Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=629748&Start=379&Sectionid=0&filter_genre_id=0&Whats

ok this is geting aggravating. the other day I saw a picture that had a hat and such blantantly pasted onto the pic and knew it was from a copyrighted picture. sure enough it was and the artist noted{lets not get into how much kudos the picture was geting when the material wasnt even the one claiming it} today browsing the gallery I see a thumb nail and was like "hold on I know that pic and it does not belong to that person" I poped open the thumb and it is a picture of a girl in a prison. the girl is not from that setting originally and I am sure the "I got it from a tube" will come up again. the thing is we all know very well that many of the tube communities use pictures that are stolen. so then why are pictures that use them allowed here when a large lot of them are copyright infringed material? I am going nuts trying to go through all the gallery listings I have to get the originating picture of this girl in blue. The thing is if we ..viewers see something WE KNOW is copyrighted we cant do anything because we are just viewers. I ask, what if you poped open a pic and O.O there was part of your picture? I know there are MANY here that would blow a gasket. I think that it is time renderosity takes a stand on this. we need to cut this off before it become a place that copyright infringers think it is safe to post here. There ARE tube places out there that are clean and original work but I am seeing more and more pieces with blantant copyright infringed work. things you just know when you first see it that it is not suppose to be a tube. For those that Tube, please becareful of the sites you go to. also if a woman, figure,dragon what ever looks THAT good chances are the artist didnt give permission. Most artist do not creat these works to be cut up. Just take a moment to think about that. and those using them no matter what..dont think the works wont be recognized. they will and you will get reported. it just plain and simple not worth it. the link goes to the pic I am talking about I know the blue girl from another work and am going half nuts looking for it.~sighs~

"viewers see something WE KNOW is copyrighted we cant do anything because we are just viewers" Why not comment on the image and inform the mods? That's what I've done in the past. But I agree, there's so much of this stuff goes on it's overwhelming. I honestly didn't know about "tubes" until a month or so back - I'd never heard of them. Personally I'd go even further and say that art created using the art of others, be it tubes or stock or whatever, be given a separate category. That way the skills of a person who simply cuts and pastes will never get ranked against the person who creates a completely original work from scratch.

Hmm... just checked out the image linked to. If this image is a (c) violation then it may well be the fault of the site that supplied the compenent parts rather than the artist. My comment about separate categories still stands, however.

background from free stuff lady from free downloads at kandy's psp site thanks for looking This is written on the bottom of the poem, do not see what hte problem is, the artist is saying that they didn't create the chick or the bg but just pasted together......

the thing is the girl is copyrighted. that is the problem. It is not crediting the artist that created it. and more then likely{ I can not say for sure but as the artist is not created it is a safe bet} the artist doesnt even know it is being cut and pasted like this. again if you opened up one of the thumbs and saw YOUR work cut and pasted and the "the so and so is a tube from such and such site" would you not be alittle ticked? it is common sence. if the picture looks that good chances are the artist didnt do it with the intention of it being a tube and more then likely doesnt even KNOW. sorry but that is wrong. and someone that says..it was a tube. they are responsable for finding out if the tube they are dling is legal and free and clear. a simple email to the tube site. "hey I was interested in such a such tube. has it been cleared with the artist for use? and if so is there a copy availble to see" simple. very very simple. it clears you and it clears the site. and any site that would post the work.

on a second thought I am abit confused. posts and posts threads and threads have been dedicated here to copyright infringment and how wrong it is. "burned at the stake" is a good discription for some of the instances of it. why is it ok then to infring in this manner? I am totally confused. why is it ok to infringe because it was a "tube" ?

Yeah but do you know if it is alright to use the girl in a tube, from your post it doesn't seem so, I am all for burning at the stake when it is warrented but it just doesn't seem like you have proof to me ( no I am not trying to start a flame war 'neither :) just playing devils advocate cause prob a (C) has occured)

It's most certainly not okay to infringe someone's copyright by tubing. Any that we catch here are removed as soon as we know about them and can verify that they're rip-offs. One thing you have to bear in mind though... we can't just pull it because a member points it out. We have to have some kind of evidence to work with (a link to the original, a complaint from the original artist, something like that) unless it's something so obvious that anyone would catch it. I've just looked at the image you mention. If you can provide a link to the original image of the girl, I'll gladly look into it deeper, but just because the artist says it came from a psp site doesn't automatically mean it's a copyright violation. There's always the chance the original artist posted the image at the psp site for others to use, and we have to bear that in mind too. Kev.

I'm no expert at copyright issues...Nor PSP tubes.. There are a lot of tube sites that use images with out permission. I'm not accusing anyone,but I've seen enough of it. if we knew where the original image was before it was "tubed" that would help.. I'll bring this up to some other Mods who know more about this than I do..

trust me I am going through my gallery links. I know that I cant do anything with out the link to the originating picture. the thing is I posted so to kind of open eyes. Renderosity is on alimb with things like this. I think it is time that a point is made perhaps an addition to the TOS stateing that if you are using tubes to please make sure that the material is copyright free. asking for verification is not extreme in this at all.

odeathoflife no flame war at all. I understand where you are coming from. But if you see a royo..a bergkvst{which she clearly states it not to be used} a vallejo or something that is amazing. you just -know-.

Attached Link: Copyright Overview

Tubes are a wonderful feature of PSP, and can be used for everything from enhancing an image to creating an entire image with nothing but tubes....however, copyright applies to tubes, just like it applies to everything else - you can't just see an image you like and "tube out" a chunk of it and use it in your own work or offer it on your site for download without the artist's permission....unfortunately, a great many "tubers" do not understand or respect this (even though they know better), and a lot of newbies don't realize that just because a tube is offered somewhere doesn't mean the tuber has the right to do so, or don't understand that making a tube from someone else's work doesn't give them the right to use it. As the mod of the PSP forum, I try to keep reminding people of this fact in threads every couple of months, and have written a copyright overview (linked above) that addresses this and other basic copyright rules.....but some people are going to ignore the rules no matter how many times they are told of them, and will continue to "snag" and use whatever they want. (And of course, not everyone who uses PSP visits the forum or reads the overview :-P) There *are* reputable tube sites out there (I have one myself, thank you very much, LOL) that offer ONLY original tubes, created entirely from scratch, or from confirmed public domain images....a general "rule of thumb" for good tube sites will be that the person states that the tubes are "all original work", and there aren't any tubes of characters you recognize, such as Disney, Precious Moments, WB, Pokemon, etc. Images using copyrighted tubes are dealt with just like all other copyright/TOS violations here....but since there are many, many, many images here at Rosity, and not so many mods, we depend on the members to help bring them to our attention, and appreciate it when you do! Any time you spot what you think may be a copyright violation, please IM the mod of that particular gallery (it helps if you can give some sort of reference to the original image), and it *will* be investigated by that mod and the rest of the team. As for this particular offending image, the girl *is* copyrighted - I don't remember the original artist, but I've seen this one enough to know.....and I will remove the image posthaste! I am also trying to compile a list of "reputable" tube sites, so if you know of one, PLEASE IM me with the url - thanks! dreamsosweet (or Sweet for short, LOL) PSP Moderator

Oh I do know there are many legal tube sites I know that. I am not slamming all tubes. But we need to keep our eyes open and tube responsably....that sounded so odd.lol. Artists need to look out for Artists. I am looking at the tube site. and for some reason I keep wanting to think it is actually a poser piece. >.< I am so sorry I am so scatterbrained. I remember either pictures or pieces of pictures and then....O.O I cant remember where or when and I go nuts. sorry for that. http://desktopenhancements.surfhoo.com/KandyKisses/people1.html that is the page the original tube is from the girl was originally in red. and in one of the tubes you can see abit of the bg.

LOL! "Tube responsibly" - I love it, and we all should....although it does sound sort of like a subject line from an email spam! ;-)

DE..did anyone send an email to KandyKiss to tell her that her tubes are from Copyrighted material and in essence are a nono? I could not find anything at her site that stated such, but surely she must be aware?

I tried and it got returned saying mailbox not available>.< I also recognized the fairy from armadillo fairy a piece done by Mark Ivan Cole. he was not aware of its tube use. and his sites are marked with not to be used with out permission. I also noted she has pages of disney things.>.< it is a nightmare of copyright and trademark infringment. the kicker is if you read her copyright disclaimer she says as far as she knows the things are public domain...I dont know what site she is geting some of her things from but I know two of the artists have clearly marked on all their sites that their work is not to be used. and I know disney is down right visciouse about it.

Her "copyright info/disclaimer" reads as follows.... ------- To the best of my knowledge pictures used to make the tubes on my site are free for public use. But my garphics come from many many sources so on occasion this may not be true. If you see a tube you know or believe is copyrighted would you please e-mail me and tell me which tube and which page. I have e-mail links on all of my pages. If you do know who the artist is, this would also be Very helpful in my being able to locate them and ask for permission to use their art in the tube. So that it may be used with permission and no one gets in trouble for it, or to remove the tube if needed. When and if I am notified that a picture is copyrighted I will include on this page the picture used for the tube in question and ask everyone visiting if they know who the artist is if it isn't known ,,, so I can find who I need to contact ,,,,, Thank you all for taking the time to read this and for your help in the future ,,,, Kandy P.S. For those of you who visit here often you may want to check this page at the beginning of your visits to see if any tubes are listed in question of copyright issues. Thank You :o) ------- Somehow I don't think an email to her will help, she seems to have a lot of copyrighted material in her tubes, and doesn't seem to make much of an effort on her own to track them down - depending on your downloaders to track your images for you is not "responsible tubing"....

:) responsable tubing a twelve step program for tubing on the net~said in the best annoucing voice~ LOL. nope and the addy returns the mail sent to it. so actually no way to get ahold of her.

Well if one cannot email her without the mail being 'returned', then it's an impossibilty.

Then her provider needs a little e-mail, eh?

I have searched and searched for her domain server and I cannot find it.

At this time I think that at least Disney should be notified. I sent mail to her at "desktop_enhancements@hotmail.com" and so far it has not been returned. It's getting late for me here in Arkansas and past my bedtime...so I'll check with you all later on this.

Sorry, I spoke too soon. lol The mail to her at that addy just got returned to me. sigh

GUH...this is just icky an artist cant contact her either to get their work removed. GUH

I think you'll find this site has been abandoned for quite awhile. I know it's been on the 'net for at least 4 years as it was one of the first places that introduced me to tubes. (nope, never used them :) ) At the time I belonged to a group that was scroupulous(sp) at getting permission to tube various images, artists who said no had their wishes, not to mention copyright, adhered to. Course, then I discovered Poser and had no need to seek permission from anyone as I now make my own :) Please excuse the spelling, it's just gone 7am here and I'm not really awake.

s'ok. it is 2am here.lol tubes are not all bad. when you need a quick rose,butterfly,gem,etc,etc, they can help. try doing a whole web set with multiple pages when the person wants everything in pearls and lilies and you will find out how much help they can be>.<{specially if you do them ahead of time and save them. I did that with a bunch of dividers that I did in bladepro.} just those that are mutilating and yes I mean mutilating art work for tubes..guh>.< just take a few mins and write the artist! O.O can you tell this tweeks me out?

Eeeks...I just used one her tubes ( a Fairy Godmother) in a moderin Cinderella type image I did for Poser gallery. I redid the image now using a Brush for photo shop that is sold here by ilona. It is called the Mystic Forest Brushes. The new image has been uploaded in place of the old one. Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention about her site. Warm Regards, Nancy (SophiaDeer)

I hear ya Nancy! I used one of hers as well when I started my Fractal gallery many months ago. It was brought to my attention discreetly and I immediately pulled that piece of work. still reeking with embarrasment

.>>>>>>and discreetly pull my foot out of my mouth. shoelaces just dont taste that good. sorry Ardiva and SophiaDeer

Exactly. :-)

it is just a huge pet peeve. I dont mean that all tubers are that way,,,,snagers that is. but it is growing to a problem. it is just aggravating. Several artists here and at epi and a few other galleries I am at as well as myself have been victim to this problem and after you see the bazillanth site with material like that you just near snap. ~sighs~

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what I am wondering is why DE felt the need to apologize. She is right. If you didn't have the common sense to check and make sure the material was okay to use, then you are at fault. If the subject hit to close to home too bad. DE you shouldn't of backed down. you were right.