Sorry Illusions.. have to sling that last remark right back at ya. :) Just not the way I see it. When sombody walks in to a forum shouting racial slur! while that person is unknown to us before, then yes i get suspecious he might be a troll, see it happen to many times on other boards. However, after doing a search for Nakamuran on this forum, wich I should have done before I posted my last message AND wich Replicant should have done before posting, it's more likly that Nakamuran is not a Troll but merly handled this mater a bit poorly and I own Mr.Nakamura an apoledgy. I'm sorry Mike I should not have jumped to conclusions like that. Cheers, Axe.

I agree, this is off-topic for Poser Forum. This kind of bad vibes, accusations and finger-pointing (and even the usual anti-American hatred) is what we often see in the OT Forum, so it's sad to see it polluting this forum.

nukem: "When SARS broke out in my city, little kids shouted taunts and were throwing rocks at the homes of quarantined Asian families. And then there were the jokes sometimes outright open hostility. Asian families were suffering, some even losing multiple family members from the virus... " Are you somehow comparing my attempt at some humor to "throwing rocks at...Asian Families" ? Or are you saying that because these hositilities takes place, that I would be wise to reconsider making light of the ever so obvious hypersensitivity to semantic nuances. I was merely attempting to illustrate that point, obviously misunderstood. The truth is, it doesn't matter to me if you are the target of ethnic/racial slurs in your daily life. You aren't special for that reason. Everyone on earth is somebodys else's target. That is the truth, and its a part of human nature. Get used to it, and learn to laugh at yourself. Evo The overweight, clumsy, podunk, round-eyed, cracker-lookin, honky-tonk, white-boy behind the screen. P.S. I'm not trying to begin a any sort of strife on either of our parts to be publicly regarded as "right".

Well Axe, you're certainly entitled to your opinion...no matter how misguided it is. But you are not Replicant, and even though you want to make excuses for him...the fact remains that he did search for nakamuran, and that information showed that nakamuran was not likely a troll. The only conclusion that Replicant's statements can lead to...are that he feels that without a gallery, one is not a contributing member of this site; and therefore, not entitled to complain or have an opinion. There are many members that would take extreme exception to that kind of disregard.

Damn, Nukem, you beat me to the 442nd. I'd love to get my hands on the movie about them; Manzanar was just as unpretty in it as it was in the few photos that survive today.

Heh, yup, couldn't let an opportunity to give a nod to the 442nd go by. :-)

Evo,

"Are you somehow comparing my attempt at some humor to "throwing rocks at...Asian Families"?

I simply think you're simply showing the same level of insensitivity by making light of a subject that has affected me personally and hurt a great deal many people.

"The truth is, it doesn't matter to me if you are the target of ethnic/racial slurs in your daily life. You aren't special for that reason."

Never said I was special because of it, but it does give my position context.

"Everyone on earth is somebodys else's target. That is the truth, and its a part of human nature."

That certainly doesn't mean one should sit around and tolerate being a target.BR>
Get used to it, and learn to laugh at yourself."

I can get used to a lot of things. Racism and indifference to it and how it makes others feel isn't on the list.

Nuke

I must say, I don't understand your position towards my comments, but I won't make it worse by going any further into it than needs be. Ciao Nuke! Evo

I have contacted Xadmax2. I await a reply. Sorry that I posted in the Poser rather than the Max Forum. The Poser forums are the only ones I deal with. I am concerned by the lack of sensitivity of some members. I suggest that they talk to some Japanese-Americans and find out how they feel about the term "Jap." I have contributed one free item on the PoserPros Forum, and plan to contribute more. I have tried to contribute on the Poser Forum with helpful advice as my technical skills are far better than my artistic skills. My father was awarded a Bronze Star in WWII for his work as an interpreter in the Pacific Theatre. I am encouraged by most of your responses, thank-you very much.

take a look at the freebie nakamuram, read the notes too ;)

Attached Link: http://www.katonk.com/442nd/442/page2.html

In response to dalelaroy, actually many Japanese-Americans were allowed to "fight for their country", but only in the European theater. They were the 442nd RCT. Although they highly desired to fight in the Pacific theater, because of their racial background, were not allowed, even after the fall of the Third Reich and end of the European side of the war. Is it not interesting that 'profiling' occurs mostly towards those who can be visibly identified. German-Americans were basically left alone, despite the fact that some of them actually *were* NAZI spies and sympathizers. BYS

Glad to see that you have now posted in the Max forum. For the record, I personally enjoyed this thread because it introduced me to the 442nd, I sometimes find tracking down this type of information difficult. But I sympathize with those who took offense at your post. As I stated, I use the term "Jap" myself, but only in the specific context of Japanese soldiers during WWII. I guess I am also a bit insensitive in finding humor in such things as WWII propaganda cartoons with buck teeth Japanese (but then again I liked Hogan's Heroes) the song "I Think I'm Turning Japanese", and laughed out loud when Kimmie Allen pulled the corners of her eyes up to "look Japanese" on her webcam, or at least I interpreted this as an attempt to look Japanese as opposed to Asiatic in general, since Kimmie Allen is part Fillipino. I openly admit to being racist, but not bigoted. I may find the humor in these "skits", but also recognize the underlying prejudice. Dale LaRoy Splitstone

Not exactly true BYS, my dad served in the Pacific as an interpreter for Military Intelligence, one of the "hidden" warriors. Japanese-Americans of that era were first (born in Japan) and second generation. That may have been why they were not "trusted." It is ironic that two of our top WWII brass (General Eisenhower and Admiral Nimitz) were of Germanic descent. Katonk -- Our (Hawaii Japanese-Americans) term for Mainland Japanese-Americans. I see xadmax2 has changed his item's name to "Japanese." His notes say "no pun intended." The download does not work, though.

Chambers' Dictionary gives "japan" noun & verb for glossy black varnish of lacquer. Does the 3rd paragraph of message #61 mean "Jap" or "Jap."? "Jap." with a dot is merely an abbreviation for "Japan(ese)". In my rule book, punctuation after a quotation belongs outside the quotes unless it is genuinely part of the quoted matter.

Right, as an interpreter for MI. But none of the J-A combat soldiers were sent to the Pacific. This may have been for several reasons: confusion during battle may have had other American units fighting the 442nd or there may have been a fear (however misplaced) that they wouldn't fight well or 'turn-coat'. The specific reasons, I donot know, but I have heard this more than a few times about this unit. It is rather ironic. You have to remember that in the case of many Americans of Germanic descent, their descendants had been here for some time - even as far back as the original colonists. Pennsylvania Dutch, for instance. New York was New Amsterdam before. Etcetera. :) As for Italians, well they weren't a threat anyways! (Before someone cries "Racist!", I'm Italian on my mother's side - Paradisi. I've got the nose to prove it. Yo, is dat Italian enough for ya.) ;) IMHO, everybody is dirty during war. Look at the latest, Iraq. There's much dirt not being publicized, even for a war as short as this. And we know about the chaos that still ensues since the war's end. I thought we were bringing "democracy" to Iraq, not anarchy. BYS

Oh shut up the lot of you..with a few exceptions ;) As somebody else has posted maybe everyone should take a deep breath. With few exceptions everyone from Europe is a mongrel..me, I'm irish/english/manx..not the cat, my wife is..jewish/russian/scandanavian, which I think is just showing off.
Now we're all different and react differently to percieved insults. Among my mates it's considered amusing to call each other hippies (none of us claims to be Oscar Wilde) but if somebody who wasn't a biker were to call us that some folk would get..ahem..irate. Some of my black mates call each other nigger, one of them calls asians pakis but if one were to call them bigots they'd be mortified. But then that's Liverpool for you :)
I think that you have to take account of the meaning and mindset behind a word, if no offence was intended then perhaps a word to one side would be a way of dealing with somebody who just didn't really understand. Anyone who's seen 'Rush Hour' will remember the bar scene where Jackie Chan, with a big smile on his face says
'What's up, my nigga?'
Anyway I must be going as my white robes are in the wash and need to be dried before the big Klan meeting tonight

With all of the truly evil shit happening in the world today, I'm amazed that one tiny little word ends up being the catalyst for a discussion this size. I've got no problem with those, myself occasionally included, who feel it necessary to be a whining candyass, but why not save the righteous indignation for something that really MATTERS?

Attached Link: Anarchy FAQ

>>"I thought we were bringing "democracy" to Iraq, >> not anarchy." Anarchy does not mean chaos. Anarchy comes from the Greek "anarkos," which means "without rulers." The basis of anarchy is universal consent. No coercion of any kind is permitted, and force can be used only to prevent the use of coercion. Since any rules or laws must be decided upon by consensus of the community, anarchy is in fact the most democratic and orderly system known to humanity. Follow the bouncing link to inform yourself. The Powers That Be have spent 200 years telling you lies to keep you from understanding what anarchy really means. You might also find the following websites useful: http://www.anarchosyndicalism.org http://www.blackcrayon.com http://www.spunk.org

"Nestor Makhno, the great Ukrainian anarchist, executed two of his own men with his own pistol for putting up anti-semitic posters." Without rulers? Someone should have explained that to Nestor.

An +archos = without rulers Demos +kratia = peoples rule/strength Two different things. Democracy infers a government run by the people, usually by majority. Anarchy, whose general dictionary definition is "disorder, lawlessness, absence of government (in any form)", infers lack of any governmental structure. Basically, every man, woman, and child for his/herself. There may be an "idealized" form of anarchy, but generically, it's denotes a lack of governmental order and control. Sorry to say, but since only a very small proportion of humans know, understand, and follow the Golden Rule, such a Utopian society could not persist. BTW, I have read Thoreau, Russell, and Paine. I understand what the idea is, but as with most idealized governments (or lacks thereof), what's on paper usually isn't usually how it works in reality - see Communism, Marxism, Socialism, National Socialism, etc. for failed and failing societal/governmental/economic structures. Hierarchies with forward and backward checks and balances, compromises, and popular debate are still the best forms of acting government devised so far. Finally, it is part of human nature. Homo Sapiens is a primate, just like baboons, chimpanzees, gorillas, and apes. Their societal structure is hierarchical and they've been around a few million years longer than our species. Very difficult to reprogram ingrained behaviour. BYS

I feel somehow empty. As a Brit (or pom, or limey etc.) I can't bring to mind any racial name that might cause me offense. Surely there must be something wrong with me. I want to feel victimised. It's just not right that I should be left out. Perhaps someone can make one up, I don't know... It's so unfair....

"BeatYourSoul" never argue with an idiot.they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Even though I most strongly disagree with HeWhoWatches' beliefs, I don't think at all that they mean he's an "idiot." He may be brilliant but have had a life distinctly different from yours or mine. HeWhoWatches certainly has the right to express himself within the TOS here and is worth treating with as much respect as anyone else. I encourage you to be careful - I don't want anyone to get too close to a TOS violation (personal attacks). ;-)

BeatYourSoul: Instead of Thoreau, Russell, and Paine, try reading Malatesta, Kropotkin, and Bakunin. Your notions about anarchy are the result of a 200-year campaign of lies and agitprop by the people whose oppression would be ended by its implementation. Yes, the dictionary defines "anarchy" as lawlessness and chaos. Are you aware that "democracy" was once defined the same way for exactly the same reason? To quote Emma Goldman, "The emotions of the ignorant man are continuously kept at a pitch by the most blood-curdling stories about Anarchism. Not a thing too outrageous to be employed against this philosophy and its exponents. Therefore Anarchism represents to the unthinking what the proverbial bad man does to the child, -- a black monster bent on swallowing everything; in short, destruction and violence." And incidentally, "direct democracy" is synonymous with anarchism. In the early United States, communities established rules and laws by consensus through town hall meetings. This was a form of anarchism. Since anarchism dictates nothing except that no coercion be used or permitted, there are an infinitude of choices in how a community will organize itself. For example, by preference I am an anarchosyndicalist, but would cheerfully accept anarchocommunism or anarchoprimitivism if that was the consensus of the community. bitter: Nestor Makhno was not a ruler. He was general of the Makhnovshchina, the anarchist army which successfully defended the Ukraine from invasion by fascists. In a military situation, there isn't time to gather consensus from the entire army, so the next best thing is done: all the officers and the commanding officer are chosen by consensus of the soldiers, and they can be replaced at any time, again by consensus of the soldiers. The men who joined the Makhnovshchina did so of their own free will, without coercion, and accepted military discipline of their own accord. The men who put up posters urging hatred against Jews knew perfectly well that what they were doing violated the rules of the Makhnovshchina. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness. Jews were being hunted down and killed in Ukraine at the time by the Whites (the Tzarist forces) so promoting hatred was tantamount to murder. Makhno accepted personal responsibility for the executions by performing them himself. If the soldiers had found his decision harsh or unreasonable, they could and would have removed him as military leader. lelionx: "A fly, Sir, may sting a stately horse and make him wince; but one is still an insect, and the other is a horse still." -- Samuel Johnson

Dalelaroy, I don't consider yours or anyone else's laughing at Japanese (or anyone elses) racial sterotypes to be racist. However in listing the qualities of our race, you left out the glasses and the diminutive penis. Shame on you! For pennance, you must watch every episode of "Son-of-the-Beach" and the "Married with Children Episode" where Pat Morita guest starred as Marcie's boss. Anyone who has ever lived in Hawaii will realize that we're always making racial jokes and comments, but we never use racial slurs and "hate" words, except to describe ourselves.

"HeWhoWatches certainly has the right to express himself within the TOS here and is worth treating with as much respect as anyone else." and so do i. "A fly, Sir, may sting a stately horse and make him wince; but one is still an insect, and the other is a horse still." -- Samuel Johnson "What a fine thing it is to have an intellect, and room enough in the seat of your breeches to hold it." samuel clemens. ooooo i can read and quote people too.that must mean i'm real smart. what vanity!"a stately horse" ??? only in your mind sally

If we have governants, they go to hollydays for some time and the country goes on without any difference, it means that the governants aren't necessary. So with anarchy we can have the same thing without the waste of money paying the governants and politicians!

"I don't consider yours or anyone else's laughing at Japanese (or anyone elses) racial sterotypes to be racist. However in listing the qualities of our race, you left out the glasses and the diminutive penis." Oops, forgot the glasses, as well as that Japanese condoms are smaller (and more reliable) than American condoms. Being racist is not necessarily bad, but can definitely be humorous. A black woman that I lived with did everything "because she was black". She liked cornbread because she was black. She liked fried chicken because she was black. She liked shrimp because she was black. She liked watermelon because she was black. She vacuumed in the nude because she was black. Oops, scratch that last one, she never claimed that particular behavior was because she was black. Of course, while I am white, I also like corn bread, fried chicken, shrimp, and watermelon, yet it took me a long time to convince her that she enjoyed these things simply because they were good, and that attributing this to her being black was racist. "Shame on you! For pennance, you must watch every episode of "Son-of-the-Beach" and the "Married with Children Episode" where Pat Morita guest starred as Marcie's boss." Pennance? I tried to never miss "Son-of-the-Beach", and I would never pass up a show with Pat Morita in it, even an episode of "The Hughleys". Scratch that, I watch "The Hughleys" fairly often just for Elise Neal, but I would watch for Pat Morita even without Elise Neal. Dale LaRoy Splitstone

I guess the omission of two of our most outstanding racial characteristics was merely an oversight. Interesting comment about the condoms... So that's why mine kept falling off. Xadmax2 told me he was sorry for using the term "Jap". He changed his item's name to Mask. I thanked him for that.