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Subject: A couple of questions on Terrains & Clouds

bandolin opened this issue on Sep 07, 2004 · 20 posts
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bandolin ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 2:09 PM · edited Sun, 24 November 2024 at 10:34 AM

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1) How do you create a terrain without the square base? I'm trying to make a floating Island, and I don't want it to be a symmetrical lattice. 2) How do you create realistic high altitude scenes? I'm trying to create a world inside a gas giant, whereby you can't see the ground below, only clouds. Clouds above and billowy clouds all around. I created the above scene with a symmetrical lattice. It looks too uniform, top and bottom. Not natural at all (yeah, OK, I know a floating Island is not natural, hold the sarcasm). Secondlly, I removed the ground plain and replaced it with a cloud plane. But, it looks like its over and ocean. The centre of my world is a hazy orange. Finally, as you can see there are now billowy clouds. I'd love to add some for drama and scale. Novice Brycer eagerly awaiting advice from my masters. :-) 


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Kemal ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 2:30 PM

Hmmmmm, i do not think you can create any other terrain than a square based, cuz that is how is defined, on the square grid ! :) You can apply transparency map to it to and loose the square shape on the bottom... Latices are simetrical in nature, so U cannot loose that part, but U can edit it in terrain editor and randomize it more ! :) Volumetric slabs are more convincing if you want more realistic clouds but their render time is much more demanding... Hope this helped some ! :)

pogmahone ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 2:46 PM

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You can use the clipping bracket to cut off the edges of a terrain. See the attached image. Click on the little icons up top of the terrain editor, and you'll get the clipping bracket, and be able to change the terrain to Solid. Click where the arrow shows, not out on the thin lines. drag up until the red swallows up the area that you don't want.

bandolin ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 2:52 PM

Excellent, excellent (he says wringing his hands), the world is within my grasp! (maniacal laughter...) Any ideas on my second query? (he asks humbly).


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pogmahone ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 2:55 PM

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Another thing you could try is to make your top terrain positive, then create another terrain (or duplicate the first one) and mess with the shape a bit - flatten it down on the Y axis, stretch it etc., and place a different material on it. Then make it negative, move it up to cover part of the top terrain, and group them. You make objects positive or negative by selecting the object, then clicking on the A beside the object to open the Attributes tab.

foleypro ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 3:02 PM

The Billowy clouds you can make from Volumetric Clouds or Many Sphere's with the Volumetric Cloud Textures Applied...I use My own Clouds I have for sale here and I Put them as a Backdrop/2D Square and Render that way...There is a Thunderhead Cloud Formation in the Freebie area under Bryce here on Renderosity...

pogmahone ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 3:05 PM

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hOkay....why not put another ground plane underneath the first one, and put the material you want on that? Not a great colour in the attached image, just a quick render, you'd need to experiment a bit to get the right effect.

bandolin ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 3:10 PM

I am weeping with delight. Thank you. Soon, soon...


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guslaw ( ) posted Tue, 07 September 2004 at 6:55 PM

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Here's my attempt at a very similar idea about four years ago. I did basically what pogmahone suggested to you. Two terrains, one turned upside down (turn 180 degrees on the x or z axis) and added lots of spikes in the lower terrain and lots of streching and squeezing until I got proportions I liked. I cheated by placing a disk between the two terrains to avoid the problem of matching the two profiles and blending the different material along the seam. One other thing. I placed the camera inside a glass sphere to get the flat ground plane to curve along the horizon line. There was a tutorial on this but I forget where and by who - it was four years ago and memory is the second thing to go... (Don't laught guys, everyone did bubble and glass sphere pictures when they first got Bryce)

shadowdragonlord ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 1:24 AM

(cackles at Guslaw!) Yours turned out much better than mine, my friend...!

pogmahone ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 1:42 AM

oooohhhhhh....guslaw! The dripping lower terrain is a great idea. And placing the camera in a glass sphere. That looks really great!!

wildman2 ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 2:28 AM

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looking at making somthing like this?

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pogmahone ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 3:02 AM

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Intersect is quite good fun to play with as well (you make one terrain positive, set the other to Intersect) Would you believe that I'm meant to be getting ready to travel to UK for a week - I've to leave for the boat in an hour, and need to pack, have my breakfast, and walk the dog before that :o(( Instead I'm playing with Bryce

bandolin ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 7:28 AM

All wonderful suggestions. My brain is steaming as is my CPU. UK by boat? That would take my 3 weeks from where I live ;-)


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TheBryster ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 8:26 AM
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Attached Link: http://uk.geocities.com/bryster3d

Guslaw: Really fine work! Bandolin: You have to do one of these. It's a Right of Passage kinda thang! I did one myself and have 3 other versions by others peps on my site.

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bandolin ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 10:56 AM

One of what? A website? Are you talking about a specific image on this site? Sorry I'm confused.


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bandolin ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 11:08 AM

Ok, hold on. I saw an image in your Gallery Bryster; the Sky Cities one. Is that what your're talking about. Because that's what I'm in the process of doing. However, mine is more medieval in nature. I've been to Whales. Love the castles. Crossed over at the Severn? crossing (hope I got the name right). At the time they were charging 10 (Ouch!). Got lost on some road through sheep country with a bunch of dams. Saw one person only, and he looked at us as if he'd never seen a car before. Stayed at a B&B near Harlech castle. They had the most spectacular view of the Ocean. Loved to go back with the whole family.


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TheBryster ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 11:57 AM
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If you scroll down the Cities in the Sky Page you'll see other 3 versions...... We love charging people to come in to our beautiful country....LOL. and that's W.A.L.E.S. ;-)

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diolma ( ) posted Wed, 08 September 2004 at 4:12 PM

Wales. Now that gives me an idea for the "mystery" challenge: that ruined abbey, not all that far from the Severn Bridge. Not "Tintagel" (that's in Cornwall), Tintern?? (need correct name to do google search). Been there a couple of times, years ago, the place is not only mysterious, it's kind of creepy too. Dunno if I'll have time to do it tho:-(( Cheers, Diolma


VividViolet ( ) posted Thu, 09 September 2004 at 12:18 AM

You guys are wild - but some really good suggestions. Makes me want to try them out. ;o)

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