Why are people posting Free Stuff for Poser with such poor info? If I do a search, and the only info about the stuff is in the thumbnail, it's not easy to find Some of it's not so easy to read, either. And, if you think that's bad, there's a download-link for a website with some useful clothes on it, but the only information is a set of pictures, linking to compressed files. I can make a guess which character they're matched to, but... The people doing this sort of thing are idiots. Not talentless, but if they can't type "These clothes are made to fit Victoria 3", or whatever, what are they doing out of grade school?

AntoniaTiger, Perhaps you can be a might bit more gracious towards the people who are making and giving away the product of their hands and skill? Not all of them speak English. Most of the files I have looked at have had something in the notes and comments link. This is especially true if the item requires another item to work (for example: a texture for a dress)... because then you won't waste their bandwidth by downloading something you won't use if you don't have the underpinnings. Bandwidth is expensive. I would suggest buying everything you are going to use in a picture if this troubles you so much. Commercial packages are required to have readmes and MATs and zips all laid out in order. They have product support and merchants to answer questions. You won't have to fret about "who is it for" or "will it fit", and you won't have to resort to name-calling. As to the search issue: People can add keywords, which might not appear in the file description but which can help identify the item. Unfortunately, this Forum only allows one word searches, unlike 3dcommune with the boolean search on 3 names. That is not a problem that the modelers and texturers can solve.

Ditto Carolly. If you find it such a pain, either buy everything you need, or make the stuff yourself. And if the freestuff section here was organised more like the marketplace (eg having categories for Clothing>V3 or Poses>Mike 2) perhaps that would help. Please don't insult the generosity of people who willingly and gladly share their hard work.

OK.. you're out of grade school yourself? are you SURE about that? For one thing your subject field in this post is wrong. Why such poor download into? Sorry but it took me a while to figure out what you was trying to say... Have it occured to you that the same thing MIGHT be the cause in some of those oh-so-sucky FREEbies here? A simple typo? Also, as Carolly said, a lot of the contributors here aren't native english speaking people, I'd like you to post something in flawless japanese - or danish for that matter. When you can do that, we can talk again. Untill then, all I can say is

Don't feed the trolls

I'm with you on that one Ernyoka ;)

Nevertheless, I am sometimes bemused when I see something offered in freestuff such that it is impossible to tell what it even IS - is it a texture, or a pose set, or a background photo, or what? I'm not going to bother downloading it to find out. One presumes that people who bother to upload freebies do so with the intention that said items will be used. If one is too obscure, it defeats that intention.

Phantast I agree that some things are hard to tell what they are, and what thay are for. But calling people who gives away stuff for "idiots" is hardly the best way to make friends here. And if it looks usefull and ou're not sure what it is, why not simply IM the creator and ask? Sometimes you feel that it's obvious when you make it and forget that it may not be as obvious to other people :o)

Not to mention that ernyoka makes some of the best freebies around! Thanks Trekkegrrl! ;O)

I suggest that you show those damned idiots who's boss and BOYCOTT their downloads! That'll show 'em! bonni

@elizabyte, ROFLMHO Can I bring a sign "Down(load) with Idiots" and pack a paper bag lunch??? :O)

ROFLMAO bonni!!

"The people doing this sort of thing are idiots. Not talentless, but if they can't type "These clothes are made to fit Victoria 3", or whatever, what are they doing out of grade school?" This is probably the most tactless, ungrateful and plain shitty remark I have ever seen here.

Well said SamTherapy!!

I've seen alot worse comments here than "out of grade school"; I've seen juvenile insults and hostility to newbies that have gotten various people banned or warned over the years. So there's no profit in attacking this lady for griping about the freestuff. I agree it's wrong to look a gift horse in the mouth, so a word behind the scenes to the freestuff mods would work much better than posting it here for self-righteous people to react against. I would suggest that you guys forgive her for appearing tactless, and don't err on the side of enmity yourselves.

well, when RO will provide us a good database way of putting a few keywords to describe the product, and a good search engine, instead of just "title of the item" and "comment", things will be easier for freebie providers... btw oki we are idiots, so please leave us alone and don't let your divine being/self spoiled by our lameness and leave us alone between ourselves idiots, i would appreciaite ! such a behavior, though not concerning them, is a total insult to some very famous providers of free ressources such as Yamato, Maya, etc, whom material i always used because it often reach the quality of RMP items, for nothing. insulting freebie contributors as a whole, and for partially things that are not their fault but a lack of functionnality of OR itself and we cannot solve on our own, it is just improductive and mean ! so forget freestuff section, please, i beg you and go on to RMP or at DAZ or anywhere and don't bother with us pathetic worms !!! i was educated/raised in the feeling i should respect one that gives out/shares one's time, efforts and skills (any level) freely to the others instead of keeping all one can to oneself. I sure had a bad education maybe !

and oh yes i am lame ever daring to answer teh post (btw a edit fucntion to the forum or better forum engine would be nice too, when speaking of changes) and i misspelled OR instead of RO for rosity (it was either deleting whole post or leaving it as is.. see, lack of functionnalities ! phpbb for forums is what i ask at least...) and for assaulting me with "oh no you're feeding the troll" replies, i would say that i like feeding trolls to the poitn they "die of indigestion !"

Trekkiegrrl wrote: "Phantast I agree that some things are hard to tell what they are, and what thay are for. But calling people who gives away stuff for 'idiots' is hardly the best way to make friends here. And if it looks usefull and ou're not sure what it is, why not simply IM the creator and ask?" I didn't call anyone an idiot. If I can't tell what an item is, then it can't possibly look useful to me. And I can no more be bothered to IM the creator than I can be bothered to download it (which would probably be quicker). It just means the creator of the item might as well not have uploaded it in the first place.

well phantast, one "nonidiot" thing to do wouldbe to IM the freestuff admins/moderators to ask them if a database system to classify better frebies, offer to frebie contributor keywords/checkbox/lists to define their product, and a better search engine could be put in action !

And I never said YOU called anyone an idiot. But AntoniaTiger DID. And honestly.. noone forces anyone to download anything here... if you don't like an item - for whatever reason, then just leave it be. Simple as that :o) If I uploaded a texture for Kiki and put a pic of Kiki in the thumbnail, my guess it that MOST people would know what it was,even without me having to write Texture for Kiki all over it. And the ones who doesn't know what it is, prolly haven't got Kiki in the first place. but hey.. I'm probably just one of the idjits...

I have noticed that stupidity (at least the assumption of it) seems to be rampant in the Poser forum; every other question is 'I'm stupid, probabably a dumb question'..so many people assume that a basic problem is 'dumb'. It does tend to wear on one..I've seen 'dumb' questions in here that are about python scripts, advanced texturing, etc., that's way above my level of understanding..treat yerself right, and just ask questions..;)
As for the documentation issue, most downloads have 'readme.txt' or such files that explain what it is, where it goes, and almost anything except who made it and where it came from..;). There's no real standardization, and sometimes folks just forget (my stuff on Peejay's site needs to be better documented, not to mention texutred, etc..;)
Heck, in my ideal scheme (I think I have one download like it), you'd have a thumbnail of the item, who made it, where it came from, what files are listed, etc., which would be a great timesaver..;)
One trick with the 'search' function in Freestuff, is that it tends towards exact matches; you have to make it enough words to narrow down the search, but not so specific that it misses something..usually 1, maybe 2 words to find thing..spoken by someone who's spent way too much time searching for freebies..;)

"And I never said YOU called anyone an idiot." It kinda reads that way to anyone not paying attention. "And honestly.. noone forces anyone to download anything here... if you don't like an item - for whatever reason, then just leave it be." Not disputed. I do leave it. I'm not complaining, I'm just mildly bemused, "If I uploaded a texture for Kiki and put a pic of Kiki in the thumbnail, my guess it that MOST people would know what it was,even without me having to write Texture for Kiki all over it. And the ones who doesn't know what it is, prolly haven't got Kiki in the first place." Well, that depends. If you had a pic of Kiki and a small text saying "Fun for Kiki by Trekkiegrrl" it could be a texture, or a morph, or a set of poses, or a hair style or a prop, depending on what was in the picture.

This is why I love it here. Someone asks a question, which should lead to a process-review and a better organization of items, but instead, the situation goes like this:

Question: "I just downloaded a dress. There is no readme file in the zip file and it doesn't say which model it's for. Why don't artists include this information when they make a dress?"

Answer: Shut up, you stupid troll. Geez, can't you just be grateful for the free things that people graciously give you??

But, I would be more grateful if I could actually use this free item on a character.

Did I say you could speak, troll? Unless you are prepared to give your undying thanks to the free stuff providers, you are unworthy to post such a question. I demand that such question be stricken from this community henceforth!

Or how about this:

New person: Hi. I just installed Poser and saw all these really neat textures for Vicky. Where can I get Vicky for free?

Answer: How dare you ask that question here? I will call down the mighty admins upon you and strike you down where you stand. File sharing is illegal and it's time you learned your lesson.

But, I just installed Poser yesterday. What is a "warez"? I don't know which figures are for sale and which are free.

LIAR! I can spot a warez kitty. Your information has been sent to the admins so they can ban you, your family, your pets, and all of your neighbors for asking such a question. Now be gone so they can lock this thread.

Wow, what a rush! It's amazing how one ungrateful person can stir up so much crap. I agree that there are some items available in the "Free Stuff" area whose descriptions are rather ambiguous. However, I for one have never found this to be much of a problem. If I don't know what it's for, I'll check it out in the program. If I like it or find it useful, I keep it. If not, I discard it. Sure this may take some time but the operative word here is "free". I agree also that AntoniaTiger could show a bit more graciousness toward the contributors. They don't have to give their work away. They choose to. Glad you're not on my gift list.

Well, I wasn't expecting things to get this vitriolic... Pakled, the "dumb question" meme might have something to do with the quality of the Poser documentation, at least for P5. An index is not a re-working of the Contents pages, neither is it a concordance, and the Poser 5 manual isn't even the worst I've seen. So, for quite a while, I'd be struggling with a problem and wondering what I'd missed because of the lousy indexing. Now, if you'll excuse me, a clerical gentleman has promised to bring me a comfy chair...

Now, if you'll excuse me, a clerical gentleman has promised to bring me a comfy chair... Hah! Nobody expected that! >;-> bonni (going to fetch the rack)

Lol @ JohnRender - so true!

I disagree. In this case, the offense did not come from a polite for information. It came from a direct insult. It's an odd thing about human beings, but most of them don't like being called idiots. Nice smokescreen, though. I particularly like the effect with the mirrors.

Oh FyreSpiryt.. for a moment I thought I was the one that was wrong here.. At least this makes two of us ;o)

JohnRender's jest still has a point to it, whether the post that started this thread was polite or not. There is a tendency to come down from on high on some posters in this forum in much the way he parodies. Oh, and AntoniaTiger at least didn't finger anyone in particular as an idiot, and while the post could have been better worded, to some extent it's a case of "if the cap fits ..."

Funny really, YOU are the only one who thought I said YOU called anyone an idiot... So talk about fitting caps L And yes. JohnRenders post holds an essence of truth, but that doesn't give anyone the right to be rude here. Also, very often misunderstandings spring from posts where the wording could be better OR the reader could be more thorough. Sometimes you THINK you read something and in effect the thing you thought you saw was the exact opposite. Sometimes due to a type (imagine what a issing "'t" can do in a sentence like I can't condone warezing - it would appear like I DID infact condone warezing.) We all make mistakes, but two times wrong doesn't equal one right :o)

anyway st of the time, freebie contributors often specialise themselves on one or two topics/subjects and characters. when in doubt, just browse a bit directly at their whole freestuff listing and sometime, a common theme or idea would emmerge... anyway it is no reason or excuse to stomp on contributors while RO itself has not yet provided a decent database&search engine for freebies. there are things taht, no matter how detailed a freebie and its readme, wanot be "faked" or compensated from the author's point of view... i too searched with the search engine and i lost most of my hair so far i am nearly bald now !

Has anyone ever looked at a zip with paths that start with:
artistname/itemname/runtime/etc/etc and not muttered idiot as they had to fix it? :) I have, I'll admit it. Now while I would never say it in the forums, only the height of frustration, AntoniaTiger has a point. No information is a problem. You can't exactly upload something without a readme file and then get upset when it's used in a way you didn't intend. And with V1, V2 and V3 it is necessary to specify which model. Koshini and kiki are pretty obvious, the others are not.

Such requests or wishes for structure in the free section are not stomping on contributors nor are they a lack of grattitude. Often times the free section is a prelude to the marketplace. What's wrong with doing it right?

{Has anyone ever looked at a zip with paths that start with: artistname/itemname/runtime/etc/etc and not muttered idiot as they had to fix it?} And it's information like this that should be shared. How many other people have downloaded that same file and muttered that same thing? One posting to the forum would tell the artist AND anyone else that their is something amiss in the zip file. No need to call anyone names, no need to be accusatory. Think about it from a productivity issue: one person spends 5 minutes fixing a zip file. 10 people download the file and spend 5 minutes (each) fixing the zip file. That's 50 minutes. 100 people download the file and spend 5 minutes fixing the zip file. That's 500 minutes or over 8 hours of people fixing the zip file!! I think the artist can spend an extra 10-15 minutes of their time, making the zip file correctly, to save 8 hours of other people's time.

"One posting to the forum would tell the artist AND anyone else that their is something amiss in the zip file. No need to call anyone names, no need to be accusatory." I agree with the intended result, but I think an IM would be more appropriate. Leaving aside the "don't slag me off in public" issue, I don't really want the Poser forum cluttered with "Broken freestuff!!!11!" posts. People obviously find it hard enough to give meaningful titles half the time here, I hardly think they'll stop to bother on this occasion. And of course, not all site members read the forums. Just us sad cases, heheheh. ;-)

johnrender has a point: how would conributors be aware of a problem if everyone just keep the error for oneself each in our corner ? some people IMed me for "false problems" (misinstallationand such) but some other reported me bugs, i also foudn some afterwards and fixed them, providing each time both the fix for initial zip and a new corrected zip for further downloads, and even some time (what i would i liked most) some users SHARED with me the fix they came with for a bug i made !

Yeah, I don't like pathless files either. Actually it has to be a VERY VERY needed item (or something WAYYY cool) before I install it and not just delete it with a sigh. BUT I don't publicaly call those people idiots.

Well, pathless files are not a symptom of idiocy, so one wouldn't.