We have had much controversy here concerning the use of nudity, rules on nudity, (the banner competition), continued discussion of the TYPE of art created by Poser artists..ie...nude Vicky's in temples with swords...and of cours the over endowed Vickys, etc etc etc.... Well, how's this for a contest...? How about we create images that have no nudity, no temples, no swords, and no over endowed women.... You know, regular , boring, run of the mill stuff.... kids playing in the back yard... mom doing the dishes... dad watching football... and other "normal" events portrayed via Poser... just my thought for Sunday morning...February 9, 2003

Of the images I have posted here, none have a temple, one has a naked V3, but not over endowed (and certainly not pleasant) and one has a sword (well, a dagger). :)

That's a pretty daring suggestion, Dave-So. It's so hard to break out of a rut that you're comfortable in. Celebrate the ordinary life, actually look to the real world for inspiration...probably on the radical side for some artists.

None of my Vicky's are completely naked, no temples or swords either. I do have a few who are well-endowed though. I even have one of children playing in a playground.

One of my very early images featured a retro, back to the 50's sort of theme, with two children wearing the Mouska-Ears skipping along hand-in-hand. Now granted, I knew far less about working with Poser (or any other graphics software other than PaintShop Pro) at the time, but you know, barely a soul took any notice of the image whatsoever. It seems that the browsers of the galleries end up having the last word on this sort of thing. Just do a quick check of images with beaucoup viewings, then see how many of them feature at least partial nudity. It's very difficult for the average artist to get constructive feedback when people take one look at the thumbnail at decide not to bother viewing. Okay, enough of my silly soapbox. But I think you all have noticed this too, no?

It will be interesting to see what theme the winner chooses. I think there's a heck of a lot of ideas that people have.

mlevans... that's why I posted the message asking people to have a gander at some of the other galleries, artists, work, and post a link to the place...perhaps a few great artists would surface :) Unfortunately , only 2 other people even bothered to respond to the thread, and so far we have 2 galleries listed...and both were not in the Poser gallery....but very good work... Variety is the spice of life, I guess, unless you get vd or something.

Dave, How about a theme with no humans or animals at all. It is possible to do that. Someone told me once they didn't know Poser did anything but nudes. As a matter of fact, I've been doing that with still life images that are posted in my gallery. They take from 2 to 4 weeks to finish. If you what to have a contest..see who can do something with no Vicky, Mike, kids, animals, etc.

cherokee69, your gallery of still lifes is first rate. I wish my mother could still see well enough to see the one with the quilt...that was her favorite hobby until macular degeneration stole it away. Having such a competition is not a bad idea at all. Dave, don't give up. Sometimes you have to introduce an idea more than once to get it to take. We can't be the only ones who would like to see some diversity in subject matter explored.

For the life of me I can't understand the thing about the Vicki's in temples with helmets and swords. I can't remember the last time I saw an image like that. As far as a contest goes, there's one going on right now, in this forum (actually a challenge, but same difference) and a grand total of 17 people have submitted images. Wow, what participation we have.

Vicky in the Temples is just a short cut way of talking about fads in Poser graphics...where you see one after another of almost identical graphics produced for apparently the single purpose of getting lots of hits without requiring much thought or creativity to create them. I've seen a bunch of Vickys in the Temple and I just skip past them now, so I wouldn't know if they are fading as a subject item or not. There is more than one problem with getting participation. One, there is a lot of disinfranchised people who won't participate in anything because of a history they or friends of theirs have on Renderosity. I'm not saying they're right. I'm not saying they're wrong. But they aren't going to participate no matter what the challenge or what the prize or what the motive is. Two, there are the inert masses. The majority of people who sign up on Renderosity don't participate in anything. Which is the same as in life which is why people who don't vote shouldn't whine about the results. Three, it's hard to get people who have real lives to take time out to spend on these things. Four, some people don't think they are good enough. That includes me. I entered the banner contest knowing I wouldn't get a single vote...and I didn't and I'm fine with that because the other contestants were superior to me and I knew from the beginning they were. But not everyone wants to take the risk of entering and being ignored. And I'm sure there are more. I don't know what it would take to recover from the bad feelings that have been created in the Poser forum and gallery. I am hoping as we have new people come on board, maybe they will bring some enthusiasm and new ideas and new life to the place. If not, the site will die. And that will be the end of that.

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I'd like to share a site I found about a week ago...I've been in the dumps for quite awhile...negative emotions and all that...perhaps this can instill some motivation in all of us :)

and todays message befits exactly what we're talking about :)

How about saying the contest is, create an image of an everyday situation, but the winner is the one who makes it interesting, like puts a good twist on it, then its not all down to artistic skills...well anyway its an idea ;o)..i'll give a prize or too if you go with it...Steve

That's really a fun thing to do Steve. Here's a little picture I made back in October and had loads of fun with it.

rockets, love that graphic. Clothes do tell a story...and you got her saucy attitude just right with the wing of that skirt...and, oh, I remember those skirts....anyone else old enough to remember poodles on the skirts?) Steve, you're a prince. :)

I believe LovelyLady has a poodle skirt on her site, but for some reason I couldn't get it to work. I thought this girl looked Joanie on Happy Days. :-)

Isn't there a poodle skirt on Poserworld subs??? and that waitress outfit would fit right in on this one. I had a diner image going as well :)

Like it. I think the woman on the stool is a little jealous over the poodle skirt, though. ;) Now all we need is a mysterious stranger and we have the elements for a short story going on in this diner.

My original intent...I shouldn't give away the farm here...but it was to do a series of images around the diner... Not sure if I even posted another I had done with a couple embracing in front of the diner..at night...in the dark.. It is unbelievable how many interesting things happen in a diner :) Perhaps we have found a new topic for a challenge ???? We could call it "Diner Art" or some such LOL I don't want to invade the current Poser forum challenge, however...

Perhaps seeing the couple embracing through the window of the diner....looking from the diner out, as it were...lighted but not too well by a street light. Yes, I guess we have to wait to see who wins the February challenge, but it's a fun idea.

As much as I love your diner pics... please remember that this diner thing is a US thingie. Not sure if they're in the UK as well, but they're certainly not here... So whine it's unfair. I wouldn't know what such a place would even LOOK like :o( so.. for a contest...something more... erhm...international... might be in place =o) There IS a world outside the USA, y'know ;o)

There is? Just kidding. I'm sure there must be little eateries worldwide. Not diners, but cafes, pubs, bistros, tea houses, whatever that would be similar in the idea of a small place, informal in nature, where people who are not high society gather for a cheap meal and some gathering of friends. Frankly, diners don't exist very much in the U.S. either...they are just a memory of another time. I think any challenge should allow for some flexibility.

Attached Link: http://www.dinercity.com/

ernyoka1..where are you from??? There are very few diners left in the US... Part of American folklore :) I've been fortunate to have eaten in several..or unfortunate, as when they were common, as dialyn stated, it was mostly "regular" folk who ate there....a little cigarette ash with eggs was common, LOL

Don't forget the burnt coffee or greasy burgers. :-) You have to admit there's nothing better than a fountain drink...

Milk shakes, malteds, ice cream floats....hmmmm. And banana splits, ice cream sundaes. The burgers weren't as greasy as the french fries. And breakfast at a diner might include gravy over biscuits, hash browns, and three eggs, sunny side up. Not that I ever ate at one.

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Here are my playing kiddies I talked about earlier and my gallery is here on Renderosity. My Vicky in a French Maid costume is by far my most viewed picture but the one I maid of a shy Oriental child hiding behind her fan is a close second. It seems like the nearly naked and the kiddies get most of the views. We either have two very different groups looking at the pictures or one really scary one;-)

Dave-So.. I'm from Denmark Diners of any kind aren't common here, there are a few cafeterias but apart from that, there's McDonalds and there's Monarch along the highways. But it's not really common to go out for lunch here, far too expensive... Ah...there's lots of Kebab joints.. but you're not supposed to EAT there, jut buy food and eat it somewhere else.

A restaurant theme in general would be fun. I like the idea of images with a story line. About a year ago, I took part in a challenge of images that told a story or had some sort of action taking place in it. The restaurant or dinner idea would be great. How about a theme involving dinner or a meal in some way? Whether in a restaurant or in a home, a hotdog or bento stand, or out on a park bench, incorporate eating or a meal in some way. Melanie

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Here's my new one. No VIcky, no nudity, no swords, no temple. :)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=313218&Start=1&Artist=sandoppe&ByArtist=Yes

I do so enjoy these long threads :) Dave-so: I've eaten at that "ash n' egg" diner!! :) I'm from Minnesota....we still have "folklore" here....in fact the entire state is "folklore" (you've heard of Lake Wobegon, I assume! And Jesse Ventura.....!). Ernyoka, you would probably find more here that looked familiar than you would most places....especially up north...lots of Danish folk up there :) If we have a contest, I will try to participate. My intentions are always good, but then some project comes up at work and well..... I did enter one at the Vue forum and actually got a vote or two!! I was thrilled to death! :) In Poser, so far I have generated one image that I posted over on the "beginner's gallery" (well two if you count the head shot). The eyes need work on both(someday!) and I got some other tips from the good folks at DNA. Some of you may have seen it, but if you're interested I stuck the link in above. Anyway, this is definitely not a nekkid Vickie :) Have numerous other projects started that could fit this type of theme....so count me "interested"!! :)

Sandoppe, excellant pic. I always thought that a biblical theme would be interesting because there's so much imagery there.

Eh, I just blow stuff up. (shrug)

Not to be a stick in the mud but sandoppe's christ falls into every part of the violence catagory in the monthy contest rules as would allot of biblical themes . Dave-So your idea sounded pretty good , thanks for sharing it .

Hi at all! I have an idea for a ,for sure, realy funny contest. Most original of "the first render of my live" I have found in the endless deepness of my burned "SaveCD"`s my first one from 1998:O) What do you say????? Greetings, webvogel

That would be fun, but I don't think I kept my first render...I've got some old ones on CD, but pretty sure they aren't the first. LOL

I don't even know what my first render was. It was years ago, in Poser 2. I think it was just a close up of a face with no features on it. Pretty boring. I know I don't have it anymore. I didn't bother to save them back then. I was just playing with the program more than anything, and Poser 2 people were so lifeless they weren't worth saving anyway. At least my renders weren't. Melanie

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The new challenge is up and it might be kind of fun....the February challenge is to do a fish tank. It's a simply idea which might test your ability to do something a little different and original. Anyway, link is provided if anyone is interested. I made the mistake of posting my first render and it was the source of so much amusement, I've tucked it deep in the archives. Sigh.