Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?Hot=Yes&Sectionid=2

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ok, i just looked at the hot20. i still don't care. sorry.

xenic101
[and what about the other 18 pictures. not a nakkid vickie in sight, come on people. daz is giving away v3 now. v3-free, ds-free, you already have bryce. when is this place going to turn into the cg smut palace i was promised when daz bought bryce.]

Message edited on: 01/09/2005 23:14

Stop beating that dead horse.

xenic, not many do care, thats part of the problem.

LOL...I'll stop beating the dead horse once it is truly dead.

oddly enough, i go thru the gallery nightly, and vote for every picture i like. i just never check the hot20.

as i step out into the bitter winter air to fill my lungs with the healing essence of tobacco and clove, here's a link to the only picture of mine to reach the hot20 my lady,

xenic101
[in an odd mood tonite.]

Message edited on: 01/09/2005 23:31

I am forced to agree with you doug. I am thrilled every time I make it to the Hot 20, but every time I have to remind myself that it doesn't really matter. Obviously not, as R'osity appears to have no intentions of fixing the system, if indeed it even can be fixed.

I've had stuff in the hot20, but never in first or second place(highest was 10th), since this stuff made it, I don't consider the hot20 anything but a cronies voting club, if I had that many friends I'd have been in the hot20 first or second place too!;]

I CARE!!Beat the living daylights out of that dead horse!!! Someday I hope to be able to make it into the H20. I make images that take me months to construct and cannot crack the H20. When somebody makes it with an image that can be constructed inside of 20 minutes, it kills my dream of H20 aspirations. IS THE HOT 20 A BAD JOKE LAUGHING IN THE FACE OF EVERY SERIOUS RENDEROSITY BRYCE ARTIST?

Message edited on: 01/10/2005 01:05

doug i'm sorry but i don't agree with you. Firstly after seeing some of the work done by jocko500 that image of his is well done and i believe he is starting to expand in his art work.
Secondly the one by Woodhurst is well done and for someone that hasn't posted an image for 2 months it goes to show that taking your time can turn out some great art.

If anything i will say they both deserve to be in the top 20 along with 15 others in there. Time for me to work on something totally radical.

Message edited on: 01/10/2005 01:17

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=695087&Start=1&Artist=jo3l&ByArtist=Yes&Form.sess_id

Yeah, screw the Hot 20. As many of you know, I'm an ancient dragon Highlord trapped in a human body. And I know, I know, most people don't think dragons exist. But tell me that to my FACE?!?! And then watch me CRY!!!! And then we'll see who really exists. It's black and white to me, cut and dry. Hot 20 = Not hot. At all. Dragon's Firey Breath = really, really hot. Hot enough to melt steel and turn bones to ash. So, while those pansies are busy voting away and getting me banned again, I'm just gonna keep working on my scenes and making REALLY hot dragon images whenever possible. Fire totally rules, too bad some people don't know what "HOT" really means. Then again, maybe it's good they don't know? 'Cause burns really hurt!

Goes back to a previous thread asking "What is art". If painted black canvas's or piles of trash bags or dead sheep can be accepted as art, then I guess anything goes. I don't call it art, but some do. I will not lower my own personal standards just to get another H20 entry! New years resolution number 1. I visit the gallery almost every day, and vote for those I feel do deserve it. This is the only way to deal with the problem. If enough people do it, then we should be able to take the hot 20 back!

I tend to totaly agree with Chohole (and AS for that matter), CrazyDawg and beating the dead horse concept ! :P Point is, and I'm totaly honest when I say this: I DO vote for any image which seams to has certan amount of quality in it (==I like it) and it seams that it took time and effort to be constructed !!! :D Meny times, sleepy, lazy, too tired or whatever reason is, I did not make the comment, but I DID vote for it, it is a minimal amount of appreciation I can show for an image ! :D Not that I'm complaining, but, people, if you like somene's work, please VOTE and leave comment if possible, so many are not beeing recognized enough in this community becouse of lack of it. :( Thats the ONLY way to have H20 the way it was intended to be. We need H20 too, that is the only way besides of AOM and AOY that someone is hot-spoted in this community... My 2 cents :D

To be honest Doug, most of Jocko's work leaves me cold, but there is something about 'born or hatched' that I really like and I voted for it, that's my belief on the way hot 20 should work I see work I like, I vote, if everyone is doing that then the hot 20 should actually be displaying the current hot works, the only reason for the hot 20 to not show the popular view at any time is if people can't be bothered to vote. In my opinion, the best work in there at the moment is Annod but it's only showing as number 2.

'oddly enough, i go thru the gallery nightly, and vote for every picture i like.'

I think that's one of the problems... IMHO, I don't think people should hit the vote button just because they like a picture... I've seen lot's of images I LIKE, but I don't think that they belong in the hot 20... I only vote for the ones that I think are truly outstanding in some way... the best of the best like the list was meant to represent.

Edited for P.S.... and this must be an emotional topic... the dragon lord didn't start with 'Aye' this time... ;o)

Message edited on: 01/10/2005 08:55

Do you really want people who actually went back for a second season of Paris Hilton to vote on weather you are talented? Or do you just want to do the best you can do?

"...the only reason for the hot 20 to not show the popular view at any time is if people can't be bothered to vote..." Yeah, or if someone renders a shiny sphere floating over water, then gets everyone he knows to vote for it, or even worse, creates a dozen dummy accounts and votes himself in. I have nothing against surrealism and abstract art, but come on! It is blatantly obvious to anyone with any knowledge that some work is more Hot20 worthy than others. Yes, many artists at Renderosity have shown a marked improvement in their skill. However, including mediocre works in the Hot20, the supposed showcase for the best of the best, cheapens the whole idea.

Wasn`t there a film called Groundhog Day when the same old things kept happening. I get that feeling when I come on here, now.

Wasn`t there a film called Groundhog Day when the same old things kept happening. I get that feeling when I come on here now.

Deja Vue ;)

I think there was a similar one called 'Fifty First Threads'...

Deja Vue LOL...but well said, Jay, in post #18. I see that the #1 pic in the H20 now has 27 votes, a lot more than last night. I betcha it's because of this thread. Can you say ABUSE?

Ha! Can you say IDIOTS?

I feel like I have no right to complain because I haven't voted in a long while, that would just be hypocritical. Anyway, I won't complain about it anymore. I try not to look at H20 anymore. That's it, I'm not gonna give myself a heart attack over H20. If it stays, goes or gets fixed, it really won't affect me.

Well-put, Alvin. 'Nuff said.

Ah Ha! I've solved the problem! What is the Hot20? Googleing "define hot" gives 47 definitions. Here are the ones that could be construed as applying here.

You'll notice only one of them refers to skill.

characterized by violent and forceful activity or movement; very intense; "the fighting became hot and heavy"; "a hot engagement"; "a raging battle"; "the river became a raging torrent" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

extended meanings; especially of psychological heat; marked by intensity or vehemence especially of passion or enthusiasm; "a hot temper"; "a hot topic"; "a hot new book"; "a hot love affair"; "a hot argument" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

(color) bold and intense; "hot pink" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

sexually excited or exciting; "was hot for her"; "hot pants" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

recently stolen or smuggled; "hot merchandise"; "a hot car" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

performed or performing with unusually great skill and daring and energy; "a hot drummer"; "he's hot tonight" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

very popular or successful; "one of the hot young talents"; "cabbage patch dolls were hot last season" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

newest or most recent; "news hot off the press"; "red-hot information" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

very good; often used in the negative; "he's hot at math but not so hot at history" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

newly made; "a hot scent" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

having or showing great eagerness or enthusiasm; "hot for travel" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

marked by excited activity; "a hot week on the stock market" ;www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

connected, alive, energized. ;www.hach.com/cs/csglosy.htm

I'll continue voting for the pictures that I like (not as many as you might think). If enough people do the same then the 20 pictures most liked will float to the top. By only voting for the pictures you feel 'deserve' to be in the Hot20, you are allowing space for 'average', 'bizarre but fanatically followed', and worse pictures.

And here's a couple other Hot20 threads. The first should be required reading.
I just (Hot 20) voted on forty different pictures... by AgentSmith on 8/7/04
My good friends, I have failed you. by GROINGRINDER on 12/7/04
Is this art? by RobertJ on 12/6/04
The tolerance border is crossed really! [Locked] by Wahnfried1959 on 12/5/04
Please!!!!! [Locked] by striving on 11/30/04
The "Hot 20" - What it is - and what it is not... by LillianH on 11/10/04

Truthfully, I really like his "Trick Rider on a Ghost Horse" - however I'm not crazy about his "Born or Hatched" one. Anyways...that's my opinion. :)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=855068&Start=1&Artist=grind&ByArtist=Yes

Thanks for the link grind. :)

Aye, I often cross-post at 3DCommune. They are pretty cool over there, although the Renderosity site is much more powerful and easy to use... But there are some people there who just don't come here, for whatever reason. I like talking to them.

well thank you all. I think it was you dougocd that told me to darked my pictures and not use so bright of colors. Thank you if it was you. It worked in this image you all talking about. and xenic101 you missed Dr. Jocko500 tread I thought it was good lol and draculaz posted this draculaz - decent work, the first place on the hot20 should definetely give you the impulse to better yourself :) nother wrong with that I like drac work and i know the person knows a lot more than me as most of you know more than me in Bryce. you all think I not learning and just cookie cutting. I learning a lot each time I get into bryce. It may not be fast I got a life to live and I into a lot of things too. Think back when you was in school. Your teacher teach you your mom and dad was teaching you. but if you did not want to learn no matter what they did you would not learn. At times you try real hard to get real good grades but you[I] would not get the grades. Then you learn on your own. I ask some one how to make snow but no help. I found out my self and made the snowman for New Years that one render for about 2 hours of render because of the diff color lights I put into it. I sent about 2 hours putting it together too. so it was 4 hours Yes it took 20 mintures to render "trick rider on ghost horse" but it took me 3 hours to put it together as you see it. I just like to thank every one. And do not jump to the ideal I not learning I just a little slow and what I learn I take out of the box and see what else I can do with it. I got nothing again any one. I learn as I go. Sorry I not fast learner and my art is not for evey one I know that. Have a good day and remember life is too short to get upset over something you say you donot care about like the hot20. Just do your best. That all I can do. and also be freindly and smile , some one may smile back.

Jocko, you will be fine, as a Bryce artist, with much practice and dedication. It's not your artwork which is under fire. There are many beginners in the Bryce galleries. Bryce is a beginner 3D application, period. There are no cheaper applications that do what Bryce can do. It's the fake friends that you have voting for you that bothers me. And your arrogance. I honestly believe you belong in the Beginner Gallery, but that's your decision. I don't dislike your artwork, it's just not a good showcase of what Bryce can do, at all. Not even remotely. Before anyone says, "That's YOUR opinion, LSD!", I will state, again : Of course it's my opinion. I wrote it. It matters not wether it's fact or opinion. It's been stated.

I know you all seen my galery and know I post in many areas of renderosity. I guess the people there saw my work and added me to they favorite list. That what I like many diff things many differ intest. Try it you may like it. I know it chao doing things like that way but that me. Plus I post where I like and if the mod say this is the wrong place then I will keep on posting. I know I arrogance and happy to be one but I try to help people and do my best to do things but my art is what it is at the time and is every changeing. if you look in the bryce gallery you see many new ones every day and you can not stop them.

plus you miss the whole point of this site Renderosity. It not a showcase of what Bryce can do. It a place where people can post and have fun and look at other people art. These people not makeing a dime on they work here [most of them] they here to just have fun like a bar-b-q. If you wish a showcase of what Bryce can do there other sites to go to that have pros doing it [ a pro is some one makeing money on they work] I think you just miss the point of this site or it me that have missed it

I make 50% of my income using Bryce and Photoshop, Jocko. It's not the artwork I'm analyzing, it's your ridiculous methods. The Hot 20 IS a showcase of Brycean artwork. And you fill it with beginner works, either by logging in and voting over and over under different names, or by convincing your friends to do so. I don't care if you stop or not, do what you like. I think your Bryce stuff is mostly garbage, but you ARE improving, which is what's important. I've already been banned once because of you, and I'm not going to stop speaking my mind now. I WANT you to post your artwork. Makes MY garbage look that much better. Perhaps I will one day be promoted to "trash"!?!?

I did not ban you. You ban youself with your temper. You need to learn to calm down and enjoy life. Read the Bible it may help you; it do with me.

Like I said, I didn't intend to offend you, Jocko. I just think the Hot20 system itself is flawed. It needs to be revised or gotten rid of.

you did not offend me I know many people in other area in rend. thinks the same. The only ones that do not say any thing or I just missed it is the 2d forum. and if it do get started there the mods will stop it and delete the tread if it form bad blood and made the forum bad looking.

Read the bible?

I was not going to re-enter this thread, but have to agree with LSD's last comment. That is not to say I did or didn't agree with any of the rest, but that one comment of yours Jocko "Read the bible" Come on man you are old enough to realise just how many people you can offend offering that as a solution. Buddhism, Sikism, Hinduism, Judaism, Shinto, Jainism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, Wiccan, Paganism etc, etc. None of these would be amused by that statement. The bible means something to less than a quarter of the world's population.

I think politics, religion and the H20 should all be banned from discussion! I know I'm in the minority here but I am so sick and tired of these threads. Sick of the whining, sick, sick, sick of it.

Sorry, Ang, but the H20 is a problem. You can call it whining if you want. I call it addressing an issue that won't go away until it's fixed.

I was going to stay out and I pretty much will since we've covered this all before. But just a quick suggestion... can't the PTB put some code in that only counts 1 vote per IP? It may not guard against those people with dynamic IP's, but might help a lot to avoid clone voting.

Sorry Doug, I have no problem with people saying that its a problem. My gripe is people always get singled out. Why if its such a problem doesn't someone start a partition like the save Bryce one and go that route. I'd gladly add my name to that. I just get sick of people telling other people their work isn't 'good' enough. That turns my stomach and is what offends me. I think that if we want the hot 20 to be for real then it should be like Bryce select gallery was, a group of anonomous judges picks from submitted works. Anything other than that I can't see working. My 2 cents.

I think that is an excellent idea, Ang.

I think the best solution is to get rid of it, but I do like the "Select Gallery" idea and the "one vote for ISP" idea as well.

I understand your thinking Ang, it would have to be a very diverse group of people, otherwise we're back to the few deciding what's good art. Currently (ideally) it's an opinion of our peers. I'm afraid I agree with doug, scrap it. Or at least give the option for your art not to be votable. Then the Hot20 doesn't have to mean anything if you don't want it to. Theycould even go one step further and make all Hot20 options turn off-able. Then for people who don't like it, it will be as if it doesn't exist.

Aye, Drawbridgep, I called for such an action just before being reincarnated as Lordstormdragon... Tread carefully.