I was wondering if anyone could give me advantages and disadvantages of both. A comparison and images to show which one is better. Render the same image in both. I am really interested in Cinema 4D, but have only ever worked in Poser (from 3 onward). any help would be much appreciated. Kindest Regards Rich

Check the C4D gallery here and at the MAXON website you will see there is no comparison

But what about render times and stuff? How long do they take? Does it do animations? Can it take poser models? (just for converting old pictures I've done) Cheers peeps.

C4D's renderer is one of the fastest on the market. C4D does animations. Importing Poser animations is another story. Currently, the latest version plugins do not support Poser animations. And yes, there are several ways to load your poser models and scenes into C4D. You can "make" C4D R8 use the CL C4D plugin (originally for R7.3), but you'll need Poser 4 ProPack (even if you have Poser 5). You can load the geometry exported from Poser and redo all of the textures (this is the hard way, but always works). Or, you can use one of several third-party plugins for C4D that import Poser scenes and figures (GreenbriarStudio.com has an increasingly excellent set just for this purpose). Kuroyume

There is really no comparison, whatsoever. C4d is based in modelling and can do lots of stuff as well or better then the major "top end" modeling programs. you can bone and animate a figure in C4d, but it's a lot harder to do then loading a figure into poser which of course is designed really to do only animation and stills of boned figures. as for the rendering engines, P5 has a very nice engine, compared to the p4 engine. and for the money its quite good but fairly slow. but you can't compare it to C4d. we're talking apples and oranges again. but bottom line do you want to get a sub $200 upgrade of whats basicly a one trick pony, (albeit in my opinion one that does that trick so well and easily that its easily worth the rediculously low price) or spend $1600 on a package that is becoming more and more commonly used on big budget professional films. you can get some really spectacular images out of C4d but you are talking a huge leap in the amount of work that it involves getting those images. basicly if you dont want to learn to model. and want to use other peoples models to assemble your own scenes and render stills or animation from them you would probably be better off sticking with Poser or better yet go poser and Vue D'esprit for the ability to do detailed outdoor scenes and use a better rendering engine. if you like the idea of modeling your own scenes and props and have the time to devote tons of hours to doing it, C4d has to be one of the best for doing that as well as being fairly easy to learn (if I can learn it anyone can) but expect to take many many many times longer to assemble the same scenes that can be done with ease in poser.

Thank you for your help. I guess the main thing that I am looking for is to take the poser stuff I have done/ am doing and find a better render engine. P5 looks to have a great render engine but the C4D one is unbelievable. Is there any programs that have as good a renderer or is it possible to port all my poser stuff to C4D and render it there and get the truely high quality??

Render the same image in both. This is a bad method for comparison. I can setup scenes that look awesome in Poser 5 that look like cr*p in Cinema and vice versa. E.g. Cinema 4D has fast caustics and radiosity implementations, but doesn't offer true displacement mapping. Overall, the two applications have different target audiences anyway. Cinema 4D is a comprehensive all-in-one 3D suite where Poser is clearly focussed on character animation, rendering and partially also creation. Cinema 4D has features like NURBS modeling, particles, physics simulation or sound rendering that Poser doesn't have and probably never will have. In my experience however, character setup, posing and animation is a lot more complicated in Cinema 4D R7 than in Poser 5. Cinema 4D 8 is supposed to have better character animation tools, but I haven't used it yet. Of course, pricing is an issue: The cheapest version of Cinema4D is 699,- EUR here, the MOCCA character animation module costs another 399,- EUR and for the "Zygote humans to go" package you pay another 179,- EUR. Still, among the "big ones", Cinema still has one of the best price/performance ratios. The question is, will you ever need all that? There are some really good lower priced packages like Carrara, TrueSpace, Pixels or Real3D that have outstanding features as well. You should take a look at them before making a decision.

Hi Richmathews, I started to integrate Poser-figures into C4D Art7 nearly a year ago, updated to C4D 8XL a few month ago and will never regret it. When I started I used the PoserProPack C4D plugin but speed and quality of the imported figures were very disappointing. Then I textured the figures the "hard-way", like kuroyume0161 said. Slow, complete control and much better results. Today I am using Nikis free poser-plugin from AmazonesCity (see Plugin-Database in the C4D-Forum), whith this you can even use MAT-files in C4D on the imported Poser-figures. A big helper! If you like then check my Renderosity gallery for a few sample pictures. Fredy

Attached Link: Poser to Povray tutorial

*I guess the main thing that I am looking for is to take the poser stuff I have done/ am doing and find a better render engine.* I've heard people had success in using Povray with Poser. Povray is a free raytracer, and there is a myriad of other free high-quality render engines like Yafray, 3Delight or Aqsis.

hmm all those external renderers need a lot of programming just to get a poser figure to render in them. as far as I know there is no simple interface for using them with poser scenes, until, that is, Daz sudio comes out, as it in fact will start basicly as a Poser-3Delight interface.

I think most questions have been answered but i'm a huge fan of cinema so i'll stick my oar in anway LOL.....pro pack with Cinema V7 is the automated way to get a poser figure in C4d but if stills are your main thing then p5 and R8 will work great (not the p5 hair though you can't use that)...like Stewer says rendering the same thing twice is not a good idea, but having said that 99% you'll get a better render in cinema and its much much faster....heres a few renders from cinema using P5 and the cloth room..Wdupre in cinemas case you just export an obj, import and add the textures...Steve http://www.poserworld.com/steve/litm.jpg http://www.poserworld.com/steve/lmonkeys.jpg http://www.poserworld.com/StevePublicPrvws/kidsbedroom.jpg http://www.poserworld.com/steve/thewhistleman.jpg

Just try both demo versions and you will soon find out what you like best. I used to do everything in Poser until I discovered Cinema. I wish I discovered Cinema before I discovered Poser....