to scrible all the things you hate about them an the walls. " Have you ever seen the bathrooms in some of those stores? That's pretty much what is on some of them! ;D Oh Nooo! he brought up the word business! that leads back to the banner ads! doncha think that having banner ads that are somewhat adult in nature and some banner ads that are just flat out non professional and well crappy looking up there can hurt a business image especially when that is the first thing you see? forums at least you have to go deeper into the site to read- after assuring the site that you are over 16 and consent to seeing adult type material etc etc . Now see? the thread was dying out! There are some really good ads up there Krome Kats Forest and ivy one is really good looking. I like Jaydiva's red one advertising the whole store of (hers)(his) And yep i did forget the sarcastic, irreverent and silly part ;) /e hands Illusions some tylenol for the headache that is bound to come from watching the email ebot dropping off mail

I see the banners. I was here before the store. Iv'e seen them all. I don't really care for most. Will that hurt the person who's add it is. Just might in sales. That is his business decision and this sites to make not mine or yours. How many businesses do you know that set their policy by public forum ? Sure they might if there is a ground swell of opposition. I don't see that here. I see the same people causing all the ruckus. less than 10 people isn't a large amount

Fascinating, I don't see anyone causing a ruckus. I guess I must be looking at a completely different thread.

I believe this thread is in this forum. And a couple of the first people to take this off topic fit the description I just gave. A quick check of all the threads I can see on this forum kind of confirms my point. I said nothing about it getting out of hand. acually it's one of the more rational threads here. Just heard it all before. Won't change anything. They will run this site as they see fit because it it their site not ours.

"How many business do you know set up a public forum and allow people to discuss what goes on in the business even if they don't set their policy by public forum? " Not many at all. Pretty damn decent of them. I fear if it's abused too much it will go the way of C&D

"Will that hurt the person who's add it is" it can hurt the person who owns the ad yes, but it has larger implications. We do not live in a vaccuum here I have personally lost clients by bringing them here to view my gallery (when i had a gallery here,) and they asked me why i was posting to a soft porn site. I have heard others have had the same experience. it hurts more than just the banner ad owner. Now i am not saying this will happen to everyone but it does happen. As with everything- there are some who are more open about ideas than others. I can't afford to have someone (paying client) be insulted or overwhelmed or surprised by bringing them to a place to view things they may not normally view or even consider viewing.

Ahh yes, the typical response. Well, I guess that everybody should just suck it up then and let whatever happens happen. Never complain about anything just blindly accept it because it won't change anything. Funny thing that, history states things differently. The history of this site is one such example that people who do stand up and let themselves be heard instead of blindly accepting everything CAN change this site and the way it's run. Not often, but it happens. Seeing as you were "here before the stores" you'll have seen that happen. Or did you blink and miss it?

I think the big problem, that caused many people here to post, is the lack of consistency and the perceived problem that the rules vary depending on your status in this community. It has reached a point where if you decide to post an image that hasn't dropped off a chocolate box ( not that there is anything wrong with "an image that hasn't dropped off a chocolate box" the image will more than likely be deleted, and/or you get banned for a week. (As an example) to put it simply there is a perceived deficit of fairness.

Lon, did you stop by just to lambast everyone, or do you have something relevant to share? Nah, not really you all have fun. Questor Ahh yes, the typical response. Well, I guess that everybody should just suck it up then and let whatever happens happen. Never complain about anything just blindly accept it because it won't change anything. Funny thing that, history states things differently. The history of this site is one such example that people who do stand up and let themselves be heard instead of blindly accepting everything CAN change this site and the way it's run. Not often, but it happens. Seeing as you were "here before the stores" you'll have seen that happen. Or did you blink and miss it? When I get me some stock in this company then I'll worry about how it's run. As it is they let me have my gallery here for free and post to the forums all free of charge. Don't see how that give me any right to set the policy. If you feel different then not much I can say.

Lon Chaney: "Ahh yes, the typical response." Not me Questor said that.

"When I get me some stock in this company then I'll worry about how it's run. As it is they let me have my gallery here for free and post to the forums all free of charge" Then why are you worried about how it's running now? Your quote "But as a business it can't be good PR." well if it isn't then they will change it- they always do change what they want, when they want. In the mean time we are using the site the way it was set up- we are in the team feedback and site forum, expressing our feedback. No one is "setting policy" here- that can only be done by the admins shrug Now, if they choose to use anything discussed here then i personally feel that would be a good thing. In the meantime, if i want to waste my time talking in these forums, expressing opinions which may not be popular, getting shot down, etc. then i will do so. Not everyone is out to "kill the site" as you put it. Some are actually trying to help by pointing out things which may not be obvious or may be overlooked by the ptb in the day to day activities

Gosh, Lon, what a shame. We don't rush to embrace your stance, and your reply: "Well, these people don't have galleries and they don't participate in the other forums and, and, well, gosh darn it, I'm just right!" Snooze. Some of us pulled our galleries from here for reasons that would probably zing right over you, so I suggest you not worry your pretty little head about it, okay? Insofar as people like us "killing this site", as if. Rsity makes a ton of money off the t&a crowd, so it's hardly likely they'll change their banner policy to suit anyone but the bottom line. But Cheryle has a good point: the "adults only" disclaimer comes well after one's into the registration process, and by then, you've had plenty of time to view the wonders of the big tittied marvels in the Marketplace. Wouldn't take much for the PTB to address what's, in actuality, a pretty small problem, but it should be addressed. Insofar as the image way back up there in post # 73, I guess one can tapdance around the fact that she's in a cage, naked (of course -- what better way to sell your fetish stuff?), and looking like no one's gonna let her out for another 20 years.... but, hey, it's not really torture. It's a depiction of a virtual model being held captive, and as such, hey, no biggie. Right.

There was nothing typical in my response. I asked you a simple question. Nobody said you have to suck anything up and take it...I don't understand why you bothered with this thread if all you wanted to do was lambast the people that posted in it. What does that have to do with either of the discussion we've had here? Really Lon, it would be nice if you had something more to contribute than complaining about the people that were posting here. Because the people I'm complaining about,not you, are always complaining. There are a couple in this thread right here and if you look in previous threads you'll see the same names over and over. I feel that's a valid of point in this thread as posting a bunch a banners and steering the topic away from the original post I just thought I would complain about the complainers thus becoming a complainer then I can complain to myself about myself and create a never ending cycle of complaining Ok eat your dinner ;0) I'm getting hungry too

Carefull Illusions, making mistakes like that and attributing comments to the wrong people can cause erm... problems sometimes. I said that, not Lon. :) Lon: When you get stock in this company? Not being funny but if it wasn't for user feedback, discussion, rhetoric and in some cases screaming and tearing of hair with much gnashing of teeth and foot stamping this site would be very different. Considering some of the things that have been argued out on the past, I'd hesitate to say that this site would be a lot worse though in some cases it might have been better if certain changes weren't undertaken. The gallery is here because people requested one, the store has changed over the last year because people have complained about aspects of it which has helped the management to change the store so it's better for people who use it brokers and buyers alike. Same with the galleries and the forums. They've all changed in one way or another over time as a result of people standing up and voicing their opinion. Regardless of whether or not they own shares. I'm sorry, but I really don't understand your logic, silence is not an answer to anything. You don't get things looked at or fixed or changed by being silent. The nuditity filters are there because they were requested, the freestuff now has a text box for information and is seperated into relevant sections and has the "commercial/non commercial" tag available because people complained and brought it to the attention of the PTB. So, you carry on quietly using this site, never mentioning or complaining about anything (except other people of course). I much prefer that people DO stand up and voice their opinions and argue, and discuss, and complain because it all helps to improve the environment that represents this website although oft times it appears the contrary.

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doh cross post sorry questor my response was to Lon

Gosh, Lon, what a shame. We don't rush to embrace your stance, and your reply: "Well, these people don't have galleries and they don't participate in the other forums and, and, well, gosh darn it, I'm just right!" not saying I'm right or wrong. Just find it real funny the biggest group complaining in these forums don't have anything here but they do on other sites. They post their galleries and models other places and their complaints here. ah.. this is taking too much of my time.Time to move on

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12401&Form.ShowMessage=1023675 kind of like how you weren't complaining here in this link right? good try. I paid for that software did you pay for this site. I acually talked the people at greenworks and worked it out. That's in that thread too. LOL ok you win have fun I'll just go back to making pictures. You guys can keep this site running.

you keep bringing up the fact that this site is not a member pay site. Just because one has not paid for membership does not mean one is not entitled to have an opinion. This forum is FOR feedback. We are giving it. I do free work for people. I don't just grind someting out and say here this is what you get suck it up. I take the time to do it how they want. The pay thing is my choice and has no bearing on the quality of the work i produce for them. You make it sound like they are doing everyone a favor by having this site. Granted it is nice to have this site to come to, but in the end we do pay for it- by market place purchases, by magazine sales, etc etc. Make up your mind- you go from this being a professional business site to being a favor for people by being here, to we are all out to kill this site ;P what exactly is/was your point?

"You make it sound like they are doing everyone a favor by having this site. Granted it is nice to have this site to come to, but in the end we do pay for it- by market place purchases, by magazine sales, etc etc. " LOL Yes I do think they are doing everyone a favor. Me: I sell no products, I have no free stuff, I help in the forums if I can and have a gallery well over 50mb at no cost to me. I landed a job working on a game because of this site. Some people make money from this site selling stuff. Granted Renderosity gets a cut but how much would they make without Renderosity? Do I think they are doing me a favor YES. I made money because of this site and i didn't cost me a cent and I gave up no freedoms. The people that sell here have a contract. If they don't like the terms don't sign on. The store looks pretty full to me. A favor you ask? I would have to say YES. I just can't see it any other way. A business site you ask. They sell a product and make money sounds like one to me. Did you search all the forums to come up with the xfrog forum gem? I don't think your going to find anything I'll be ashamed of. But your welcome to look. Business/favor to the masses... yes both not too hard to swallow That's all from me on this thread. See you in the next.

I have to laugh when these guys try to appear self-righteous in defense of torture, execution, false imprisonment, degradation and who knows what other evil that civlized people have rejected. We just ain't buying their distorted logic.

I have to laugh when these guys try to appear self-righteous in defense of torture, execution, false imprisonment, degradation and who knows what other evil that civlized people have rejected. We just ain't buying their distorted logic. you even paying attention here ? I'm not even talking about the orginal topic I'm talking about the people that have no gallery or anything else to do with this site coming here to get on every thread to complain. Kind of like YOU ??? The original topic was settled long ago nice try

i have to laugh at Lon because he came back! LOL after 3 posts of "i am done" and criticizing people who have left the site saying they are done and come back again, he pulls the same thing in his posts in these threads. shrug LOL! You got a job from this site- - i lost a few because of this site- Post 107 I have gotten many more by removing my gallery and having my own web site and marketing plan.shrug if it weren't for the masses ;P there would be no business- a full cirlce i would say- one hand washes the other. Questor makes some good points about how things have gotten better from feedback (which you insist upon calling whining) Yet you keep going on in your blind way- insisting everyone sit down suck it up and just get on with it. No. If there is something which the members feel should be addressed, they should bring it up. Then Admin will act or not upon it. It's that simple. I don't have to search all the forums all i have to do is just look at two pages of this forum to see your posts. It just happens i use xfrog and happen to lurk that forum, read that post and thought to myself " oh yah this is the guy that tells everyone else to calm down let things be yada yada" it was good for a laugh. I still don't get why you came to this post- we were having a nice meandering discussion about different things, no one was hostile. differences of opinions and strongly felt opinions yes. but nothing one would consider hostile or detrimental to anyone including this site. Then after everything died down- you come in and get things going again. If you are so worried about this place's reputation as you claim- you do it more harm by refueling what was already dying out. You gave it new life.

Funny thing about the internet and these types of forums ;) you never really know who you are talking to, and who has power to hire who, and the person you may be discussing a subject with may actually be someone just testing things out before hiring them. as for no gallery or forum contact- maybe they don't have one because they want to look for new artists etc? See how certain people deal with differences of opinions and ideas? shrug just a random thought.

I swear it's a consiracy! almost every banner in my above post has appeared during this thread! I think some one has a sense of humor LOL!! either that or i should go buy a lottery ticket ;)

Well, here I am to add my meager 2 c's worth.. I have to agree with Cheryle.. When I first came to 'Rosity, and began posting my gallery pictures I invited my aunt to view them..The first thing she saw was a banner ad 'SEX' which of course she closed the window immediately without seeing that it was a deceptive ad that was trying to get attention for a market place item* I got my butt chewed nine ways to Sunday over that.. I was stunned and embarrassed that she saw that even tho there was no nudity involved I have seen many banner ads since that really didnt sit well with me *I have no problem with nudity, in it's place, but as far as that one banner ad with the nude female in some err..compromising positions, with a star over each nipple.... and others..sigh As far as that 'caged' woman.. gee thanx for the 'nudity' tag Longest..;) glad I saw it just before my 10 year old daughter came into the room for homework help. And Lon, I dont know you, but if I feel I need to complain here about something, I will.. even tho maybe nothing will come about by my complaining, and it might not be what people want to hear, sitting silent and saying nothing def. wont get anything changed. I removed my gallery for reasons I do not care to go into here, and I help out where I can.. Im generally liked here {I hope} and dont 'complain' much.. but as I said earlier.. I will complain if I feel the need to. Seems to me, your doin' an awful lot of 'complaining' about people doin' an awful lot of complaining Ok, Im done for now :D Have a good night/day all! ~Jani :)

"Granted Renderosity gets a cut but how much would they make without Renderosity?" And How much would Rosity make without them? Without members this site would die a quick death. Merchants, artists, forumites etc all contribute to this site in one way or another. If members complain it's because they CARE! If I didnt give a shit what happened here I would do as you say you do, suck up freestuff,eat up bandwidth and sit back and enjoy the show.

excuse me for asking cheryle and this has nothing to do with the original subject but I've heard once before how you pulled your gallery becouse you brought clients here to view your work and they were offended becouse they percieved this as a soft core porn site. I may be missing something but who in their right mind would ever consider using a public gallery as a Portfolio? sounds rather daft to me. whether its family friendly or soft core I can't see a prospective client being impresssed by that kind of presentation.

you know, I remember when people were happy to get new freebees, regardless of the TN image, of course that was before they had a store and people could spout out "I'm a customer" back then, we were just members of a comunity

"you know, I remember when people were happy to get new freebees, regardless of the TN image, of course that was before they had a store and people could spout out "I'm a customer" back then, we were just members of a comunity " Here Here! I for one do appreciate all the freebies people take the time and energy to make. It amazes me the length people will go to to help each other out in the community. Unbelievable! Cudos to all the freestuff makers and thier efforts on our behalf. Without you none of this would be possible 8-)

I landed a job working on a game because of this site How nice for you, Lon. Tell us: did you give Rsity a cut of the proceeds? If not, why not?

Folks, can we please stop taking every opportunity to microanalyse every word, every comma and every question mark? Most of what's in this thread has stayed polite, if not exactly friendly in places but in the last couple of dozen posts it's starting to turn more into 'aha! I see a minute loophole in what XXX said and I'm going to tear him/her a new one until I make him/her look like a fool." Everyone's made their respective positions perfectly clear and it's obvious that were never all going to agree on it. Kev.

I reckon this must be oe of the longest Renderosity threads ever.

I guess if you 'tore someone a new one', it would look...well... foolish. {Bursts out laffin'.. ok, ok, ok.. I'll shup} Not pickin on ya Kev.. it just struck me as funny..mental pic and all :D plus I havent heard that one in a long time ~goes back to being happy~ ~Jani :)

"I reckon this must be oe of the longest Renderosity threads ever." LOL...Nah, IIRC, Ironbear holds the Record.