Here's the Centaur

The first breed morphs pack will include: Draft (Percheron) Quarterhorse Shetland Arabian Thoroughbred Zebra Donkey Mule Additionally there will be the Centaur, Pegasus and Unicorn. The mouth will be posable, will open and have Mimic Phonemes for you Mr. Ed fans.

Why isn't he colored pink?

PINK?

I thought that all ponies were pink.

I'm wondering if the Morphs will fix the leg issues. They are definitely too thin. IMO, it really shows on the centaur. Any chance we can see a peek at what the morphs look like? :D

Will there be a dapple grey texture in the pack? I'm not really a horse person, but I've always loved dapple greys... no matter what the breed...

Head morphs include: Mimic Phonemes Snarl L/R Chew L/R Open Mouth Nostrils Flaring Yell Lip Morphs Basic Expressions Blink Wince Brow Up/Down Brow Worry Eye Smile Body Morphs include: Pregnant Mal-nourished Fetlock Morphs Muscular Necks Shoulders Serratus Quarters FBM Combo Hoof Morphs Wide Sharp Size Mare Gelding We will also have a strong set of initial poses. Hope this answers some of your questions. We'll show some morphs next week...

lol I'm looking forwards to seeing Mr. Ed type animations.

Looking forward to the morph images. :D

MMMMM...sounds like a nice choice of breeds..Yay for Donkey !! And in head morphs..one everyons seems to forget..but is a pretty common expression,,esp for stallions...Flehmen. You know..that one where horse has smelt something REALLY interesting..head up, lips curled RIGHT back ??

lol I'm looking forwards to seeing Mr. Ed type animations.

Ed? (MPEG format, 385KB)

This has been squatting on my hard drive for over a year. I made it shortly after purchasing the Charger.

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tee hee Sadly I don't seem to get sound? (Mac, Safari, Quicktime)

Try right-clicking and saving to your hard drive, if your browser supports it. The sound works on my PC with QuickTime 6.5.

Okay it would seem it is too late for changes but guys really think about this. This is the type of hair people want. Especially if you are doing a unicorn the hair has to be to die for. I would hold on to it a bit longer if the tail and manes can eb improved. As long as there is time, I could make them as a hair pack. I will have to email you guys again monday. Up to you guys -Anton

I have to second that motion. I'd love a mane and tail like that. Fabulous image, Anton.

... if you guys have if finished. (And models do not get to the texture artists until they are complete, grouped, jointed, and mapped.) You aren't asking for hints to improve it, you are showing off "a done deed" and you are trying to get us to slobber all over it and bring out our wallets. Thanks to the admin for moving it to Product Showcase, where all sales pitches belong. That said, this horse is an improvment over the P4 horse, but it still is a spindly-legged animal, with bad withers. I asked elsewhere for a back view because I have my doubts there, too. My preference is for Arabs, but I have ridden mostly quarter horses, and this one will not stand up to the trail. By the time I was 3, I was drawing recognizable horses (that was 50 years ago), but I wouldn't put my sig on one with legs like a deer! Considering the problems Lyne has had morphing the MilDog, this beast might not be morphable, either... especially if it starts out with poor proportions. And the centaur is even worse!!! Why does he have what the Brits call "brewer's droop" and we Americans call a "beer belly" hanging down like that? If the legs won't support a horse head, they certainly won't support half the weight of a man!!! And it looks like two plastic models glued together with no sense of how the underlying skeleton and organs would be arranged. (And it also looks like the glue melted.) Please, when you are making a figure, think about it as a life form not just a cluster of polygons! Yes, we are dying to get our hands on an improved horse, but after all this time, give us a good one. Carolly, not impressed

I third it. Conforming mane/tail figures would be ideal. Would be necessary, I would think, if it's going to have a donkey morph. With separate "wigs," you could have cropped, long and flowing, or something in between. Or even braided, if the pixies have been into the barn... ;-)

A horse is a horse, of course, of course and that is all I want..a horse that is a horse. bring it on...

This is one of the best adaptations of a Centaur in artwork. It is a statue by Rimmer called "The dying Centaur". I was lucky enough to see this in person and have a photo I took somewhere, but here is one I found on the web. Notice that the chest muscles of the horse become the ab/pelvis of the man. Carolly is right. the front legs have to he more powerful to sustain a torso. -Anton

OK. Home from work :). Are you guys (DAZ) going to fix the conformational errors? Why did you not get correct reference material or at least show it to someone who did realize how gross the errors are? Go Carolly :) Go Anton - all your pics have correct bone weight for the body size If anyone tries to animate that beast it's really going to show even if they don't know squat about horses. His stride (what's left of it after his knees knock his jaw off) will be choppy/short/stilted. Not to mention the fat lip he'll have. If this is a WIP it can be fixed. If not, then as was mentioned before you're trying to drum up support/anticipation/grabbing of credit cards. If it were an incredible animal there would be no problem. I don't want a horse with a centaur living in it. I want a GOOD horse.

and just for the record...for want of a nail...there's a message in there

notice DAZ on both Anton's pic of the (I think Lippizan) and Daio's pic of her black stallion that the forearm bone (the one coming out of his shoulder) is MUCH longer than the cannon bone (the one below the knee). It's much more evident on Anton's pic because the animal is out in the open. Also notice how the length of the forearm bone and the proportions of forearm/cannon bone affect the length of stride and reach (that's the front legs moving outward).

also notice the "give" in the fetlock (the little joint directly connecting the hoof upwards). There's a lot of "give" in that little joint which allows the horse to "spring" back up off his feet/legs. In Anton's pic it's very evident in the hind legs.

think its an andalusian, movida... ~S

Gee, you guys are being tough on DAZ! ;-) Nobody seemed to pick up on the fact that aparently it can graze, something the P4 horse can't even get close to. Incidently, I gravitated to the same problems mentioned when I was actively working on my horse, too-thin legs and too-high knees, I think it comes from doing so many female figures!

Thanks spinner, I wasn't sure. Beautiful animal. Horses are so incredibly beautiful that it burns me more than anything to see an opportunity so wasted. Jim: how many pics are going to have him grazing? It is an improvement but most pictures will be action pics. He needs to be able to move. But, as long as you mentioned his neck, it's set on too low. Look at Bloodsongs' Heavy Horse. He has an incredible neck/shoulder

Being a "horse person" as much as a cat person...I was curious... but oooh dear.. those "deer legs".. ! The ears are so tiny and do not have the shape, especially at the base of the ear that would make it "real"....and no look inside it's mouth? Bloodsong made the most beautiful "horse mouth parts" for our Ultimate Poser Horse FREEBIE and all who joined in on it have come up with some pretty credible breeds....I am not so inclinded to morph ANOTHER horse myself... I will probably get this one, IF the legs are made into horse legs... and if we see a profile pic that will really show it's conformation...MAYBE... Lyne

All of you are correct -- the proportions just don't look right at all.......

REAL horses are shaped entirely differently.

How could they possibly make such a mistake?

I think that I'll sue!!!!!!

ROFL xenophonz! I just LOVE your little mini's!!!! Totally adorable!!!

One question... you are using the term Mil Horse... is that a definite statement this is being brokered through DAZ?

it's a DAZ creation. I also just noticed he's got the same defect in his rear pastern (I always mess up pastern/fetlock) that the P4 horse does. It flexes up/out instead of down/in???? Look at his inside left hoof in #2 where he's rearing.

They're probably still doing some work on it. I think I like the big cat a little better though :)

Is the Big cat another one of the Mil releases they have planned?

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I can't believe DAZ didn't run it by the horsey set before it was set in stone. I'm not a horse person, but I know how picky horse people are, and often ask their advice first before doing horse art. Presumably people are going to be using this model as many used the dog and cat models - to do portraits of actual companion animals. So accuracy will be important. Yes, it can graze, but so can EdW's morphed P4 horse. I'm eager for a new horse, but I'd rather they wait and get it right. Especially if the leg length is going to affect gait. As you may know, the topic of horses' gaits is a Big Deal among horse people, and if it doesn't look right...well, that would suck. :-) And the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of separate, conforming mane and tail figures. If Mike 3 can have a conforming weenie, why can't the horse have a conforming tail? Seems like this would be a great way to deal with the problem of system resources, too. People who have older machines could use a low-res version, or leave off the mane and tail entirely, and add them with postwork. Or if you wanted to do a whole herd of horses, low-res manes and tails would be enough. If you have a top of the line machine and are doing a closeup, though, load up the high-res mane figure! As for the centaur - I realize it's a WIP, but I don't like it so far. I think I'd be more likely to buy Sixus1's centaur, though it's more musclebound than I care for. (See link.) I really like Anton's pic. Now that's a centaur!

Anton, they have the preview of the big cat in the DAZ forum. I don't know if that is part of the 6-figure plan you were talking about earlier...

In regards to the Centaur, your input has been very helpful, although what Bryan posted was a very early WIP and has no bearing on the state of the current or intended final builds of the product. More images will be posted after the mesh has been finalized and the joints completed. Ron DeFreitas DraX Multimedia Designs

Thanks to all of you for your excellent feedback. Tony Brandt will post a list tomorrow of all the new changes we will incorporate in the Mill Horse thanks to your input. And yes, the Centaur was a VERY EARLY WIP. We are confident that Ron will make this an outstanding DAZ product.

I found this for DAZ: http://www.gaitedhorses.net/Conformation/BodyParts.htm not being snotty but I hope you guys look at it because he's got a rear end too. There are pictures and explanations of "good" and "bad"

I can't tell by the post whether they are done with the horse or not. If you're so unhappy with the result, it might be better to wait for the Cubed horse.

What is the Cubed horse?

the littlebrother of the squared horse... ;-) ~S

CUBED is the company that supplies content for poser 5. They are reworking the P4 animals.

well actually that is a bit tricky. CL had wroongly granted permision but Daz holds copyright over some meshes. I think what Cubed have planned now will probably be from scratch.

That would seem correct. I'm just saying that people should give the MilHorse a chance and if it isn't up to their standards there will be another one coming out.

People will give it a chance I am sure. Intense feedback has to be understood for what it is at times. Usually it is because people care deeply. Sometimes it is vindictive or manipulative but I think everyone here sees alot of potential and just wants it to be as great as possible. For some people who have been around for several years and have bought three horses already, feedback from the past seemingliy ignored/forgotten can rush to the surface. In this case I think people are vocal because they really want it to be perfect seeing how far along it is already. And if you ask for feedback you better stand back. :) It can knock you off your feet if it catches you off guard.

"And if you ask for feedback you better stand back. :) It can knock you off your feet if it catches you off guard. " Amen, Brother !! :) It just goes to show how passionate folks can get over their favourite animal. I, for one, am hoping for some good donkey textures..complete with shoulder cross and dorsal stripe :) I know maybe I'm asking a bit much in advance, but any idea just HOW it will be released ? (not when, we've all seen relase dates slip). Is it planned to go the same way as Mil cat and dog ? The mesh at realtively give-away price..but without any texture ? I, for one, would be much happier if the 'starter-pack' for new releases could contain at least one, basic texture. So we can actually get some idea of the models potential straight out of the box ?