but, it needs to have seperate eyes and and insides of a mouth.

and im trying to keep it under 7k poly.

thanks
~FoaS Edit: I'll take either male or female, but if there is both, so much the better.

Message edited on: 05/15/2005 18:09

The P5 nude woman's head and eyes are 8776 polys, and I'm sure you could replace her eyes with some low res balls instead. (Her eyes are 980 polys each.) Without her eyes, the head is 6816 polys.

Oh, see, i dont mean just the head - i mean under about 7k for the whole body. thanks though.

You're talkin game models then. I've never seen a poser character that low. And you'll probably not find anything with a modeled mouth and teeth for that low res a model. Why do you need it so low poly? There might be another solution...

Attached Link: http://home.clara.net/geralday/newsite/choice.htm

Attached Link: PhilC Low res figures

None of PhilC's low poly models have mouths or teeth.

I think minus her clothes, Jane V2 is less than 5,000 polygons. A beauty she's not but she's only meant to be rendered small or perhaps as a background figure. Since you want the eyes and mouth features I assume you want to do a closeup of the face which is not going to look good.

A possible Idea is to take Posette, get her posed the way you want and then export a .wrl (VMRL) file from Poser. Get a copy of Vizup (a polygon reducer) and reduce her to the level you need. Then you'll need a .wrl to .obj program to get her back into Poser if that's your ultimate destination. No guarantees on how she'll look of course. There's a thread here somewhere--search for Vizup and you should find it.

Maybe you can find a relatively lo res head solution and graft the head onto something like the P4 Lo body. I don't know of other ways to possibly get a decent looking head that small and a body as well.

Message edited on: 05/15/2005 22:52

Attached Link: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=226633

Probably no separate eyes and mouth in these figures, though.

Those are indeed amazing. Isn't that appearance going to be dependent on the render engine though? I can't imagine 600 polygons looking that good in say Poser 4.

<< I can't imagine 600 polygons looking that good in say Poser 4. >>

Agreed; but P5/P6 with a skinshader script might get close.

I was thinking more in terms of the subdivision (micro-poly displacement or whatever Firefly calls it), but certainly the shaders would contribute a lot as well. If you've got PRMan and the horsepower to drive it, you can probably make Jane look like V3--or in the ballpark anyway :-)

thanks for all the replies guys. I plan on using the model in 3d Max - its just that 3dMax people tend to be less help in ways of things like this - they tend to be like "if you didnt make it yourself, your utter crap" and thus dont share models. The reason why i want such a low-poly figure is because it will be easier to rig it up and then let the program turbosmooth it as it renders. Plus it will be faster on things like Skinwrap - 3dMax's answer to Poser's conforming clothes. The reason why i'm asking for help, is simple because i cant model on my own - i suck at it. I can kitbash like somethin else, though. so clothing based of the models will be a non-issue. Thanks ~a grateful FoaS

Attached Link: http://home.att.net/~pmorris57/

uhhh...its a blank page on that link...

Hi, A while back I had the P2 figures remapped and with very simple eye and teeth props (teeth were half a cylynder with texture). I they looked pretty okay. I did up a dozen or so expression morphs with magnets. I tried remapping the Poser 4 Lo people as well and they looked nice though I could not get the mouth open... probly could have with more effort. Don't know what the poly counts were.

3ds max can handle WAY more then just a 7,000 poly character. I still don't understand why one this low res a character is needed for Max at all. Maybe if you were going to use 100 of them in a scene somewhere, but then you wouldn't need mouth interior or possibly even teeth. Lightwave will start choking here when I have over 200,000 polys in modeler, but layout still does fine with that count.

it's a stylization thing. Plus, its not the software thats limited - its my computer Im running a p3 at 800MHz, 256MB Ram, and an onboard vid-card with 32 megs of memory - i gotta make do with what i got, lol.

Ah, OK THAT makes sense now. LOL! But wouldn't the cost of max have been like getting a PC like 50 times more powerful?

I have the student edition through my school, along with photoshop. :-D

Some people have all the luck... LOL!

-=sh*t-eatin grin=-

Message edited on: 05/16/2005 23:10

Sorry, Furyofaseraph. Should have checked the link. The item is/was by pmorris aka "Joat Mon." I checked around a little and can't find any other link. At any rate, the .obj seems small enough but doesn't appear to have the features you need. Have you looked at GMax? I've never used it, but it's the free version of Max designed for making game characters. It has a proprietray format but I've read that you can convert it to .obj using some other utilities. I don't know if the program is any easier on resources than Max but I would imagine it is. You might be able to retain your Max skills and still have a lighter setup.

While Gmax is great for game modelling, it doesnt have any rendering capabilities. :-/

Well darn. Sounds like you'd be better off with something like Anim8or or ArtOfIllusion (which claims some impressive rendering abilities), but that would negate the advantage of having Max. Being unable to upgrade hardware myself, I feel your pain.

lol, thanks. I appreciate your sympathy. So, methinks im better off modelling a humanoid figure on my own - bah, i needed to learn anyways - Ive been looking up tutorials like mad, and all of them say "Make it look human" and none of them say "well, in order to make it look like a human, the shoulder has go to look like this, and here are a few ways to do this." Anyone know of any tutorials that do this?

It's just a matter of looking at reference material, and duplicating it. Buy a mirror, and google human anatomy, and don't worry if your first model comes out like crap.. it may take you 3 or 4 attempts to get a figure you are really happy with. And with each model, you won't duplicate previous mistakes. Like anything else, it just takes time, and practice.

Attached Link: http://67.15.36.49/ffa/tutorials/max/joanofarc/joanmenu.asp

As you've got access to Max, you might want to give this link a try.

I don't have Max, and I don't know how low-poly the model comes out - but general opinion seems to be that it's the best tutorial of its kind around.

And you'll probably not find anything with a modeled mouth and teeth for that low res a model. Half-Life 2, maybe. G-Man and Alyx looked fairly impressive. So did Eli, for that matter, and most of the other major cast members.

i tried looking into HL2, but not having the game kinda puts a dampener on that. Plus, it seems that game models (ive looked into quake, Elite Forces, Jedi Knight) dont make a good template - they arent "blank" people, so to speak.

You might contact Geralday. He uses Anim8tor but he might have some general tips on low-poly modeling a figure. Also, I know he does requests. If you're not keen on tackling it yourself, he might do something for you very inexpensively. I saw the same tute Steerpike gave but I could only find the French version. It looks about as simple as you're going to get. Of course, I'd have problems getting the initial cube so youe mileage may vary :-)